DUST Search - Assault Type II suit

Panther Alpha wrote:

Jack McReady wrote:

Panther Alpha wrote:

Yep, to make the type II durable in battle, you have to use " Basic armor plates " in the two slots, which they cost 2,400 ISK each, a total of 4,800 ISK per dropsuit, add to that 9,840 ISK per suit, and you have a total of 14,640 ISK. Then add weapons, other modules, equipment and grenades, and the cost can go as high as 35,000 ISK / 40,000 ISK. And that is assuming that you don't using any Tier 2 weapons.

With the Type 1 suit you don't need the Basic armor plates, and the cost is 6,800 ISK per suit, which is allot cheaper. You can have a "decent " Type 1 suit for about 25,000 / 30,000 ISK. Which is allot easier to maintain.

Phew.... that was a mouth full. Ugh

the type I is still less durable despite having more armor. the type II still has more total health from the beginning and the huge shields are the best protection in prolong fights.

You can use two "Militia Shield Extender" units, in the type 1 suit, which will boost you shield to 169 hp, and they cost only 450 ISK, 900 ISK per dropsuit. Blink

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Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.10 00:44:00 - [1] - Quote the attributes from the assault type II suit are out of place compared to all other suits. it makes the type I suit pretty much obsolete. all other type II suits give up something to gain the advantage of the type II suits: -heavy = a little less hp, less synergy with logistic armor repair -scout = slightly slower, less stamina -logi = has one less equipment suit (biggest drawback of all suits actually) what does the assault give up? nothing. what does he get? big shields which are great for prolonged fights, more total health & more speed. this should be looked into.
Panther Alpha Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 44	Posted - 2013.02.10 01:07:00 - [2] - Quote Type II suit offers better CPU, so you can boost the attributes you prefer the most. EG. "light weapon damage enhancer" x2 units , "basic armor hardener" x2 units. Or whatever combo suits your game stile the most . But be aware, that such combos are very costly, specially if you using a tier 2 weapon too.
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.10 11:40:00 - [3] - Quote imho the more total health is too much, bring it on par with the type I suit.
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 67	Posted - 2013.02.10 12:34:00 - [4] - Quote I can't really speak to the balance of it since I still use the militia suit to save isk, but doesn't the type II sacrifice about 45 armor (105 vs 150)? You do gain a lot of shields in return though.
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.10 13:59:00 - [5] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: I can't really speak to the balance of it since I still use the militia suit to save isk, but doesn't the type II sacrifice about 45 armor (105 vs 150)? You do gain a lot of shields in return though. and your point is? it has more total health than the type I additionally to the speed gain. this is the only suit that gains more total HP additionally to all other benefits
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 67	Posted - 2013.02.10 14:13:00 - [6] - Quote My point is that you said that the type II gives up nothing. I was merely stating that you gain shields but lose armor. They don't act the same against different weapons and depending on what modules/skills you like to use, having less armor can be seen as a bad thing, even if you gain more shields and overall HP. I have no experience with the type I or II, which is why I wasn't commenting on whether or not you're right overall, just pointing out a fact which wasn't fully discussed in your post.
Panther Alpha Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 44	Posted - 2013.02.10 15:41:00 - [7] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: I can't really speak to the balance of it since I still use the militia suit to save isk, but doesn't the type II sacrifice about 45 armor (105 vs 150)? You do gain a lot of shields in return though. Yep, to make the type II durable in battle, you have to use " Basic armor plates " in the two slots, which they cost 2,400 ISK each, a total of 4,800 ISK per dropsuit, add to that 9,840 ISK per suit, and you have a total of 14,640 ISK. Then add weapons, other modules, equipment and grenades, and the cost can go as high as 35,000 ISK / 40,000 ISK. And that is assuming that you don't using any Tier 2 weapons. With the Type 1 suit you don't need the Basic armor plates, and the cost is 6,800 ISK per suit, which is allot cheaper. You can have a "decent " Type 1 suit for about 25,000 / 30,000 ISK. Which is allot easier to maintain. Phew.... that was a mouth full.
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.10 15:56:00 - [8] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Yep, to make the type II durable in battle, you have to use " Basic armor plates " in the two slots, which they cost 2,400 ISK each, a total of 4,800 ISK per dropsuit, add to that 9,840 ISK per suit, and you have a total of 14,640 ISK. Then add weapons, other modules, equipment and grenades, and the cost can go as high as 35,000 ISK / 40,000 ISK. And that is assuming that you don't using any Tier 2 weapons. With the Type 1 suit you don't need the Basic armor plates, and the cost is 6,800 ISK per suit, which is allot cheaper. You can have a "decent " Type 1 suit for about 25,000 / 30,000 ISK. Which is allot easier to maintain. Phew.... that was a mouth full. the type I is still less durable despite having more armor. the type II still has more total health from the beginning and the huge shields are the best protection in prolong fights.
Panther Alpha Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 44	Posted - 2013.02.10 16:04:00 - [9] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Yep, to make the type II durable in battle, you have to use " Basic armor plates " in the two slots, which they cost 2,400 ISK each, a total of 4,800 ISK per dropsuit, add to that 9,840 ISK per suit, and you have a total of 14,640 ISK. Then add weapons, other modules, equipment and grenades, and the cost can go as high as 35,000 ISK / 40,000 ISK. And that is assuming that you don't using any Tier 2 weapons. With the Type 1 suit you don't need the Basic armor plates, and the cost is 6,800 ISK per suit, which is allot cheaper. You can have a "decent " Type 1 suit for about 25,000 / 30,000 ISK. Which is allot easier to maintain. Phew.... that was a mouth full. the type I is still less durable despite having more armor. the type II still has more total health from the beginning and the huge shields are the best protection in prolong fights. You can use two "Militia Shield Extender" units, in the type 1 suit, which will boost you shield to 169 hp, and they cost only 450 ISK, 900 ISK per dropsuit.
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.10 17:28:00 - [10] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Yep, to make the type II durable in battle, you have to use " Basic armor plates " in the two slots, which they cost 2,400 ISK each, a total of 4,800 ISK per dropsuit, add to that 9,840 ISK per suit, and you have a total of 14,640 ISK. Then add weapons, other modules, equipment and grenades, and the cost can go as high as 35,000 ISK / 40,000 ISK. And that is assuming that you don't using any Tier 2 weapons. With the Type 1 suit you don't need the Basic armor plates, and the cost is 6,800 ISK per suit, which is allot cheaper. You can have a "decent " Type 1 suit for about 25,000 / 30,000 ISK. Which is allot easier to maintain. Phew.... that was a mouth full. the type I is still less durable despite having more armor. the type II still has more total health from the beginning and the huge shields are the best protection in prolong fights. You can use two "Militia Shield Extender" units, in the type 1 suit, which will boost you shield to 169 hp, and they cost only 450 ISK, 900 ISK per dropsuit. and the assault type II can do the same

G Torq ALTA B2O 88	Posted - 2013.02.10 18:08:00 - [11] - Quote From memory, aren't the higher tier shield-based Assault suit(s) limited in Equipment-slots?
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2013.02.10 18:15:00 - [12] - Quote Same slot layout.
dabest2evadoit7 Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order 35	Posted - 2013.02.10 18:24:00 - [13] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: My point is that you said that the type II gives up nothing. I was merely stating that you gain shields but lose armor. They don't act the same against different weapons and depending on what modules/skills you like to use, having less armor can be seen as a bad thing, even if you gain more shields and overall HP. I have no experience with the type I or II, which is why I wasn't commenting on whether or not you're right overall, just pointing out a fact which wasn't fully discussed in your post. So does the heavy suit. The type I has more armor less shields, the type II more shields less armor so that it may move faster. Type III more armor, less shields, and slightly more pg/cpu. The same for the assault suits so I am not seeing a problem here.
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 151	Posted - 2013.02.10 18:33:00 - [14] - Quote So all tI and TII differences should be shield/armor based, and consequently speed and sig radius penalties
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.10 19:48:00 - [15] - Quote G Torq wrote: From memory, aren't the higher tier shield-based Assault suit(s) limited in Equipment-slots? only logi suit gives up a slot... also many seem to miss the point. assault type II gets MORE TOTAL HEALTH over the type I additionally to all the other benefits of having more speed/stamina and having big shields. none of the other type II are like that. this is a design/balance flaw. Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote: So all tI and TII differences should be shield/armor based, and consequently speed and sig radius penalties I dont mind if you would lose something else, like a slot, when the benefit is significant enough.


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