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Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 169	Posted - 2013.01.29 11:25:00 - [1] - Quote Okay, I was working on this for a long time since August and it's gone through a lot of revisions, edits, changes, revamps, and such. Constant changes with the game have lead to constant changes with the planner as well. I had wanted to share this earlier but as I wanted to be safe about it I had to wait to Open Beta to share this document to the web and thus with all of you. Character Skill Planner by Chankk Saotome If there are still adjustments needed I'd like to know. Any feedback to better this would be helpful. I apologize for the mess of a function in order to calculate things out but it's the easiest thing I could come up with. Yes, I call that monstrosity easy. -0 represents skills unavailable as the prerequisite skills and related levels have not been achieved according to the chart. ____________ A strong man can do many things, but the strongest knows he can't do everything alone.
Musta Tornius BetaMax. 265	Posted - 2013.01.29 15:54:00 - [2] - Quote Hello it's looking good and I'd like to use it but it seems you have set up the access incorrectly as I'm not able to input any skill values. Either that or I'm doing something incorrectly?
Vaerana Myshtana ScIdama Endless Renaissance 198	Posted - 2013.01.29 16:25:00 - [3] - Quote I think you have to hit File > Make a Copy..., which saves it to your account and lets you make changes.
Musta Tornius BetaMax. 265	Posted - 2013.01.29 20:09:00 - [4] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: I think you have to hit File > Make a Copy..., which saves it to your account and lets you make changes. +1 Thank you, should have checked the file options first :P
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 169	Posted - 2013.01.30 08:43:00 - [5] - Quote I apologize for not really knowing how to do all that. I don't use Google Docs but it seemed the easiest way was to just upload the thing. I wasn't sure of how to post it up so people could edit it without changing the original. On that note, it had been suggested I protect this thing, keep functions and calculations hidden, but honestly I just want people to have all this stuff that I've known for months now and hopefully help better it. That was always my goal before my long sabbatical (I've been pretty much gone since Christmas, only popping in to take advantage of some events, or restart my characters... missed out on stocking up AUR gear before the price changes, little flustered by that but at least my main has everything, which would now cost hundreds of thousands of AUR.... which is of course CCP's intent to make money, I support the concept though it does slow down startup ISK stockpiling having to restock even those militia suits for newbloods) Anyway, went way off track there. Just hoping this can help some people and even moreso hoping that people can help make it better. As stated, to actually USE the document, you'll have to save your own copy of it which you can then edit to see how many SP you'll need for various skill trees and levels as well as related prerequisite skills and levels. My own personal version actually has text elements for every skill to tell me, "Hey, you need X skill at X level" but Google Docs doesn't like SUM functions with text in the field. Always calculates as a FALSE or Err... Really sorry about that, but as you're getting it yourself, you can read up all the prerequisites and replace the various, -0's throughout with "Unavailable" or "X level X required".... Also, hate all those 0's, but again, with the calculating text bit, it wouldn't calculate out "null" or "-".... I'm sure this makes sense to people who do spreadsheets, I'm writing this and I can barely understand it myself. As with so many of my posts: TL;DR Sorry it's not user-friendly without saving your own copy. Just take advantage of it and if you have ideas to make it better let me know. ____________ A strong man can do many things, but the strongest knows he can't do everything alone.
Jackof All-Trades Bojo's School of the Trades 78	Posted - 2013.01.31 04:46:00 - [6] - Quote Every single skill in the game muahahaha. Noticing you're focusing on core skills. That's good, but fitting skills are good too (I always have my fitting skills as first priority).
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 169	Posted - 2013.01.31 10:03:00 - [7] - Quote This isn't my character's chart, just a blank general one. I keep the passive core ones highlighted gold (immediate goals) as I do with all skills I hope to obtain. Once I have at least the book I change it to light purple to know that I not only have that skill available, but also have the book purchased already. My own personal preference on colors, but I thought I should post it with those in there as the numbers can be very overwhelming when it's all in black and white. It's a total nightmare when you actually have it charted out with all the functions listed rather than their outputs for a couple hundred cells as well. Look at that in black and white for half an hour and you're likely to go insane. Luckily I'm already there as my corp, friends, enemies, and anyone who's met me on the field will testify. ____________ A strong man can do many things, but the strongest knows he can't do everything alone.
Lone Luciola CrimeWave Syndicate 1	Posted - 2013.02.03 05:47:00 - [8] - Quote Nice work! thanks for all the information.
D-Rock Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 6	Posted - 2013.02.04 11:27:00 - [9] - Quote Thanks for putting this together, I for one needed something like this to track my SP.
Gorrik Ulthwe Shadow Company HQ 1	Posted - 2013.02.08 09:04:00 - [10] - Quote Great work and very useful, thank you!

addsta01 The Southern Legion 12	Posted - 2013.02.08 16:09:00 - [11] - Quote Great thanks for that
Neb Khonak Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.02.08 19:56:00 - [12] - Quote Nice work! I was considering building one of these myself, then found yours. A helpful tip for those new to Google docs... Freeze the top row and left column under the view tab.
Rom Gate Reaper Galactic 0	Posted - 2013.02.08 23:14:00 - [13] - Quote Thanks, I will be giving this a try!
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 169	Posted - 2013.02.15 13:31:00 - [14] - Quote I forget to mention the column titles: Skill = Skill Name Current = Current skill level Focus = Immediate skill level goal SP Now = SP required to reach immediate goal Long Term = Lifetime skill level goals Total SP = SP required to reach Lifetime goal Multiplier = Skill Multiplier 1~5 = SP required for skill levels 1~5 SP Investment = SP already invested in the skill Total SP = SP required for level 5 of a skill Down at the bottom: Immediate = Total SP required to achieve all Focus skill levels Lifetime = Total SP required to achieve all Lifetime skill levels Current SP = Self Input current total SP Allocated SP = Currently invested SP total Unallocated SP = Available SP for use Really sorry for not including this information in the first place. I feel like an idiot. Corp-mate had to point it out to me. Again, you'll have to save your own copy to use it as I don't know how to allow others to fill in their own data without altering the original... ____________ A strong man can do many things, but the strongest knows he can't do everything alone.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.02.16 11:46:00 - [15] - Quote Useful, new players this could save you a lot of trouble down the line (vets too if you've yet to decide on your build order). Check it out.
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 169	Posted - 2013.02.23 22:30:00 - [16] - Quote I've tried to figure out the GoogleDocs nonsense... Have added protected ranges and opened the 3 main fields, Current (current skill level), Focus (immediate goals), and Long Term (lifetime goals) for editing by any viewer... not entirely sure how this will work but it's yours to play with as you will on the site itself now I suppose.
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 161	Posted - 2013.02.24 20:47:00 - [17] - Quote If it's cool with you, I'd like to include this sheet in my project listing all dust gear, to calculate SP investment required for any particular item and for a particular fitting. If any of the SP values change, I'd post here to let you know so both sheets remain up to date.
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 169	Posted - 2013.02.25 08:55:00 - [18] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: If it's cool with you, I'd like to include this sheet in my project listing all dust gear, to calculate SP investment required for any particular item and for a particular fitting. If any of the SP values change, I'd post here to let you know so both sheets remain up to date. I don't mind you using the numbers but would rather keep the planner as and where it is. You're welcome to link to it if you'd like.
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 161	Posted - 2013.02.25 09:21:00 - [19] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: If it's cool with you, I'd like to include this sheet in my project listing all dust gear, to calculate SP investment required for any particular item and for a particular fitting. If any of the SP values change, I'd post here to let you know so both sheets remain up to date. I don't mind you using the numbers but would rather keep the planner as and where it is. You're welcome to link to it if you'd like. I probably didn't explain well enough. I wasn't intending to absorb it, just use the numbers and seeing as I'll be checking numbers on gear/skills for changes anyway, let you know if any numbers need updating.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 281	Posted - 2013.02.25 10:12:00 - [20] - Quote I tried using something like a planner before, it is good indeed, but what I found to mess mine up was the evolution and progress of the players around me.

KalOfTheRathi CowTek 168	Posted - 2013.02.25 11:29:00 - [21] - Quote A very good effort. Thank you.
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 169	Posted - 2013.02.25 11:44:00 - [22] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Chankk Saotome wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: If it's cool with you, I'd like to include this sheet in my project listing all dust gear, to calculate SP investment required for any particular item and for a particular fitting. If any of the SP values change, I'd post here to let you know so both sheets remain up to date. I don't mind you using the numbers but would rather keep the planner as and where it is. You're welcome to link to it if you'd like. I probably didn't explain well enough. I wasn't intending to absorb it, just use the numbers and seeing as I'll be checking numbers on gear/skills for changes anyway, let you know if any numbers need updating. That would be awesome actually. I've updated this with BIG changes... i.e. builds (I have been doing this since 0.5 back in August), and then again when the NDA was lifted just to make sure it was all up to date. Unfortunately, I don't sit down and re-examine it very often as I have too many other things going on. My General Tactics Overview articles... Actually playing my character, keeping my corp mates and allies running matches.... OH, and that real life thing... where you have to go out and spend 9 hours a day not going berserk and punching the person in the face sitting at the desk next to yours to make money to keep eating.
Eewhen Nisala Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.01 22:49:00 - [23] - Quote Impressive, thanks for the work. Keeping an eye on it.
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 196	Posted - 2013.03.14 11:48:00 - [24] - Quote Eewhen Nisala wrote: Impressive, thanks for the work. Keeping an eye on it. You're welcome... This isn't a completely shameless self-bump... Honest. Actually, I've been re-checking this now with rumors about a new build up and coming. I have a lot of other things to work on at the moment which is why the G.T.O. post hasn't had any more data added to it though that could be a whole book in its own right still without all the future adjustments and effects we're likely to see. Anyway... Will be keeping an eye on this along with skills and equipment adjustments possibly soon to come. I will say one thing... As a Logi, at 3.2mil SP I'm just short of being a very solid archetypal logi setup and I'll tell you proper field logis are far more skill-intensive than most other classes. I only make this comment because I've heard a lot of complaints by new players that the "oldberries" or "vets" have such a huge lead that they'll never make up or catch up to. Honestly, though this may be true for some, it's just fallacy to imagine that newberries will never be as good as the older guys. At 3mil, unless you've been spreading yourself all over the place, you can and should have a very, VERY solid setup. At 5mil you're virtually done with your character minus minor tweaks and improvements (with which come increased ISK expenditures as well, take note). Just some friendly advice to anyone feeling a bit lost in the game or like they'll never be as good as some others, and a small anecdote: My suits are generally 0-20k ISK per. I've run totally free-suit matches (on Militia BPOs, but you could just use ISK militia gear as well) and come out at the top of a winning crew. Skills and gear are a benefit and aide but they don't mean you're going to win over actual game ability and skill, which doesn't necessarily mean "gun game" either. Maybe my next post on the General Tactics Overview should be a little motivational speech... __________ A strong man can do many things, But the strongest knows he cannot do everything alone.
K1sm3t H Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation 0	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:02:00 - [25] - Quote Great spreadsheet, very useful. Unfortunately, some dbag troll has messed with it a bit. I'm pretty familiar with excel and got mine fixed up, but you might need to do a clean up. I don't know if you can protect the original online from editing somehow.
Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 224	Posted - 2013.05.09 09:22:00 - [26] - Quote And there it is, the new UPRISING Skill Planner. Updated and based on a collapsed node listing of skills rather than alphabetical listing to simplify prerequisite searches... kind of. You'll have to save or download your own copy. I Google Docs is a mess and I don't have time to figure it all out. __________ A strong man can do many things, But the strongest knows he cannot do everything alone.
hydraSlav's Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 102	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:05:00 - [27] - Quote Thanks Chankk Also, what are those skills in brackets?
Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 238	Posted - 2013.05.10 09:20:00 - [28] - Quote hydraSlav's wrote: Thanks Chankk Also, what are those skills in brackets? About a third of the Dropsuit skills are just predictions. Brackets means I'm assuming that's where those suit types will fall. From hearing all the news and speeches and showings from Fanfest I think we all predict a Commando (Heavy with 2 L slots over H/S) being another Heavy racial spec... and a Pilot suit likely being the second Light racial spec. I'm also working on adding in skill data and effects to show what specific bonuses you'll be getting from each skill and thus their modification of various suit, vehicle, and module stats. I know this is already in a couple fittings tools but I thought it might be nice to see in my skill planner as well of which there's at least 1 other out there, probably 2 now for Uprising... I haven't checked their functions on SP calculations and skill availability though. I'd like to know if someone did it cleaner than my own.
Furrow33 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:02:00 - [29] - Quote At first it completely confused me. Now I understand how it works and where to enter things. This is great. Thanks a lot for this.
Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 255	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:47:00 - [30] - Quote Furrow33 wrote: At first it completely confused me. Now I understand how it works and where to enter things. This is great. Thanks a lot for this. I was always afraid of this to be honest... All those numbers. Very scary. And I made the bloody thing. I need to figure out drop-boxes for spreadsheets. Those might be easier to use... and then hide the actual skill cost numbers block to the right to just leave it looking like: [Skill Name]__[Skill Description]__[Current Skill lvl]__[Skill Bonus % if applicable]__[Skill Goal lvl]__[Goal SP Cost]



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