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Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:15:00 -
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So I made this a request as well, but I'd like a general discussion on it as well, and opinions.
I'm sure there will be mixed feelings about this.
But I prefer having a capacitor that I need to either boost with cap boosters to keep things running or cap stable.
The module countdown/cool down is just not, well to me its meh when your used to a cap system.
I think in eve personally how a ship preforms in pvp is 90% your cap setup and micro managing your cap.
I feel cheated not having this ability
Cons,
for most that didn't come from eve cap management would be hard
....all I got feel free to add more cons.
pros
modules can run for as long as there is cap
tanks and other vehicles, especially in the amarr faction would be able to have their usual energy neutralize bonus
its not about who turned on what module when, but who is better at cap management as well
It could also give infantry a new weapon against vehicles ie neuts again
Expands the spider tanking ability as well as for ships in a logistic role, like guardians and bassi's |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:17:00 -
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Soon(tm) |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:19:00 -
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Like us FPS users aren't confused enough ;) Boy am I glad I picked up EvE a few days ago... any experience helps! |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:19:00 -
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Greetings kind sir! Some of us Eve challenged would not know what this capsicator-thing-of-a-jigger is. Would you be so kind as to explain what this is? |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:19:00 -
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I don't really know that much about Eve but I had wondered why this capacitor system wasn't implemented for Dust vehicles. I guess it would just be too complex for a this game. It would be interesting to see how it panned out to have LAVs, HAVs and dropships set up more like Eve ships - most of all having finite ammo that you have to pay for! |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:20:00 -
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Might be alright. I hate that vehicles can just fire as much as their individual weapon and its overheating permits. Capacitor, I guess, would help restrain vehicles a bit and prevent the spamming of missiles and so on. A little more depth of that sort would probably go a long way. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:21:00 -
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Just think capacitor as stamina for vehicles. |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:21:00 -
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Pays 2 Win wrote:Greetings kind sir! Some of us Eve challenged would not know what this capsicator-thing-of-a-jigger is. Would you be so kind as to explain what this is?
Think of the capacitor as a rechargable battery. It charges automatically, but when you activate a module, it uses energy from the capacitor to run off.
The capacitor can be stable, meaning whatever modules you have one will last forever once activated.
Or, it spends all the energy after a while, deactivates modules (because they don't have energy) and then the capacitor has to charge [some] until you can activate modules again. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:22:00 -
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We'd also need troops (or other vehicles) to have cap-affecting mods and equipment (I'm still waiting for the Webs that were teased...) |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:23:00 -
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Thank you Iron Wolf Saber and Gauder Berwyck . +1s to both of ya. good idea. |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:25:00 -
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I want it
I want to perma run my adaptive invuls |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:25:00 -
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Pays 2 Win wrote:Greetings kind sir! Some of us Eve challenged would not know what this capsicator-thing-of-a-jigger is. Would you be so kind as to explain what this is?
For those who don't know about cap skim through this please.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Capacitor_Management_101 |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:28:00 -
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You could think of the capacitor as "stamina" or "mana" in other games. Its used to power "abilities" (modules) and it regenerates over time.
Yes I agree, capacity adds a much need element to vehicles. Might balance them better and give logistic another dimension. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:29:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I want it
I want to perma run my adaptive invuls
We should be able too, these are simple things that should perma run as long as you have cap and are not neuted out just like eve.
Your sacrificing a slot for something that runs 10 seconds then cools for 30 sec that in eve eats minimal amount of cap and stays on permanently
This also leads to new tanking styles,
Intense burst rep tanks,
Better remote rep,
Better logistics,
Ammo will eat cap, depending on race.
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Lunamaria Hawkeye
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:15:00 -
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Yeah capacitors is a good idea. Right now we have cooldown timers and the overheat on turrets to prevent nonstop spam and implement some sort of balance for vehicle modules. I believe adding cap would solve the issue better. Of course I am a huge fan of giving this game as high a skill cap as possible, and doing this would obviously increase the learning curve for new players, which could be bad.
Imo, the pros of higher skill cap gameplay, along with the possibility for new vehicle counters and new roles, outweigh the con of maybe scaring off new players. I would like to see more EWAR in general in this game to the point where it becomes a viable independent role/playstyle, much like it is in EVE. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:18:00 -
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Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:Yeah capacitors is a good idea. Right now we have cooldown timers and the overheat on turrets to prevent nonstop spam and implement some sort of balance for vehicle modules. I believe adding cap would solve the issue better. Of course I am a huge fan of giving this game as high a skill cap as possible, and doing this would obviously increase the learning curve for new players, which could be bad.
Imo, the pros of higher skill cap gameplay, along with the possibility for new vehicle counters and new roles, outweigh the con of maybe scaring off new players. I would like to see more EWAR in general in this game to the point where it becomes a viable independent role/playstyle, much like it is in EVE.
My favorite ship in eve is the curse, and yes I am boss solo with it.
Best ship ever ever |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:25:00 -
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have you guys noticed that the health bar on the left is missing some half circles? i suspect that capacitor will be one of them |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:28:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:have you guys noticed that the health bar on the left is missing some half circles? i suspect that capacitor will be one of them
Ya I suspect this would be put in, I mean they already have the eve coding for it, just needs some tweaking.
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Exmaple Core
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:28:00 -
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This would be a terrorable input to the game. In eve, cap is used when you do anything in your ship. Move, fire a weapon, warp, use boosters, ect. If we had that in vehicals nothing would ever have cap because stupid blueberrys hop in and fire your small weapons all the time as fast as possible at anything living or not and refuse to leave. So if your running anything standard or above the 2 gunners will destroy your cap as you try to move, shoot, use boosters, remote rep, ect |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:30:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:have you guys noticed that the health bar on the left is missing some half circles? i suspect that capacitor will be one of them Ya I suspect this would be put in, I mean they already have the eve coding for it, just needs some tweaking.
in which case the logi's will finally have some offensive capabilities energy drain anyone? |
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Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:30:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:This would be a terrorable input to the game. In eve, cap is used when you do anything in your ship. Move, fire a weapon, warp, use boosters, ect. If we had that in vehicals nothing would ever have cap because stupid blueberrys hop in and fire your small weapons all the time as fast as possible at anything living or not and refuse to leave. So if your running anything standard or above the 2 gunners will destroy your cap as you try to move, shoot, use boosters, remote rep, ect
Running missiles turrets don't eat cap.
Keep it simple and only use blasters if you know you'll have dedicated good gunners.
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Drado Arona
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Soon(tm) we need to murder the person who trademarked Soon(tm) That bastard never gives us anything! |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:32:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:have you guys noticed that the health bar on the left is missing some half circles? i suspect that capacitor will be one of them Ya I suspect this would be put in, I mean they already have the eve coding for it, just needs some tweaking. in which case the logi's will finally have some offensive capabilities energy drain anyone?
This, this is what I want to see, let's get some damn neuts.
I mean I'd say like 90% of the time in pvp someone has a neut or nos fitted. |
Grenwal Hiesenberg
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:36:00 -
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This thread lays out some interesting ways to bring capacitors into functionality and some other great ideas. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44536&find=unread |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:44:00 -
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Overall on the cap idea it adds more mods, skills, fittings and tactics
Plus is fits in with EVE perfectly |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:46:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:So I made this a request as well, but I'd like a general discussion on it as well, and opinions. I'm sure there will be mixed feelings about this. But I prefer having a capacitor that I need to either boost with cap boosters to keep things running or cap stable. The module countdown/cool down is just not, well to me its meh when your used to a cap system. I think in eve personally how a ship preforms in pvp is 90% your cap setup and micro managing your cap. I feel cheated not having this ability Cons, for most that didn't come from eve cap management would be hard ....all I got feel free to add more cons. pros modules can run for as long as there is cap tanks and other vehicles, especially in the amarr faction would be able to have their usual energy neutralize bonus its not about who turned on what module when, but who is better at cap management as well It could also give infantry a new weapon against vehicles ie neuts again Expands the spider tanking ability as well as for ships in a logistic role, like guardians and bassi's On suits or vehicles? I think that might be part of the plan for vehicles, but no way should you be having to balance capacitor quantity with shooting as infantry. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:48:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:So I made this a request as well, but I'd like a general discussion on it as well, and opinions. I'm sure there will be mixed feelings about this. But I prefer having a capacitor that I need to either boost with cap boosters to keep things running or cap stable. The module countdown/cool down is just not, well to me its meh when your used to a cap system. I think in eve personally how a ship preforms in pvp is 90% your cap setup and micro managing your cap. I feel cheated not having this ability Cons, for most that didn't come from eve cap management would be hard ....all I got feel free to add more cons. pros modules can run for as long as there is cap tanks and other vehicles, especially in the amarr faction would be able to have their usual energy neutralize bonus its not about who turned on what module when, but who is better at cap management as well It could also give infantry a new weapon against vehicles ie neuts again Expands the spider tanking ability as well as for ships in a logistic role, like guardians and bassi's On suits or vehicles? I think that might be part of the plan for vehicles, but no way should you be having to balance capacitor quantity with shooting as infantry.
It's strictly on the subject of vehicles. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:03:00 -
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My theory is that with the way weaponry works in FPS the weapons them selves would not use cap. but keep the overheating mechanic that they currently use.
If vehicle weaponry did begin to drain the cap as well all you would ever see on the vehicles (unless the ones that use cap had a distinct advantage) would be artillery and auto-cannons and possibly missiles (if they ever get fixed)
Modules however would drain the cap as per the usual, standard eve operating procedures.
So i would guess a smaller capacitor that caters to the modules while weapons continue to operate as they do now. (I however as an egger would have no problem with a cap system similar to EVEs) |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:13:00 -
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if they haven't added a Cap yet i doubt they ever will. it would be a too large of a change that could break the game as far as balance (balance ha).
it would change the game, and i would infact love the hell out of it. being able to selectivily use my rep systems and other shinanigans would be great, but having both overheat mechanic and cap mechanic might be overkill. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:14:00 -
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Weapons have their own power supply on infantry, infantry cap could be used for sensors, or infantry armour rep and shield boosters.
More needed on vehicles, infantry could use it but most fits we run wouldn't drain cap. If we get the infinite ammo lasers from eve background, they mention both unlimited and limited ammo types, it would drain cap to fire.
A Vehicle's guns shouldn't drain cap fast enough to drain the cap by themselves, and only active propulsion mods use cap, normal movement doesn't. So, blueberries shouldn't be able to drain all the cap, just reduce how fast it recharges after other modules are used.
New players probably won't have enough active mods unlocked to not be cap stable, so by the time they need to learn about cap they would be over the worst of the curve. |
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