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Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.02.28 14:30:00 -
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Lately I've been switching back and forth between fittings using GEK-38 and my trusty Exile, trying to decide if/when an upgrade would be worth the sacrifices in CPU (and ISK)... only, I can't even tell if there *is* a difference. I'm sure there's some benefits (the numbers for accuracy, damage and range are all higher) but are they really that insignificant, or do I just need to do more testing?
So, those of you using GEK (or Duvolle for that matter) -- how can you tell it's better? That is, what is the noticeable difference? Or do you just use them 'cause you have the ISK and the numbers say they're better? ;) |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
446
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Posted - 2013.02.28 14:37:00 -
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I have found no difference in DPS worth the extra CPU/PG cost.
Stick to the trusty Exile. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
450
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Posted - 2013.02.28 14:40:00 -
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I feel a distinct difference between the three. I can live with all of them but I do prefer the higher tier weapons.
I think its first and foremost a case of accuracy. Going into CQC I don't really see any difference, I can however see a difference when shooting at longer ranges. The increase in damage is only noticeable when taking down a fatsuit.
I would use a higher tier weapon only if I didn't have to sacrifice something else vital from my loadouts such as nades or nanohive. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
905
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:14:00 -
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1 GEK + 2 dmg mods = 32.5 dmg + (0.2x32.5) = 39 dmg
39 dmg x 750 rpm / 60 seconds = 487.5 dmg/sec
39 dmg x 60 rds/mag = 2340 dmg/mag
So, still wanna whine about heavies being OP, when you can easily kill 2 with one magazine, NOT including the bonuses given from all of the skillbooks, as well as the headshot multiplier. |
Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:22:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:So, still wanna whine about heavies being OP, when you can easily kill 2 with one magazine, NOT including the bonuses given from all of the skillbooks, as well as the headshot multiplier.
This is not a discussion about heavies (or HMGs, the SP cap, lack of patches/dev blogs or whatever). We don't need a flame fest in *every* thread. Please stick to the topic. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
905
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:23:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:So, still wanna whine about heavies being OP, when you can easily kill 2 with one magazine, NOT including the bonuses given from all of the skillbooks, as well as the headshot multiplier. This is not a discussion about heavies (or HMGs, the SP cap, lack of patches/dev blogs or whatever). We don't need a flame fest in *every* thread. Please stick to the topic.
Scrub, look again. I'm discussing how powerful the GEK is. |
Jump Up
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:24:00 -
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is it just me, or does the gek have more recoil than the ar? |
Clark Hendrix
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:27:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:1 GEK + 2 dmg mods = 32.5 dmg + (0.2x32.5) = 39 dmg
39 dmg x 750 rpm / 60 seconds = 487.5 dmg/sec
39 dmg x 60 rds/mag = 2340 dmg/mag
So, still wanna whine about heavies being OP, when you can easily kill 2 with one magazine, NOT including the bonuses given from all of the skillbooks, as well as the headshot multiplier.
It would help if you did the same math for the Exile so we can see the difference. |
Sigberct Amni
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
17
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:27:00 -
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I just upgraded from using an exile plus two complex damage mods to a gek plus two complexes.
The difference to me was night and day. Yes, I have to be a bit more accurate at medium to long range, but this is a fair trade imo. It felt like I was chopping trees with a butter knife while using the exile. The gek feels like a lightsaber. |
Invading Oren
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:31:00 -
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Jump Up wrote:is it just me, or does the gek have more recoil than the ar?
Higher tier weapons have more recoil.
To OP.Stick with the exile until you unlock better suits with more CPU and PG,then use the GEK or duvolle since the passive and active damage % increase make a huge difference when fighting heavies or enemies with more shield ,armor etc. |
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Cody Sietz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:35:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:1 GEK + 2 dmg mods = 32.5 dmg + (0.2x32.5) = 39 dmg
39 dmg x 750 rpm / 60 seconds = 487.5 dmg/sec
39 dmg x 60 rds/mag = 2340 dmg/mag
So, still wanna whine about heavies being OP, when you can easily kill 2 with one magazine, NOT including the bonuses given from all of the skillbooks, as well as the headshot multiplier.
And how easy is it to fit those onto a advance suit WITHOUT making sacrifices? |
Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:10:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Scrub, look again.
Random insults don't really contribute anything either, nor do they make you right. Do you really need an exhaustive list of what not to post?
Paran Tadec wrote:I'm discussing how powerful the GEK is.
No you weren't. You did some basic math and said "look at the damage!" and "heavies aren't OP". I know what the numbers are.
This is getting a bit off topic though; noticeable difference? Subjective experiences, that's where we should be. |
Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:14:00 -
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Oh, and thanks for the replies. ;) |
Fargen Icehole
SyNergy Gaming
67
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:50:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Scrub, look again. Random insults don't really contribute anything either, nor do they make you right. Do you really need an exhaustive list of what not to post? Paran Tadec wrote:I'm discussing how powerful the GEK is. No you weren't. You did some basic math and said "look at the damage!" and "heavies aren't OP". I know what the numbers are. This is getting a bit off topic though; noticeable difference? Subjective experiences, that's where we should be.
Dont sweat it marc... He's a mediocre player who tries to make himself feel better by trying to put others down.
To answer your ques, yes there is a noticeable difference....but its in the combo of extra damage AND increased accuracy.
TBH, the militia/std/exile should be dropped back down to 30dmg though.
PS. Paran: I'll pay you 50mil isk if you can drop me twice w/ a gek, w/o reloading. (I'm a heavy) |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
907
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:54:00 -
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Fargen Icehole wrote:Marc Rime wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Scrub, look again. Random insults don't really contribute anything either, nor do they make you right. Do you really need an exhaustive list of what not to post? Paran Tadec wrote:I'm discussing how powerful the GEK is. No you weren't. You did some basic math and said "look at the damage!" and "heavies aren't OP". I know what the numbers are. This is getting a bit off topic though; noticeable difference? Subjective experiences, that's where we should be. Dont sweat it marc... He's a mediocre player who tries to make himself feel better by trying to put others down. To answer your ques, yes there is a noticeable difference....but its in the combo of extra damage AND increased accuracy. TBH, the militia/std/exile should be dropped back down to 30dmg though. PS. Paran: I'll pay you 50mil isk if you can drop me twice w/ a gek, w/o reloading. (I'm a heavy)
Grow up. I was simply stating what the GEK is capable of. I run heavy as well, and I've seen people do it.
Also, you think 50 mil is big money? LOL. I would be happy to stomp on you. |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
134
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:59:00 -
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Don't worry about it so much.
The math is subject to CCp's interpretation of the rounding of numbers process.
Use whatever weapons feel right to you, try them out and give them a whirl.
Exile is 31 / 750 / 56 / 60
GEK is 32.5 / 750 / 56.6 / 60
Duvuolle is 34.1 / 750 / 57 / 60
So right off the bat add some things, weaponry skill +2% per level (10%max)
AR Prof skill adds 3% per level (15%max)
Also don't forget the Stacking penalty which is a little funky right now as it says it is doing 1.21 damage, but that 80% of the second damage mod should be effective. So on a complex that should mean 3.1 for an exile for the 1st and then 2.43 for the second but based on the information on screen it is more.....
Then there is the unknown element, what does AR operation actually effect, does it effect the accuracy? or does it do something like 60Round clip * (times) 56% ='s 33.6 bullets hitting out of the 60, then add in the 5% reduction to kick and dispersion at 1.68 per level for a max of 42.
So at base level with no other skills but AR Operation the exile would maybe have something like 31 * 33.6 ='s 1041.6 potential damage per clip.
with AR op level 5 maybe something like 31 * 42 ='s 1302
the GEK has like 1103.7 using the same formula for the base.
The Duv is only 34.2 * 34.1 = 1166.22 |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
492
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Posted - 2013.02.28 17:42:00 -
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Try this. |
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