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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.09 17:11:00 -
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Swarm launchers need an actual lock on time, not some ready lock fire in .75 seconds. If this is implemented it should be based on signature radius, so gallente lavs take the longest to lock on to and caldari Havs take the shortest to lock on to before adding shield extenders or any other signature radius raising module. So while gunloggis and sagarises are the easiest to lock on to they'll still take relatively little damage from swarm lauchers.
What exactly would be a good lock on time I can't say, but ranging from highest to lowest time taken should range from about 6 or 7 to 2 or 3 seconds, and obviously the higher tier swarms would have lower lock on times than the militia, so for instance:
Militia swarm launcher
7.5 seconds to lock on to a gallente lav without shield extenders and 3.5 to lock on to a caldari hav without shield extenders
From militia to prototype each tier will take .5 seconds less to lock on to the base vehicle and this way shield tanks get a more prominent penalty without nerfing them.
Edit: these numbers are just a shot in the dark, whether they should be lower or higher I have no idea.
Edit 2 : there velocity should also be increased to compensate for the lock on time |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:16:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Are you seriously fronting that your the leader of the Guristas?
*sucks in breath through teeth and backs away slowly* And who are you to say otherwise?
Ps stay on the thread topic |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:27:00 -
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Back to the front |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:38:00 -
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I'd suggest an anti missile system over directly destroying them.
Militia: fires one counter missile-missile
And plus one for every tier past that.
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:54:00 -
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Manually lock? I don't quite understand
Btw don't troll the guy killing for you |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:03:00 -
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Which would be an over nerf to missiles, you only want that because it's an imbalance in your favor. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:14:00 -
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To you only, that's why amses are asked for more often than direct destruction of missiles. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.12 21:15:00 -
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Bump |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.12 22:52:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:As a Swarm Launcher user I kind of like it. My only tweak to it would be to decrease armor lock time (by like 2-3 seconds), but increase all lock times with distance (acts like a wave, waves take time to move).
I mean a signature would be more dampened with distance.
As a vehicle user I don't like it. It means that my Myron is now worthless. The whole racial set up kind of means that a Caldari vehicle is now more prone to Swarms and forges and rails (because of the shield set up it has) But they naturally resist swarms better than armor, and the lock time would only be slightly longer before shield modules are added (about. 25 seconds shorter) |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.13 02:12:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:IGNORE: I thought you said extenders Oops i meant shield extenders only |
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.13 02:31:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:IGNORE: I thought you said extenders Oops i meant shield extenders only In that case, what would be your take on resistance amplifiers, crisis damage control mod, etc.? They don't affect sig radius, I'm a bit "end of discussion" for keeping those awat from affecting sig radius |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.13 02:45:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:They don't affect sig radius, I'm a bit "end of discussion" for keeping those awat from affecting sig radius But you see now, there's an imbalance. When your HP remains the same, but your resistance goes up, it's basically like a shield extender except when your shields recharge, they are recharge more potential damage to be taken per recharge pulse. For example, an uber shield extended vehicle vs. an uber resistant (shield) vehicle. They both take the same hit. One loses more HP, but it's a small proportion of total shields. The other loses less hp, in the same proportion though as the shield extender version (let's just say). However, when they're shields recharge, the one with the resistance amplifier wins, because it recharges the same HP, but it has greater resistance per HP, so it recharges more Potential Damage Taken (PDT). Without a signature, that's like an almighty win. I like resistance amplifiers, but they make extenders purposeless. But resistance amps don't raise ehp as much as shield extenders do, so this could be seen as an unnecessary nerf |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.13 03:07:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote: But resistance amps don't raise ehp as much as shield extenders do, so this could be seen as an unnecessary nerf
But couldn't the resistance be seen as a boost to the amount of damage one can take? But they don't give the raw hp boost that extenders give. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.13 22:03:00 -
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Anyone see a flaw in this system? |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.13 23:25:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:I like the idea.
The only think I'd change is the lock on time for armor. It's very high. 7.5 seconds is just shy of the HMGs reload time. That's a long time to track a target as small and as fast as an LAV. They'd be behind cover as soon as you got the lock. To me this is a bit of a stealth buff to lavs because they'll still be as vulnerable but they won't be as insta killable as they are now
Btw I stated the time could be off for a reason so I may be wrong. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:31:00 -
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Another thing to add is that only the militia swarm will take 7.5 seconds to lock on to a gallente lav without extenders, the standard will shave. 5 seconds off that time and could be further augmented to have a percentage reduction of lock on time per skill level. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:15:00 -
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Not the thread for your QQing |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:24:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Those are the problems, I added some drama. You are the one that started QQ about swarms please do not reply as if you are the one that is not complaining. Edit But guess what? I use the things more often than I drive my tank. This would be QQ if I was asking for a damage reduction or other nerf, this is just an idea I tossed around after seeing QQ about swarms so they hopefully wouldn't be nerfed to uselessness
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:38:00 -
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I'd perfer to have two separate anti missile systems, one decently effective but passive and one very effective but active |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.17 20:21:00 -
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Bump |
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:47:00 -
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Tl;dr shadow vehicle buff |
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