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faolan aneon
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.27 01:15:00 -
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I wanted to collect some data on some of you out there that use gaming mice and dust. My question is what are your CPI settings at and what do you typically run with in game with those settings? |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:38:00 -
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I'll be honest,while I use my mouse sometimes(it's a Logitech G5) I'm not very well versed on the settings.I like the speed and sensitivity that it provides,but the one thing that is just a major disappointment right now is the lack of functionality from the thumb button.
I like to use the Dual Shock in my left hand,because i don't like the kb,so it would be nice if I could map my thumb button to jump,since I don't use to that with my hand off of the X button. |
Fazel Mercader
Infinite Outcomes
2
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:10:00 -
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I use keyboard / mouse. Settings all set just the same as anny FPS game I'd play on PC and it works fine. Only thing that's the problem though is when manning turrets. Then I go back to the controller. |
Schazla
WarRavens
159
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:11:00 -
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I use the Logibro MX 518. |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.27 20:21:00 -
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faolan aneon wrote:I wanted to collect some data on some of you out there that use gaming mice and dust. My question is what are your CPI settings at and what do you typically run with in game with those settings?
This is a great question. You'll probably get a number of answers, but you should see a difference between MMO, RTS, and FPS gamers. MMO gamers want a high DPI mouse with multiple buttons for key bindings. RTS also needs high DPI, but multiple buttons are meh. For RTS I used to use a Logitech G9x, which I absolutely loved until it broke.
Good FPS gamers use a different mouse. Accuracy and precision are significantly more important to FPS players. The difference of being even one pixel off your target can result in death. This is why most FPS players choose optical mice. Some even use mice with a ball.
Laser sensors are (unfortunately) not as accurate as optical sensors. Most modern mice have memory and attempt to predict movement and/or have acceleration. This is BAD. FPS gaming requires muscle memory, and having a mouse that constantly changes its speed prevents your body from learning one consistent motion.
The polling speed of your mouse is more important than DPI. Polling speed is how frequently the computer "asks" the mouse where it is. The default on Windows asks the mouse where it is every 8ms. That means that if you move your mouse, the computer will not know you moved the mouse until 8ms later. This is bad for a fluid motion. If you try this in MS Paint, you'll get slightly jagged lines when your draw a circle at a low polling speed if you turn off prediction and acceleration. This is why most mice have prediction.
For normal computing activities, you'll want to draw a nice "circle". Since the computer checks the mouse at certain intervals of time, it uses your motion to predict where your mouse will be in 8ms, and some go even farther. As you can imagine, letting your pointer in a FPS game move on its own after you stop moving your hand will cause some serious aiming problems.
Higher polling speed (500 or even 1,000 hz) will smooth out the movement of your mouse, making it better mimic the motion of your hand. FPS gaming is about making fluid and steady motions. A mouse that jitters and jerks around is ._.
I made a post here asking what the default polling speed on the PS3 is, and if it could be changed. I noticed that my motions were not as fluid as they are on a PC. (never used a mouse on a PS3 before lol.) The PS3's default speed on USB ports appears to be 100hz, which sucks. It also reduces the need for high dpi mice because the computer cannot register movement. Wireless mice are fail because they have a slow polling speed that can never be changed.
In case you're wondering, I use Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a. I know other FPS gamers like IntelliMouse, IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 and Razer Deathadder. There are various new mice that come on to the market every now and then. You can do some more research into the new ones if you desire. The nice thing about WMOs is that they can be picked up for $10-15 USD new.
In FPS games I have 400 dpi. RTS definitely benefit from the super high DPI mice. Turret rotation on vehicles and installations is much slower on a mouse at 400 dpi than a controller. This guy is 100% tank with no points in infantry, my alts are infantry. Just to test my mouse, I made a character, and in less than 24 hours after creation and a few hours of play time, I sniped 100/0. Never left a game, and I never died. Head shots ftw.
I hope this helps you ^_^ |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.27 20:22:00 -
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I'll get a bluetooth keyboard soonish too. Right now I just use a controller in my left hand and a mouse in my right.
edit: I feel like I should mention that some of the best players on Dust use a controller, and not a keyboard and mouse. This choice is more about preference. Personally, I do not like the PS3 controller for FPS games. Xbox controller is much better. Given the choice, I am more comfortable using a mouse over the controller. |
Starfire Revo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2013.01.27 22:08:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Higher polling speed (500 or even 1,000 hz) will smooth out the movement of your mouse, making it better mimic the motion of your hand. FPS gaming is about making fluid and steady motions. A mouse that jitters and jerks around is ._.
I've actually had the opposite experience with polling rates. For a long time I had my Razer Abyssus set to 125 hz. Upon realizing this, the switch to 1000 hz just felt super slow and I'd have to move my hand halfway across the desk to turn around. For something like Quake, I can understand wanting that extra smoothness, but I find being able to turn faster with less motion much better for Dust. |
Shyeer Alvarin
Dead Six Initiative
45
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Posted - 2013.01.27 22:47:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=496748#post496748
Just gonna leave that there for people with sensitivity problems on their mice. |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:09:00 -
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Starfire Revo wrote:For a long time I had my Razer Abyssus set to 125 hz. Upon realizing this, the switch to 1000 hz just felt super slow
Is that on PS3 or PC? D: |
Starfire Revo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:59:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Starfire Revo wrote:For a long time I had my Razer Abyssus set to 125 hz. Upon realizing this, the switch to 1000 hz just felt super slow Is that on PS3 or PC? D:
PS3, I use the same type of mouse on my PC but with 1000 hz (both set to 1800dpi). |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.28 05:04:00 -
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Starfire Revo wrote:PS3, I use the same type of mouse on my PC but with 1000 hz (both set to 1800dpi).
Sweet! Thanks for the info. Looks like I have more testing to do :O. Personally, I play at lower dpi (400) for more accuracy/control. Scrambler pistols ftw. |
fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
213
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Posted - 2013.01.28 10:25:00 -
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Fazel Mercader wrote:I use keyboard / mouse. Settings all set just the same as anny FPS game I'd play on PC and it works fine. Only thing that's the problem though is when manning turrets. Then I go back to the controller.
that and piloting dropships |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
72
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Posted - 2013.01.28 11:25:00 -
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Quote:This is a great question. You'll probably get a number of answers, but you should see a difference between MMO, RTS, and FPS gamers. MMO gamers want a high DPI mouse with multiple buttons for key bindings. RTS also needs high DPI, but multiple buttons are meh. For RTS I used to use a Logitech G9x, which I absolutely loved until it broke.
Good FPS gamers use a different mouse. Accuracy and precision are significantly more important to FPS players. The difference of being even one pixel off your target can result in death. This is why most FPS players choose optical mice. Some even use mice with a ball.
Laser sensors are (unfortunately) not as accurate as optical sensors. Most modern mice have memory and attempt to predict movement and/or have acceleration. This is BAD. FPS gaming requires muscle memory, and having a mouse that constantly changes its speed prevents your body from learning one consistent motion.
The polling speed of your mouse is more important than DPI. Polling speed is how frequently the computer "asks" the mouse where it is. The default on Windows asks the mouse where it is every 8ms. That means that if you move your mouse, the computer will not know you moved the mouse until 8ms later. This is bad for a fluid motion. If you try this in MS Paint, you'll get slightly jagged lines when your draw a circle at a low polling speed if you turn off prediction and acceleration. This is why most mice have prediction.
For normal computing activities, you'll want to draw a nice "circle". Since the computer checks the mouse at certain intervals of time, it uses your motion to predict where your mouse will be in 8ms, and some go even farther. As you can imagine, letting your pointer in a FPS game move on its own after you stop moving your hand will cause some serious aiming problems.
Higher polling speed (500 or even 1,000 hz) will smooth out the movement of your mouse, making it better mimic the motion of your hand. FPS gaming is about making fluid and steady motions. A mouse that jitters and jerks around is ._.
I made a post here asking what the default polling speed on the PS3 is, and if it could be changed. I noticed that my motions were not as fluid as they are on a PC. (never used a mouse on a PS3 before lol.) The PS3's default speed on USB ports appears to be 100hz, which sucks. It also reduces the need for high dpi mice because the computer cannot register movement. Wireless mice are fail because they have a slow polling speed that can never be changed.
In case you're wondering, I use Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a. I know other FPS gamers like IntelliMouse, IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 and Razer Deathadder. There are various new mice that come on to the market every now and then. You can do some more research into the new ones if you desire. The nice thing about WMOs is that they can be picked up for $10-15 USD new.
In FPS games I have 400 dpi. RTS definitely benefit from the super high DPI mice. Turret rotation on vehicles and installations is much slower on a mouse at 400 dpi than a controller. This guy is 100% tank with no points in infantry, my alts are infantry. Just to test my mouse, I made a character, and in less than 24 hours after creation and a few hours of play time, I sniped 100/0. Never left a game, and I never died. Head shots ftw.
I hope this helps you ^_^
Depends really on the person, myself i have always played FPS games on as much sensitivity as possible, if i move my mouse 1 cm to the left, ive done 360 degrees, usually in FPS games you can also increase or decrease the aiming mode sensitivity, in dust this is not possible (for me they need to be near equal speeds). I got mouse set to 100 in dust and its still not enough for me, but it seems i cant use any of the mouse hardware settings on the PS3.
So to me personally, when i aim and i gotta use 20 cm of pad to track a running player i start to miss, allot. Otherwise 1 cm of any direction is all i need to have pin point accuracy.
It will take time to get used to these low sense Dust settings for me. |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:41:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:if i move my mouse 1 cm to the left, ive done 360 degrees
You must have played UT ^_^. I've switched around a number of times. Fortunately I've gotten used to lower sensitivity, but I thought this game would feel like UT. When I played UT I didn't use 1 cm, I used like 3, but same idea... can do a 360 degree turn without moving the wrist.
edit: this is exciting! From forums and in game, I thought everyone in this game just played Eve and other mmos. I had no idea there were other FPS players here! |
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Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.01.28 21:31:00 -
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edit pls delete wrong post |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:48:00 -
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Logitect G5 with my DPI set to 400, 450 and 800.
Game sensitivity set to 80 mouse smoothing off.
450 for running and gunning. 800 for Blaster tanks and turrets.
Combo of controller and mouse for railgun turrets.
Hopefully you aren't collecting data so you can be another console kiddie crying to have KB/M support removed. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:49:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Logitect G5 with my DPI set to 400, 450 and 800.
Game sensitivity set to 80 mouse smoothing off.
450 for running and gunning. 800 for Blaster tanks and turrets.
Combo of controller and mouse for railgun turrets.
Hopefully you aren't collecting data so you can be another console kiddie crying to have KB/M support removed.
On an unrelated note, are you able to connect to the servers right now Beld? |
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