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zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:08:00 -
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I was just curious if there is a reason that even though my squad mates may have gotten alot of the points for an ob they recieve none in return? If there is no reason this should be added for sure! I feel like a turd getting all of those kills that my squad helped me earn and nothing goes to them |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:14:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:I was just curious if there is a reason that even though my squad mates may have gotten alot of the points for an ob they recieve none in return? If there is no reason this should be added for sure! I feel like a turd getting all of those kills that my squad helped me earn and nothing goes to them As SL, you don't get any bonuses from orders given, so your reward is the kills from the OB. Seems fair to me, since they get bonuses on following orders. however you do get points for them following objectives so i personally still dont see it as balanced IMO |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:17:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:I was just curious if there is a reason that even though my squad mates may have gotten alot of the points for an ob they recieve none in return? If there is no reason this should be added for sure! I feel like a turd getting all of those kills that my squad helped me earn and nothing goes to them A big circle of dead red dots isn't enough? A tank driver with a squad defend command on his HAV and squad-mates manning the turrets can call one down and then instantly earn a huge chunk of the WP required for the next one. If the squad was getting OB assist points on top of all that, we'd be running the risk of OB chains. Ain't nobody got time for that. True... but maybe we could split up the wp earned from Ob so OB kills are worth less per person but the same amount is given over all just split to each person? |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:25:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:BursegSardaukar wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:I was just curious if there is a reason that even though my squad mates may have gotten alot of the points for an ob they recieve none in return? If there is no reason this should be added for sure! I feel like a turd getting all of those kills that my squad helped me earn and nothing goes to them As SL, you don't get any bonuses from orders given, so your reward is the kills from the OB. Seems fair to me, since they get bonuses on following orders. You do get squad leader commissions if you place defend orders on a squad mate and he kills things. That way you both get +10 for each kill, which amounts to +20 for your squad towards OB. I try to have a defend order placed nonstop in my squads. Yes but you don't get any bonuses for what you do - So you don't get bonuses for your own kills if you are near an objective that has a defend order, etc. You only get the bonuses from your team, which is a representation of good order calling. That said, you should be earning less than your squad does as your time is spent setting orders and supporting the team. The kills from the OB and the commissions from others who do things to accomplish your order should balance out WP compared to what your team gets. If you get more WP as a squad leader, then you squad is failing to complete objectives. I generally place objective and play the game... to have less points than your squad you would kinda have to just sit in the back and set orders the entire match you know you can set them on the go without pulling up your map right? just hold r2 then click r3 |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:27:00 -
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Aighun wrote:Yes. THe squad leader position is a unique position within the squad and in addition to being the only player in the squad that can set orders and thus earn the squad bonus points in that way, they are also the only player in the squad that can make the final decision as to when, where, and why an orbital strike will be used if the squad has earned enough war points to call one in.
One reason not to give everyone bonus points for orbital strike kills is that it limits war point farming and attempts to chain orbital strikes. To list a few others: encourages role specialization and communication, sharing and cooperation; allows the strike to be used more strategically to say, take out a tank or other target that would not earn as many war points; makes the mechanic more democratic, accessible and enjoyable for new players and players that do not always have the time or inclination to join a corporation or or only ever join battles while in a squad. Also, fighting with a good squad leader is its own reward.
What you are essentially suggesting is that you suffer from guilt because players in a squad don't earn warpoints for earning warpoints. Should they then earn warpoints for earning warpoints earned for earning warpoints?And after that should they also earn warpoints for the warpoints that they earned warpoints for because they earned warpoints by earning warpoints?
no im suggesting that im getting a reward for their work lol it hurts my sole man... |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:29:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:I was just curious if there is a reason that even though my squad mates may have gotten alot of the points for an ob they recieve none in return? If there is no reason this should be added for sure! I feel like a turd getting all of those kills that my squad helped me earn and nothing goes to them As SL, you don't get any bonuses from orders given, so your reward is the kills from the OB. Seems fair to me, since they get bonuses on following orders. however you do get points for them following objectives so i personally still dont see it as balanced IMO But you don't get nearly as much, and they should be doing the bulk of the work - a SL's job is to lead from the back - identifying locations to move to, watching troop movement, etc. If you are setting an order and then going off to kill people all on yourself you are failing in your job as SL, as you aren't actually "leading". The mechanics are set up to benefit people who are looking for tactical advantages and directing the squad as a cohesive unit. Is it broken? Maybe. But at the same time that is the design behind it. You really should set an objective then follow it yourself. not set it then sit there and watch it play out thats pretty lame The rts position youre describing is commander and its not out yet |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:37:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:
As SL, you don't get any bonuses from orders given, so your reward is the kills from the OB. Seems fair to me, since they get bonuses on following orders.
however you do get points for them following objectives so i personally still dont see it as balanced IMO But you don't get nearly as much, and they should be doing the bulk of the work - a SL's job is to lead from the back - identifying locations to move to, watching troop movement, etc. If you are setting an order and then going off to kill people all on yourself you are failing in your job as SL, as you aren't actually "leading". The mechanics are set up to benefit people who are looking for tactical advantages and directing the squad as a cohesive unit. Is it broken? Maybe. But at the same time that is the design behind it. You really should set an objective then follow it yourself. not set it then sit there and watch it play out thats pretty lame The rts position youre describing is commander and its not out yet Yes you should, but the point is if you are leading from the front and not watching what happens around the battle you are failing as a squad leader. Your team might do well, but your team will lose. You have to be able to change objectives quickly when conditions change. If you are watching to see if your objective needs to be changed, you aren't going to get as many points. Idk about that I seem to get more points than my squad or corp mates pretty regularly while playing leader and i set the objective based on changing battle conditions (dont use defend i think its lazy) from the frontlines using the quick set any ways this post isnt really about the role of the squad leader I personally just would like to pay back my squad in some way for their work as it really just adds to my K/D and WP without stat benifit for them. (yes i realize it helps the team overall by clearing out an objective but still...) |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:37:00 -
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Aighun wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:
no im suggesting that im getting a reward for their work lol it hurts my sole man...
You can simply avoid all that pain by promoting someone less fortunate to squad leader... ROFL very true |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:51:00 -
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Aighun wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:Aighun wrote:zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote:
no im suggesting that im getting a reward for their work lol it hurts my sole man...
You can simply avoid all that pain by promoting someone less fortunate to squad leader... ROFL very true You seem, at least from your own description, like a player that is good at the squad leader role as far as it goes in the limited game modes we play in open beta. You could also run squad leader training courses for your corporation. It will benefit you and everyone you play the game with regular if you all have good squad leader skills. In the deeper, more involved game a lot of us are waiting to play that squad leader position will hopefully require a lot more dedication and concentration. And the whole sharing war points thing son't seem very important next to just surviving or taking a district on a planet. yeah i guess you are right about the districts thing... My corp mates always bring this up when we play together none of them use the forums though so i promised I would make a post on their behalf because they sometimes feel like they are missing out on something they worked for too I generally would like to see it but you guys all brought up some pretty good points I will relay over to them I usually try to let alot of them be leader but there is still quiet a few who dont want to because they dont like leadership or they just havent gotten a chance yet Thank yall for your responses |
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