Just because someone has similar skill points to you. Doesn't mean they have the same skill as you. Iv never been near the top of the sp barrier. I play maybe 6 hours a week. But I still normally come top or very near, even if the players with me/against me have more sp's.


Sooooo your point is mute.

Actually you mean "moot" as we all just read him articulating his point.

Just because someone has similar skill points to you. Doesn't mean they have the same skill as you. Iv never been near the top of the sp barrier. I play maybe 6 hours a week. But I still normally come top or very near, even if the players with me/against me have more sp's.


Sooooo your point is mute.

Thanks for the grammar lesson

And articulating my point is not crime if it differs with the OP's

This is true but I don't think it invalidates my point. You can still do really well in a pub match if you're not the highest SPd player in the game but what I'm really talking about is the potential for hardcore players to really run away with the game as they hit the proto gear in a month or so's time.

It's also vastly a factor of who you're up against. You'd notice the difference if you were up against decent players with a million more SP than you, even if you do well, you're still likely to not do as well as them unless they're just bad players.

That said, having put thousands of hours in doesn't automatically make you amazing at football; you still have to be good at playing.

Why all the crying about catching up? This game is going to be persistent for years to come. There are new EVE pilots every day... after ten years. DUST will be no different. There will be a place for everyone, newbros and vets alike.

Game modes will evolve. Tactics will evolve. Imagine large scale war zones. Newbros will be useful, just as they are in EVE today.

With all the fuss over SP caps and whatnot lately I was just thinking of a way to relate Dust514 to a real life situation - so, let's think of this game like a sport (because in a way, it kinda is).

Think of playing FPS games like the sport of football (or soccer for those who mean something else when they say football).

Now anyone can play football just like anyone can play a FPS game. You can grab a ball and just go kick around in the street - this is like playing an ordinary FPS game like COD for instance. You don't need to have put in any time or effort to just have a quick kickaround.

Dust is a step up from normal FPS games; it requires time and effort just like if you wanted to take playing football from the streets to playing with a team or trying to go pro. To make that next step you have to spend a lot of time training, going to the gym, and maybe even buy some decent kit.

The people at the top of the sport, say in the English Premier League, are there after spending thousands of hours working at it. Nobody, not even the most talented player, can go straight from playing on the street to playing in the Premiership. In Dust, anyone can jump in and play; there's nothing stopping you. However, if you want to be able to compete against the top players, you have to put in the same amount of time and effort but it's still going to take years to catch up on all the extra time and effort they've already put in.

My point is: why should it be somehow arranged that a person could go from low level to competing with someone at a high level who's already put in so much more time? That's not realistic. If you can only put in a couple of hours a week into playing, you're not ever going to stand a chance against someone who plays all day every day. This is not punishing you for doing other things - this is realism.

If you don't make football basically your whole life, you're not going to be a premiership footballer. But that's okay; maybe you want to be a chef or a teacher or something else. Nothing wrong with that but don't ***** and moan that you can't compete against Lionel Messi because he gets to play 24/7.

Now I obviously understand that the way Dust works at the moment it is quite easy for a premiership player to be chucked in a game with a bunch of randoms in a park but that is not the ultimate vision, so give it time. Besides, no one would whine about Robin Van Persie scoring a bunch of goals in a game with randoms - they'd just accept that he's better because he's been doing it more for longer.

But but, I won't have equal SP as everyone else if they're doing better, so let's limit the soft cap so they don't become OP.

If my starter fits turned to bpc's with only 50 each total and I'm only going to play once a week and lose 70 suits sniff sniff how will I ever compete with having to pay isk for a suit, snuffles, 1,100 isk is OP and sniff these basement dwellers sniff sniff have 40 million in their wallets with good Mooney maaanagmeeeeent (breaks into uncontrollable weeping.)

QQ ur OP

With all the fuss over SP caps and whatnot lately I was just thinking of a way to relate Dust514 to a real life situation - so, let's think of this game like a sport (because in a way, it kinda is).

Think of playing FPS games like the sport of football (or soccer for those who mean something else when they say football).

Now anyone can play football just like anyone can play a FPS game. You can grab a ball and just go kick around in the street - this is like playing an ordinary FPS game like COD for instance. You don't need to have put in any time or effort to just have a quick kickaround.

Dust is a step up from normal FPS games; it requires time and effort just like if you wanted to take playing football from the streets to playing with a team or trying to go pro. To make that next step you have to spend a lot of time training, going to the gym, and maybe even buy some decent kit.

The people at the top of the sport, say in the English Premier League, are there after spending thousands of hours working at it. Nobody, not even the most talented player, can go straight from playing on the street to playing in the Premiership. In Dust, anyone can jump in and play; there's nothing stopping you. However, if you want to be able to compete against the top players, you have to put in the same amount of time and effort but it's still going to take years to catch up on all the extra time and effort they've already put in.

My point is: why should it be somehow arranged that a person could go from low level to competing with someone at a high level who's already put in so much more time? That's not realistic. If you can only put in a couple of hours a week into playing, you're not ever going to stand a chance against someone who plays all day every day. This is not punishing you for doing other things - this is realism.

If you don't make football basically your whole life, you're not going to be a premiership footballer. But that's okay; maybe you want to be a chef or a teacher or something else. Nothing wrong with that but don't ***** and moan that you can't compete against Lionel Messi because he gets to play 24/7.

Now I obviously understand that the way Dust works at the moment it is quite easy for a premiership player to be chucked in a game with a bunch of randoms in a park but that is not the ultimate vision, so give it time. Besides, no one would whine about Robin Van Persie scoring a bunch of goals in a game with randoms - they'd just accept that he's better because he's been doing it more for longer.

Good and valid points...only one MAJOR flaw in this analogy.

You get paid to play a sport well

You have to pay to play a game

Some of us don't get mommy and daddy's money or stay single our whole lives to enable us to do whatever we want. So if CCP wants to start paying me to play this game as my JOB then I will invest as much time as the no lifers into the game, but since that won't happen then why not try to balance a game for EVERYONE instead of the vocal minority that wants instant gratification.

I applaud CCP for asking everyone's opinion on this matter, but whatever lame argument or analogy you come up with to justify making a game better for one little group of players I can come up with a counter.

Just be honest like Proto and say I WANT MORE SP. He may whine about it, but at least he doesn't make lame analogies that are only remotely related.(though he does try to mislead the masses by making untrue statements, but he knows they're not true.)

Your 'one MAJOR flaw' is totally irrelevant. You only get paid to play sport at the upper levels. At the low levels you actually have to put your own money in, pay for training, buy your own kit, pay your own gym memberships, etc. Besides the MAJOR point that this is a free to play game - you don't have to pay anything at all to play.

And I will be honest - I don't care about SP. I like the fact that I'm limited to how much time I can productively play each day otherwise I would waste so much time that I could spend on more worthwhile things.

The entire point of my analogy is that people who play a sport all the time for thousands of hours deserve to be better than the people that can only manage to play a few hours a week. If you really want to devote your life to playing Dust, fair play to you, whatever happens there will never be a way to stop you. Just because you can't or won't play as much as the 'no-lifers' doesn't mean you should have some magic way of catching them up in the few hours you play - that would be like taking drugs to become a stronger cyclist!