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GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:47:00 -
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Taken from: EVE-DUST 514 Link FAQ
Quote:What about missiles? Why canGÇÖt I fire ze missiles?
ThereGÇÖs a number of reasons for missiles being an inappropriate delivery mechanism of tactical orbit-to-ground munitions. For one missiles are easily countered by Planetary Defence Systems. On the other hand, the maximum velocity of a ballistic missile descending from orbit without tearing itself apart is relatively so low that it would take minutes for it to reach the ground. This could be solved by manufacturing missiles with a built-in micro-warp drive, but that would cause the manufacturing price of the missile to sky-rocket, and besides, utilizing a warp drive so close to a planet surface is at best an interesting experiment and at worst catastrophic.
Obviously, the scientific idea against using a microwarp drive, to my thinking anyway, is that if the math was a little off, the missile would explode beneath the planet's crust, which could make it all go a little topsy turvy.
Would it work if missiles blasted at a speed significantly faster and had a built-in inertia dampener and computer systems for the detection of distance, so as to activate the inertia dampener when it gets however close?
Or how about a shield chip installed to the missiles so as to keep them compact and protecting them from being torn apart by the speed at which it's traveling into the atmosphere? Again, would need to be blasted at a higher speed so as to avoid planetary defense systems.
Or parachutes. NASA have been doing it for a long time now.
Or how about if they were fitted with tracking disruptors to counter planetary defense systems.
Or, and it's a bit crazy but, before the primary group of missiles being blasted down on to the planet, one was shot into the atmosphere to cause an interference for any defense system tracking. Kind of like what would happen if a nuclear missile were to explode in Earth's atmosphere, it would cause a massive electromagnetic interference for our radio and communications. This, too, is another idea for countering.
Quote:but that would cause the manufacturing price of the missile to sky-rocket
Perhaps not if they were a specialised missile.
Just some thoughts really... |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:51:00 -
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Your solutions don't get around the "For one missiles are easily countered by Planetary Defence Systems" aspect. |
GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:54:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Your solutions don't get around the "For one missiles are easily countered by Planetary Defence Systems" aspect.
Yeah, I forgot to write them so I just added them as you posted this. But the shields idea kind of does. Also the first one does as they would be traveling at a speed the defense systems wouldn't be able to track by the time it touches the surface and explodes. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:42:00 -
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GarryKE wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:Your solutions don't get around the "For one missiles are easily countered by Planetary Defence Systems" aspect. Yeah, I forgot to write them so I just added them as you posted this. But the shields idea kind of does. Also the first one does as they would be traveling at a speed the defense systems wouldn't be able to track by the time it touches the surface and explodes.
once you hit around mach 100 the atmosphere is pretty much a brick wall. You need the warhead to arrive, and it has to be slow enough not to incinerate from atmospheric contact... OR... have a way to counter ground based interception.
there's no happy medium here.
but Kinetic energy weapons (metal slug in a railgun, can anyone say tactical hybrid ammo?) are perfectly viable and largely immune to interception. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:47:00 -
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Hey just to let you all know I just swung by the lab,
The eggheads are trying to shrink the micro warp drive to be a suitable tactical missile. This would eat much of the missile body room for the reactor mass and the complex computer systems to manage the very limited warhead.
They said they figured out that using a MWD punches a hole though the atmosphere getting rid of the friction and massively increasing speed.
They think they can get these rolled out in the next months for orbital testing. |
Drado Arona
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:50:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:GarryKE wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:Your solutions don't get around the "For one missiles are easily countered by Planetary Defence Systems" aspect. Yeah, I forgot to write them so I just added them as you posted this. But the shields idea kind of does. Also the first one does as they would be traveling at a speed the defense systems wouldn't be able to track by the time it touches the surface and explodes. once you hit around mach 100 the atmosphere is pretty much a brick wall. You need the warhead to arrive, and it has to be slow enough not to incinerate from atmospheric contact... OR... have a way to counter ground based interception. there's no happy medium here. but Kinetic energy weapons (metal slug in a railgun, can anyone say tactical hybrid ammo?) are perfectly viable and largely immune to interception.
But it still doesn't make sense why the slug doesn't melt / fly off course because of the friction. Equally so for the lasers heating up and exploding the bloody atmosphere.
It doesn't have to be realistic because in honesty all of the reasons for lasers, hybrids and the whatnot working are all insane stuff that would destroy more then 10 meters around impact zone. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.30 08:25:00 -
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Drado Arona wrote:
But it still doesn't make sense why the slug doesn't melt / fly off course because of the friction. Equally so for the lasers heating up and exploding the bloody atmosphere.
It doesn't have to be realistic because in honesty all of the reasons for lasers, hybrids and the whatnot working are all insane stuff that would destroy more then 10 meters around impact zone.
2 tons of inert, solid nickel-iron tends to not break up and melt as fast as your average precision-built missile with a sensitive guidance system and a lot of empty space inside.
of course, 2 tons of nickel-iron hitting the ground from orbit at relativistic speeds from a railgun is basically a nuke without the radiation or EMP. |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:15:00 -
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one difference I noticed right off when cooking batches of tactical projectiles and hybrid rounds is that they all require the EVE mineral Morphite in their construction. Tac laser crystals do as well.
Morphite:
Morphite is a highly unorthodox mineral that can only be found in the hard-to-get Mercoxit ore. It is hard to use Morphite as a basic building material, but when it is joined with existing structures it can enhance the performance and durability manifold. This astounding quality makes this the material responsible for ushering in a new age in technology breakthroughs.
My theory there would be that the outer casing of projectile and hybrids may be a Morphite-hardened shell to help it survive the tremendous speed and friction of atmospheric entry, although not sure what their purpose would be in lasers.
One idea for an explanation on how to allow missiles is to use MIRV warheads on them, quickly multiplying the number of targets that a defense network would have to intercept and deal with, mix in decoys and jammers in each missiles MIRV load and its more likely something would get through.
On the ground that may mean a big and kinda random strike pattern though, dunno. |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:15:00 -
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i think i've got like almost 400,000 rounds of different types of Tactical ammunition cooked for now. |
Jackof All-Trades
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:39:00 -
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Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:i think i've got like almost 400,000 rounds of different types of Tactical ammunition cooked for now.
My previously sound stores of ammo suddenly look pitiful. |
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