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Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:12:00 -
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gbghg wrote:They need countermeasures having to outrun swarms is ridiculous and annoying, and if he got taken down by 1 forge gun or 3 swarms he's either in a militia dropship or he's not got enough tank in his fitting
False, forge guns can do over 5000 damage in a single shot to dropship.
That's more than a decked drop ship would have and if by some miracle it did not instantly kill the ds, he would be in burning range.
The fact that this shot can come out of nowhere is more worrisome |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:22:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:gbghg wrote:They need countermeasures having to outrun swarms is ridiculous and annoying, and if he got taken down by 1 forge gun or 3 swarms he's either in a militia dropship or he's not got enough tank in his fitting False, forge guns can do over 5000 damage in a single shot to dropship. That's more than a decked drop ship would have and if by some miracle it did not instantly kill the ds, he would be in burning range. The fact that this shot can come out of nowhere is more worrisome That depends on the forge gun and his sp levels with it, and it's not taking into account what modules the pilot has active that would increase his ehp (boosters,hardeners,reppers etc) i've had DS's survive two FG hits in close succession due to armour reppers pulling me out of the burn zone (and yes i know those would be lower end FG)
That's an armor ship, FG does 150% to shields.
Plus you can't really run a hardener constantly, and since there's no way to predict that first shot, you might not have a ship left to activate hardeners after it. Also not like they would help when you're a burning hull.
You're right though, militia forge guns do take an extra shot or so to blow up a ds.
And FG are easy to aim. I use a militia now and can take down any flying vehicle in a matter of moments. Hopefully other pilots will notice how OP this is and lobby for change. |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:24:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:
If you use Shield DS and use blasters you have to use the sabilized ones because if you are too close a good forge shot and your are down
I can easily shoot and hit a dropship from any distance assuming no LOS. And it's not like there's ever much time they are LOS in the air.
"too close to a good forge gunner"?
I think you spelled "On the same map as anyone who has a forge gun" wrong. |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:38:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:gbghg wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:gbghg wrote:They need countermeasures having to outrun swarms is ridiculous and annoying, and if he got taken down by 1 forge gun or 3 swarms he's either in a militia dropship or he's not got enough tank in his fitting False, forge guns can do over 5000 damage in a single shot to dropship. That's more than a decked drop ship would have and if by some miracle it did not instantly kill the ds, he would be in burning range. The fact that this shot can come out of nowhere is more worrisome That depends on the forge gun and his sp levels with it, and it's not taking into account what modules the pilot has active that would increase his ehp (boosters,hardeners,reppers etc) i've had DS's survive two FG hits in close succession due to armour reppers pulling me out of the burn zone (and yes i know those would be lower end FG) That's an armor ship, FG does 150% to shields. Plus you can't really run a hardener constantly, and since there's no way to predict that first shot, you might not have a ship left to activate hardeners after it. Also not like they would help when you're a burning hull. You're right though, militia forge guns do take an extra shot or so to blow up a ds. And FG are easy to aim. I use a militia now and can take down any flying vehicle in a matter of moments. Hopefully other pilots will notice how OP this is and lobby for change. I have to disagree with you on that one FG aren't OP they're mainly an anti-tank weapon, if we nerf them they won't be able to perform effectively against tanks, if anything DS should get a hp buff. and that dropship was a shield one I just got very lucky
I didn't mean FG are OP in general. Let other people decide that.
And I realize they are balanced against tanks*
tanks with tons more HP and which are on the ground (therefore not line of sight most of the time).
However FG are definitely OP against drop-ships. And How to balance that I'm not sure. Cloaking? More HP? |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:39:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:
And FG are easy to aim. I use a militia now and can take down any flying vehicle in a matter of moments. Hopefully other pilots will notice how OP this is and lobby for change.
Well you havent seen me flying then 
Lucky for you I suppose :P
Try a forge gun. Its harder to Not hit the drop ship. |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:40:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:
That's an armor ship, FG does 150% to shields.
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im pretty sure its 100% becuase its hybrid
Not sure. I posted on here once and asked people. Everyone said Swarms are best vs armor and FG vs shields. Saw other posts citing 150% |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:41:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:Saw a Heavy take out a Dropship with a single shot from his forge fun. I lmao'd and shook my head. Funny but oh so sad.
Dropships are pretty bad atm, However I don't have any experience flying one to give any legitimate input as to how they can be made better. Meh, that depends on which Dropship was in the air and which Forge Gun was being used. The proto breach deals something like 3.1k at the expense of movement and a longer charge up. It ought to tear through militia fits like nothing else.
But a militia FG can already tear through a militia ds. |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:46:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:gbghg wrote:They need countermeasures having to outrun swarms is ridiculous and annoying, and if he got taken down by 1 forge gun or 3 swarms he's either in a militia dropship or he's not got enough tank in his fitting False, forge guns can do over 5000 damage in a single shot to dropship. That's more than a decked drop ship would have and if by some miracle it did not instantly kill the ds, he would be in burning range. The fact that this shot can come out of nowhere is more worrisome Which Forge is this, exactly? I really want one.
I was searching forum once and reading Forge gunners bragging about their damage output. They all calculated it with damage mods, skills and some gun but I forget the thread and the search function here isn't very sophisticated. They were mostly on about 2 hitting tanks though. |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:48:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Jotun Hiem wrote:
Meh, that depends on which Dropship was in the air and which Forge Gun was being used.
The proto breach deals something like 3.1k at the expense of movement and a longer charge up. It ought to tear through militia fits like nothing else.
But a militia FG can already tear through a militia ds. That's true, but militia AV pretty much tears through militia vehicles anyway... so I dunno where you're going with this point.
That there's no kill like overkill.
You're trading longer charge time and movement to do more damage than you need, when talking about taking out a militia ds. |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:27:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:It gets better once your dropship starts costing around 540k a pop and you've invested a good one million SP into it. ^This
better = more expensive while still getting **** for WP or ISK?
Oh here comes and RDV! "Look out!!" /boom. Now instead of losing 150-300k you just lost 500k. Isnt it feeling better already? |
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