DUST Search - Regarding Heavies

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Mr Zitro wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Mr Zitro wrote:

Paran Tadec wrote:

Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target.

So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced.

You promise to only run heavy with none of that hideing in a tank and I promise to militia shotgun you in my advanced or proto scout suit.

Yes its unbalanced since heavies hear that bong!,bong!!, BONG!! sound and hey!! its not! the Avon lady calling.

Lol I challenge you to run a tank and tell me how easy it is to micro manage your tank and how hard map control with a tank is in ambush. Hell if you can put up half the numbers I do I will run heavies all day

if heavies are as easy as you say, then where's all the screenshots of you going 100-0?... I'll wait...

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Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.01.30 03:52:00 - [1] - Quote Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.01.30 04:03:00 - [2] - Quote as a heavy here, i appreciate this. also, dreading the impending stompage, only thing i ever spec into, and 3 nerfings(that i know of, might be even more) have made it painful
Vaek Guverdon Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 5	Posted - 2013.01.30 04:36:00 - [3] - Quote I sometimes run a hevy with a broadside two damage mods, complex plate all on a standard suit and ill tell you that when I get an Assault with a GEK-38 AR the don't even get threw my shields I don't ever get stomped.
METR0 THE DESTR0YER Imperfects Negative-Feedback 76	Posted - 2013.01.30 04:45:00 - [4] - Quote The only time I die Is when a shot gunner comes after me, or a good squad coordinates against me. Other than that I see +50 all day long.
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 417	Posted - 2013.01.30 05:17:00 - [5] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2013.01.30 05:19:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced. How do you make a waddling ball of hp with a spray and pray weapon not easy?
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.30 06:18:00 - [7] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced. You promise to only run heavy with none of that hideing in a tank and I promise to militia shotgun you in my advanced or proto scout suit. Yes its unbalanced since heavies hear that bong!,bong!!, BONG!! sound and hey!! its not! the Avon lady calling.
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 417	Posted - 2013.01.30 07:12:00 - [8] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced. You promise to only run heavy with none of that hideing in a tank and I promise to militia shotgun you in my advanced or proto scout suit. Yes its unbalanced since heavies hear that bong!,bong!!, BONG!! sound and hey!! its not! the Avon lady calling. Lol I challenge you to run a tank and tell me how easy it is to micro manage your tank and how hard map control with a tank is in ambush. Hell if you can put up half the numbers I do I will run heavies all day
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.30 07:56:00 - [9] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced. You promise to only run heavy with none of that hideing in a tank and I promise to militia shotgun you in my advanced or proto scout suit. Yes its unbalanced since heavies hear that bong!,bong!!, BONG!! sound and hey!! its not! the Avon lady calling. Lol I challenge you to run a tank and tell me how easy it is to micro manage your tank and how hard map control with a tank is in ambush. Hell if you can put up half the numbers I do I will run heavies all day Been there done that. Once mechanics, shield regen and maximum shield skills are maxxed then its just a matter of running with a team that kills the enemy AV. Thats easy. Try running solo heavy Cow versus advanced Lion Cheetah shotgun scouts.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.01.30 08:02:00 - [10] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced. You promise to only run heavy with none of that hideing in a tank and I promise to militia shotgun you in my advanced or proto scout suit. Yes its unbalanced since heavies hear that bong!,bong!!, BONG!! sound and hey!! its not! the Avon lady calling. Lol I challenge you to run a tank and tell me how easy it is to micro manage your tank and how hard map control with a tank is in ambush. Hell if you can put up half the numbers I do I will run heavies all day if heavies are as easy as you say, then where's all the screenshots of you going 100-0?... I'll wait...

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.30 08:14:00 - [11] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced. You promise to only run heavy with none of that hideing in a tank and I promise to militia shotgun you in my advanced or proto scout suit. Yes its unbalanced since heavies hear that bong!,bong!!, BONG!! sound and hey!! its not! the Avon lady calling. Lol I challenge you to run a tank and tell me how easy it is to micro manage your tank and how hard map control with a tank is in ambush. Hell if you can put up half the numbers I do I will run heavies all day if heavies are as easy as you say, then where's all the screenshots of you going 100-0?... I'll wait... Notice Zitro evadeing?? And yeah wheres all the Zitro 100 and 0 in a HEAVY screen shots?? Running a heavy is a PITA since the basic heavy suit is borderline useless and the heavy proto is just a pathetic waste of SP as compared to when I run skinweave Scout and militia shotgun on my alt. Like I keep saying once a few core skills are trained then its proto scouts since I hear the nova knifes are getting fixed.
Deadeyes Anterie Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION 269	Posted - 2013.01.30 08:17:00 - [12] - Quote A defense spec'd well trained assault can have 600-800EHP. Now that I am getting my skills back over the last few weeks heavies pose a much smaller threat to me than they did just a week ago. Heavies thrive off of unskilled (both in sp and gameplay experience) players. As the rest of the players figure out that defense specs are probably the best at the moment for assault I think the heavy rampages will come to an end. Well at least until the game launches and all the new players come in again and get eaten up by heavies.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.30 08:25:00 - [13] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: A defense spec'd well trained assault can have 600-800EHP. Now that I am getting my skills back over the last few weeks heavies pose a much smaller threat to me than they did just a week ago. As the rest of the players figure out that defense specs are probably the best at the moment for assault I think the heavy rampages will come to an end. This next week the Hippo rampage is over for most. But the forum nerf whiners will never be happy until the heavy suit is 20 shields and 50 armour leading CCP to at last notice no one using heavies and then deciding to do a heavy buff. Its pointless and borderline useless to spec anything beyond basic heavy suit. Long term I will go scout then Pilot then Command suits.
Deadeyes Anterie Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION 269	Posted - 2013.01.30 08:37:00 - [14] - Quote Also since you can outrun a heavy I tend to take them down quite easily. I can put all my defense into my shield, I also run faster than the heavy. I can get in a first bout with a tac assault rifle. Take and give about 400-500 damage. Retreat until my shield is mostly up. Then start round two into their still downed armor. All the people claiming heavies are gods will feel pretty silly when they realize how survivable all the suits get once you have the skills, suits, and mods. This is still the worst case, ideally I can sneak up dump 10 rounds into them, then use the SMG to finish them off in one attack. One last point is on cover. Ideally you should be using or very near to cover. If you are both in half cover you can still do near max damage with good aim. A heavy loses about half their damage because of a wider, less controlled spray.
Midas Man ll Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance 38	Posted - 2013.01.30 08:48:00 - [15] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Been there done that. Once mechanics, shield regen and maximum shield skills are maxxed then its just a matter of running with a team that kills the enemy AV. Thats easy. Try running solo heavy Cow versus advanced Lion Cheetah shotgun scouts. So now your comparing the difficulty of running with a tank with squad support to running solo as a heavy? hmm interesting by that reasoning everything needs to be nerfed because someone with a terribad fit cannot kill anything with a better fit and friends? Its balanced on team play, you cannot expect to be a kill em all solo machine. With good skills and a good fit you can go Rambo mode quite well but you will alway lose out to a squad, as scout, assault, logi, heavy or rolling a vehichle, you will never beat those with friendly support as a solo hero.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 285	Posted - 2013.01.30 10:03:00 - [16] - Quote I have found first hand if you have a good game or not. the counter will be, they was all newberries, so it is no debate when throwing good games in the mix.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 213	Posted - 2013.01.30 10:31:00 - [17] - Quote dont worry heavies soon you will be beat down like a *** by every proto suit on the field and people will move on to how op tanks are because their militia swarms and forge guns can't kill a proto tank. which of course would be no problem if any one had started putting points into AV but of course instead of seeing how much they fail they will *** till tanks can be killed with 6 rounds of militia swarm.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:07:00 - [18] - Quote fred orpaul wrote: dont worry heavies soon you will be beat down like a *** by every proto suit on the field and people will move on to how op tanks are because their militia swarms and forge guns can't kill a proto tank. which of course would be no problem if any one had started putting points into AV but of course instead of seeing how much they fail they will *** till tanks can be killed with 6 rounds of militia swarm. Yep. Same thing every build except now theres no monthly or so wipe. But three months from now it will all balance out.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.01.30 18:59:00 - [19] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced. No, its not, you're just a great player like the rest of our corp. If it was that easy, you'd see heavies going 50-0 in matches, oh wait, thats all the snipers I see regularly.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:10:00 - [20] - Quote Their counter is just about everything but what the majority of the players use. The problem is the player base, not the class.

Felix Lekhner2 Doomheim 15	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:05:00 - [21] - Quote a heavies counter: as stated by most heavy whores is "grab your friends and find me" basically what that means is it takes multiple people to kill one. where's the logic in that
General Erick Onslaught Inc 24	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:31:00 - [22] - Quote The only thing that seems to be able to stop me is another heavy that gets the drop on me or 10 assaults
Bogon Vdemotch Expert Intervention Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:42:00 - [23] - Quote Right now Dust is worse than MAG in the whole "Heavy+MG=HALOL SKILL IZ 4 NEWBZ" department. Personally id rather see the movement rate and turn rate nerfed, especially when firing. But don't kid yourself; There definitely needs to be some nerfing here.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:45:00 - [24] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Heavies, like all classes in this game, have counters. Get a shotgun scout setup, or a ranged laser or a sniper rifle. Heavies scale musch slower to the point that advanced and prototype suits are pointless. When Assaults have proto, heavies will get gunned down much easier than they do now. To even take advantage of "doom mode" the heavy has to crouch, effectively freezing you into place making you a great target. So I have a challenge for you whiners now, train up heavy and hmg to lvl 2 each and see what it is like. I guarantee you will get stomped. Sorry to burst your bubble but I do have a heavy alt and its childishly easy. And just cause something has a counter doesn't make it balanced. Sorry to burst your bubble, but balanced suits is a bad idea. It makes sense that a Heavy would be more powerful and be able to have more tank and put out more damage. The Heavy is powerful, but a team of nothing but heavies would fail and lose all the time. This is why there is no need for balance. Just use each advantage.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:47:00 - [25] - Quote Felix Lekhner2 wrote: a heavies counter: as stated by most heavy whores is "grab your friends and find me" basically what that means is it takes multiple people to kill one. where's the logic in that The logic in that is that each suit is different. A heavy should be able to defend a letter, and yes it should take coordinated team work to take down a heavy. Nothing needs a nerf, the balance is already almost perfect. Everyone's complaints are just showing how little they think it out.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.01.30 21:18:00 - [26] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Felix Lekhner2 wrote: a heavies counter: as stated by most heavy whores is "grab your friends and find me" basically what that means is it takes multiple people to kill one. where's the logic in that The logic in that is that each suit is different. A heavy should be able to defend a letter, and yes it should take coordinated team work to take down a heavy. Nothing needs a nerf, the balance is already almost perfect. Everyone's complaints are just showing how little they think it out. proto heavy needs an HP buff
Dachande Anasazi IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2013.01.30 21:28:00 - [27] - Quote Personally I think the game is balanced. Remember the MMO/RPG aspect. It is supposed to be like that because of roles. The heavies role is to LIVE. However coordinated effort can kill heavies EASILY. Like super easily. Also try using different weapons (I am a logistics). If I come at a heavy straight up with a AR. I expect to be killed. However if using other lesser used weapons such as a mass diver. Or even nades. Nades WILL kill a heavy. As for balancing (my idea can be very bad). The problem is we skill into different suit types. how about we put SP into suits to get std, adv, or proto. But can use ALL the different suits (heavies, scouts etc.). Personally I am fine with the way things are. Heavies are tanks. Scouts are DPS, Logi are healers..w/e (no idea about assaults) But I think my idea would be satisfactory to all the people. It doesn't nerf anything and gives access to all.


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