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Drake435 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:02:00 - [1] - Quote First and foremost, the range is TERRIBLE compared to the standard variant. Where I could normally hit enemies with the standard, the breach doesn't reach at all. Damage is absolutely fine though. Mag clip is ok I guess. Perhaps I've been spoiled by the range on the breach.
Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 38	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:05:00 - [2] - Quote It makes no sense for a BREACH weapon to have that low of a ROF.....the range needs to be increased that's for sure
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1907	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:08:00 - [3] - Quote It's because for a long time, the only AR worth touching was the Breach because it was absurdly easy to use, and powerful to boot. Like the swarm launcher, CCP just did a quick hammer swing to the weapon, and will likely build it back up as time goes on. This thread has definitely been passed around like a $2.....yea....so, search is your friend bro.
Drake435 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:08:00 - [4] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: It makes no sense for a BREACH weapon to have that low of a ROF.....the range needs to be increased that's for sure When I think of the word "Breach", I think of a really high ROF weapon that's capable of penetrating straight through defenses.... what we have though is a gun with extremely low ROF that can't penetrate defenses and has very bad range even with sharpshooter lvl 4. Damage is good though.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:09:00 - [5] - Quote Breach Shotguns and Breach Scrambler Pistols are the only ones worth a damn. Also, Breach SMGs are unbelievably terribad.
Drake435 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:11:00 - [6] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: Breach Shotguns and Breach Scrambler Pistols are the only ones worth a damn. Also, Breach SMGs are unbelievably terribad. Breach shotguns are great! (Well so far, my teammates get one-shotted 99% of the time by it so....yeah) I haven't touched pistols. I haven't figured out how to use SMG's well yet.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 435	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:30:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's because for a long time, the only AR worth touching was the Breach because it was absurdly easy to use, and powerful to boot. Like the swarm launcher, CCP just did a quick hammer swing to the weapon, and will likely build it back up as time goes on. This thread has definitely been passed around like a $2.....yea....so, search is your friend bro. we need more threads on this the breach is currently a travesty, he hasn't taken up anyones posting room except maybe another nerf heavy post or someone is felxing their epeen while trying to diguise it as asking for help or whatever
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 435	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:31:00 - [8] - Quote I've killed heavies as a scout with standard breach. Maybe tune up RoF very slightly, maybe so that for the current RoF, we'd have 1.25 more shots in for the same given time. Fair?
Drake435 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 4	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:32:00 - [9] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's because for a long time, the only AR worth touching was the Breach because it was absurdly easy to use, and powerful to boot. Like the swarm launcher, CCP just did a quick hammer swing to the weapon, and will likely build it back up as time goes on. This thread has definitely been passed around like a $2.....yea....so, search is your friend bro. we need more threads on this the breach is currently a travesty, he hasn't taken up anyones posting room except maybe another nerf heavy post or someone is felxing their epeen while trying to diguise it as asking for help or whatever The Breach has the potential to become a more used weapon if only it had more range on it and SLIGHTLY a bit more ROF. Clip size is decent for a gun that dishes out plenty of damage per bullet.
Drake435 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 4	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:34:00 - [10] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've killed heavies as a scout with standard breach. Maybe tune up RoF very slightly, maybe so that for the current RoF, we'd have 1.25 more shots in for the same given time. Fair? But I play with AR's from a slightly longer distance than most AR players do and found its range disgraceful. Perhaps, since it's called a "Breach weapon", its more meant to be a CQC weapon?

Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 399	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:41:00 - [11] - Quote Drake435 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've killed heavies as a scout with standard breach. Maybe tune up RoF very slightly, maybe so that for the current RoF, we'd have 1.25 more shots in for the same given time. Fair? But I play with AR's from a slightly longer distance than most AR players do and found its range disgraceful. Perhaps, since it's called a "Breach weapon", its more meant to be a CQC weapon? I think that's the idea: breach = storming the room and hip firing at close range. The problem is that they have two advantages (damage, tighter hipfire spread) and three disadvantages (range, ROF, clip size). Meanwhile, the Assault SMG is better than standard in almost every way but cost and fitting requirements, which I didn't even factor in for the Breach.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:45:00 - [12] - Quote oh nostalgia for the days before the breach nerf that was my weapon of choice the reason for the nerf was because for some reason there was no kick to the weapon (i didnt care at the time since i was the one using it) but along with the nerf to the kick they nerf-hammed the quafe out of it into the useless piece of sod that it is now. had a breach with 2 comp dmg mods named it "Fat Blaster" went specifically after heavies with it
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 887	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:53:00 - [13] - Quote It does a lot more damage to armor. They are weak verus type 2 shield suits but wreck armor tanked heavies at range or close up
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 435	Posted - 2013.02.26 22:56:00 - [14] - Quote i've said it before, the breach needs a greater headshot modfier than a normal assault rifle, not as much as a scambler but more than a standard AR
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2013.02.26 23:01:00 - [15] - Quote I LOVE the breach but I'm more of an up close and in ur face kinda assault. Trust me if you manage to flank a squad and get close its easy WP. Also I think the RoF is so low to make it hard to spray and pray SMG style.
ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 52	Posted - 2013.02.26 23:03:00 - [16] - Quote The breach AR needs a higher clipsize 45-50 a moderate increase to ROF and a slight damage boost.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 435	Posted - 2013.02.26 23:03:00 - [17] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: I LOVE the breach but I'm more of an up close and in ur face kinda assault. Trust me if you manage to flank a squad and get close its easy WP. i have seen a certain beauty of it when hip firing the thng combined with the not so perfect hit detection takes a sht ton of practice that i fell out of
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1065	Posted - 2013.02.26 23:12:00 - [18] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: It makes no sense for a BREACH weapon to have that low of a ROF.....the range needs to be increased that's for sure On the contrary, why would a BREACH weapon have high range? Anyway, I see the logic behind the RoF. Higher accuracy and lower RoF means you're less likely to teamkill in CQC in the future. I think the breach mass driver is a better example of this; the splash damage and radius is so low on those it's the only MD that's safe to use in CQC.
Drake435 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 4	Posted - 2013.02.26 23:52:00 - [19] - Quote Okay, if it was meant to be a CQC "Breach weapon", shouldn't it be breaching through the enemies' lines of defenses instead of doing more harm to you? (As in getting overwhelmed by a standard AR). Like I stated before: a "breach" weapon has 3 different definitions to me: 1) Able to actually pierce through the enemies' defenses (a.k.a. shield penetration and higher armor damage) 2) Low clip, high ROF, high damage, little range, tight hipfire (breaking through enemy lines should be quick and sudden a.k.a. low clip but high ROF and high damage) 3) Or a somewhat opposite of #2: high clip, very low ROF, very high damage, little range, tight hipfire In any case, a "breach" weapon should be decimating enemies in little to no time at however, very close range. The breach shotgun fits the "breach" category very well.


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