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phakk
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.07 06:11:00 -
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As the title says. Tides of battle constantly shift. We're able to run up on foot and change our dropsuit loadouts at will via supply depots. But what about vehicles? One example is I bring in a railgun tank, zap whatever turrets, vehicles etc... and am now stuck with a tank that is almost useless vs infantry. At the least, what about a rear base installation to allow me to swap turrets/tank fittings? Or at most, send the vehicle back and engage on foot without the isk loss of abandoning it to some blueberry?
Another example is the dropship. Start of game, dropship is very handy getting troops to capture points. Say our team has taken the initiative, and is rocking all capture points on the battlefield. Hell, they're now redlining the enemy! This dropship is now useless. Again, the only option is to abandon it at an isk loss.
Can something be implimented to send vehicles back when they're no longer needed? Well fitted, they're not exactly throw-away cheap anymore... |
Coleus Rattus
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.02.07 07:57:00 -
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I am against it, as it severely skewers te balancing.
By deploying a HAV, you gain a considerable advantage over your redberries. Now that advantage is balanced via the cost of the tank should it be destroyed. Now if you're able to have the tank removed from the game before it ends, it removes a lot of the risk involved with deciding to spawn a vehicle.
So generally I have to say that you should only field gear yu can afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose a tank (or can't be bothered to keep it safe until the game ends), don't deploy one.
Dust, much like EVE is a game where your decisions matter, for good or for bad, so why should the decision to deploy a vehicle be excempt from that? |
Templis Offline
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:02:00 -
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But in EVE you can dock and swap ships as and when needed.
Perhaps have some kind of dock/garage back in the base where you would have to drive/fly all the way back to change the tank fitting it just means you would have to leave the battlefield for a reasonable amount of time at a cost of warpoints/kills to the driver leaving them to weigh up whats more important to them, a 2mill tank or continuing the fight with teammates in order to take a tank back. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
175
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:25:00 -
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Coleus Rattus wrote:I am against it, as it severely skewers te balancing.
By deploying a HAV, you gain a considerable advantage over your redberries. Now that advantage is balanced via the cost of the tank should it be destroyed. Now if you're able to have the tank removed from the game before it ends, it removes a lot of the risk involved with deciding to spawn a vehicle.
So generally I have to say that you should only field gear yu can afford to lose. If you can't afford to lose a tank (or can't be bothered to keep it safe until the game ends), don't deploy one.
Dust, much like EVE is a game where your decisions matter, for good or for bad, so why should the decision to deploy a vehicle be excempt from that?
Nope.
I understand what you are saying about choices having consequences, but the decision to spawn a vehicle is the decision to risk that vehicle and not necessarily be stuck with it for the whole game.
You can go to your supply depot and change suits.
Imagine if that choice had permanent consequences; you'd have to chose one fit for the whole match. Sucks. |
Felix Thunide
Gespenster Kompanie
Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:42:00 -
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I agree, we should be able to take the vehicle back to a pad and have it hoisted back into space. If we want our decisions to have consequences then let it be momentarily possible to blow them up on the launch back up. That way if people are ditching vehicles just because the map went sour they will think twice about about doing it when the vehicles are needed most and the enemies are crowding the LZ. |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
47
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Posted - 2013.02.07 22:15:00 -
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I've had times where I'm using my dropship and all of a sudden militia swarms are flying everywhere. They won't kill me as long as I play it safe, but playing it safe is making my dropship useless on the field. I'd like to just park it back in my redline and whip out an assault fit, but I'm sure some blueberry will come along and go, "Hey guyz! Check out my free dropship!" that just cost me 464K ISK. I want to be able to safely get that piece of equipment off the field. |
Jack-The-Off
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
4
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:38:00 -
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The return procedure could simply be the same as the call in. If you want to get your Million ISK tank off the field its just a matter of trusting the drunken RDV pilots to get it home safe. Im willing to bet that people will be really cautious sending vehicles back with the risk of drunken immolation. |
Stile451
Red Star.
76
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Posted - 2013.02.08 17:27:00 -
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I don't like the idea of sending it back, changing it out for a same type vehicle would be ok(this would prevent players from bringing in a tank to destroy turrets and swapping it for the free LAV. This way there is at least a small investment of ISK involved. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2013.02.08 18:04:00 -
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In EVE when you eject from a ship in space it can be boarded by anyone with the skill to pilot that class. DUST should be no different. Parking behind the redline in skirmish shouldn't be a problem in corp battles in terms of theft, but it should still be possible. Espionage anyone? Also, you should still be vulnerable to OB and weapons that can reach you.
In pub matches, don't call it down unless you plan to stay in the driver's seat or DIAF.
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dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology
The Revenant Order
35
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Posted - 2013.02.08 20:37:00 -
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As a dropship pilot I agree. Since all great points have been made, I am just here to cast my vote. Definitely needed. |
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Monkxx
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.02.08 22:32:00 -
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Not needed. Mercs don't hide! Mers fight! Mercs don't send their vehicles back! Mercs are not cowards, goddammit! |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2013.02.08 22:39:00 -
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I don't support being able to send vehicles off map because I think it would end up being abused by ppl who just want to avoid losing a vehicle.
But I totally love to be able to swap vehicle fits at supply depots, I can't stand rail tanks but you need one to deal with the obscene amount of turrets at the start of a battle, and to deal with rail tanks sitting on hills if i could swap to a blaster tank after dealing with these problems, i'd be overjoyed. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.02.08 23:49:00 -
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I'm +1 this,
In the current state of dust as well,
When my brother and I play sometimes he will get randomly disconnected or I'll be deployed and not him.
Well already dropped the tank so I need to stay in game or it's lost.
Ill' things like that is why I'll support it. |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
235
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:37:00 -
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Yes Tanks should be pickup able. but only from map safe zones and it takes longer for the RDV to come get your tank, so instead of 15 seconds its 30 seconds or longer because collection is a lower priority for the war barge then deployment of assets. And you have to be within a certain range of either your MMC or a supply depot. Also you can not call a recall while inside your tank you have to get out and select it from the menu and wait the 30 seconds or so for the RDV to pick it up. |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:43:00 -
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I would like noting more then to see us get the ability to switch between a rail and blaster tank mid match. |
Irish Syn
Chernova Industries
123
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:02:00 -
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I can see how this could be viewed as abusive for tanks, but anyone who doesn't support this idea has never flown a dropship. |
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