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Morak Bel
Ragin' Raders
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Posted - 2013.02.27 08:22:00 -
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These are EXTREMELY op!!! When it can take out a heavy in 2 shots? Come on man!!! I would think a laser rifle or any rifle for that matter would do more damage strictly because of ballistics. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.27 08:31:00 -
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Morak Bel wrote:These are EXTREMELY op!!! When it can take out a heavy in 2 shots? Come on man!!! I would think a laser rifle or any rifle for that matter would do more damage strictly because of ballistics.
If they can take out a heavy in 2 shots then they're ok. Heavies are extremely hard to kill by ARs or SMGs in CQC, so shotguns are doing their work. I prefer shotguns ruling CQC than a heavy HMG, it makes sense imo. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.27 08:33:00 -
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Morak Bel wrote:These are EXTREMELY op!!! When it can take out a heavy in 2 shots? Come on man!!! I would think a laser rifle or any rifle for that matter would do more damage strictly because of ballistics.
Don't blame the shotgun, blame the guy who wasn't paying attention to his surroundings. |
Tiluvo
Digital Mercs
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:29:00 -
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If the heavy lets you get him with a shotgun, congrats.  Just hope no one else heard the shot, or you're going to need a new suit soon. And they will hear it, I swear I've heard shotguns from across the map. |
Panther Alpha
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:29:00 -
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Been there.. tried that. Every time you say anything about the Shotguns or HMG's, you get troll, insulted, and dismiss all together like a noob.
Welcome to the "Club of the Few".  |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:33:00 -
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They're great at close range, but they suck at all other ranges. They aren't OP, just kill them before they get in range, pay better attention to your surroundings. |
Galen Gaia
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:09:00 -
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Shotguns have the disadvantages being very short range and of not being able to have a powerful longrange weapon, because it is short range but goes in a long range Light Infantry slot instead of a Sidearm slot.
I have one Light Infantry slot and one Sidearm slot. So if I choose shotgun I do not get a full size long range weapon. |
Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:52:00 -
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I agree, since it's not just close range their good at a distance the 2 shot becomes 3 shot, coupled that with scout suit speed plus dmg mods you got OP, They should be pump action to slow the rate of fire. |
Galen Gaia
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:32:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:I agree, since it's not just close range their good at a distance the 2 shot becomes 3 shot, coupled that with scout suit speed plus dmg mods you got OP, They should be pump action to slow the rate of fire.
They are not good at a distance. They cant do any damage beyond 1/10th that of other weapons that fit in that slot. So,there is no number of shots that will do any damage at long range. If you use a shotgun, you cant use a long range weapon, so you can't do anything if someone is shooting you long range but try to get away. Do you understand that? If a shotgunner encounters an enemy at a distance in the open they are screwed because they can't hit them at all.
And they are not automatic. You can't hold down the button to fire repeatedly. |
calisk galern
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:51:00 -
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actually it usually takes 3 shots to kill a heavy, I can only 2 shot them with a proto shotty or an advanced one with damage mods.
if they are specced out heavies even that won't be a 2 shot.
regardless if it takes 3 shots, they will usually kill me with the hmg because the time it takes them to kill me at three times my shotties range is about 1/4 of the time it takes me to fire 3 shots, and they barely have to aim..
shotties are an assassination weapon, if you get killed by it you were most likely ambushed and never saw them coming.
learn to be more aware.
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:22:00 -
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It isn't always easy to even get those two shots in when you're a Scout who goes down to a single burst of the instantly firing HMG. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:44:00 -
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Maybe don't let scouts creep up your behind?
Seriously, these nerf threads drive me crazy. Shotgun scouts are a heavy's greatest threat, and their advantages at CQC cripple their ability to tank damage; watch out for them when youre steamrolling everything else... |
Ken Greene II
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:55:00 -
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I don't like shotguns in general, I think is a pansy ass weapon for players who can't do **** with a rifle or anything else for that matter. But, there an easy kill at medium/far rang the reason they have such high damge/spread is because you have to get close if you want to kill a guy.
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Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:54:00 -
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Ken Greene II wrote:I don't like shotguns in general, I think is a pansy ass weapon for players who can't do **** with a rifle or anything else for that matter. But, there an easy kill at medium/far rang the reason they have such high damge/spread is because you have to get close if you want to kill a guy.
Have you even tried the shotgun? I can post 20+ games with then but ill die at the slightest sneeze in my scout suit.
I can also post the same numbers with the assault rifle at 4-5x the distance andbwhen useing an assault suit have twice the ehp.
Pansy kitten weapon lol umad.
It takes skill and skills to actively get close and pop anything but snipers and installation gunners.
Yiu should get off what I can only assume is your triple dmg mod stacked gek high horse. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
419
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Posted - 2013.02.27 18:11:00 -
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The only issue I have with the shotgun right now is that the militia variant is stronger than it ought to be.
The rest are fine, really. If you're going to skill into a weapon that's only effective below 20 meters, then it better be able to take people out. |
Ken Greene II
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.27 21:51:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:Ken Greene II wrote:I don't like shotguns in general, I think is a pansy ass weapon for players who can't do **** with a rifle or anything else for that matter. But, there an easy kill at medium/far rang the reason they have such high damge/spread is because you have to get close if you want to kill a guy.
Have you even tried the shotgun? I can post 20+ games with then but ill die at the slightest sneeze in my scout suit. I can also post the same numbers with the assault rifle at 4-5x the distance andbwhen useing an assault suit have twice the ehp. Pansy kitten weapon lol umad. It takes skill and skills to actively get close and pop anything but snipers and installation gunners. Yiu should get off what I can only assume is your triple dmg mod stacked gek high horse.
Don't use Gek and I don't stack damage modules.And not hard too get kills with a shotgun even w/ a scout suit .you just need to know what modules complement the play style of the suit and weapon.I mainly run a logistic with an smg.And I'm more annoyed than mad especially when I get killed by a heavy camping behind wall w/ a shotgun. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2013.02.27 21:57:00 -
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Oh this thread again.
You do realize that the Shotgun has a maximum range of 30m with a <10m optimal?
There's NOT that much to hide behind in this game so I really don't know how they could sneak up on you in the first place. |
Ken Greene II
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:38:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Oh this thread again.
You do realize that the Shotgun has a maximum range of 30m with a <10m optimal?
There's NOT that much to hide behind in this game so I really don't know how they could sneak up on you in the first place.
Sure there is if your fighting in the fort area where "B" is in what appears to be some form of command center. And the area with the sky scraper. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:57:00 -
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have you seen the sheer amount of anti-heavy posts, if the shotgun can kill in two hits then it's doing it's job. Short range weapon should do magnificent damage at point blank range |
Zaitsev Savior
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:44:00 -
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***** please, shotguns are fine.
I run a shotgun scout and i think they are balanced weapons.
it takes me 3 HITS, 3 not 2 to take down a heavy and thats with a level 3 shotty and a damage mod.
Also its more likely your fault you got shotgunned to death. The minute a heavy sees me face to face im dead. unless i have cover, or if i manage to sneak up behind them then its possible to take them down.
Shotgun is meant for CQC, its worth crap at long range. hell someone catches me in an open patch of land without any cover and i'm basically dead on sight. |
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2013.02.28 05:52:00 -
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Ken Greene II wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Oh this thread again.
You do realize that the Shotgun has a maximum range of 30m with a <10m optimal?
There's NOT that much to hide behind in this game so I really don't know how they could sneak up on you in the first place. Sure there is if your fighting in the fort area where "B" is in what appears to be some form of command center. And the area with the sky scraper.
So your issue isn't the Shotgun, it's the terrain that it's being used in.... |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.02.28 06:15:00 -
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Morak Bel wrote:These are EXTREMELY op!!! When it can take out a heavy in 2 shots? Come on man!!! I would think a laser rifle or any rifle for that matter would do more damage strictly because of ballistics.
Removing/Nerfing Shotgun is a buff to the Heavy and the HMG if you think about it... |
RINON114
B.S.A.A.
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:37:00 -
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I have to somewhat agree here that the shotgun can be ridiculous. I have had many occasions where scouts have been directly in my line of sight and I have been unable to take them down with an assault rifle before they get close enough to just blow me away. And before anyone says "well aim better" or anything of the same fashion, take into account that the range of an AR is 50m, the SG is 30m. Oh, and I've skilled into AR sharpshooting, which really means that I should be able to take down someone with a SG at range before they close the 20m gap, unfortunately it does not. |
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