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Bhor Derri
Legion of Eden
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Posted - 2012.12.30 10:52:00 -
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I'll cut right into the topic the scout is broken at the core , and like the heavies they need a buff.
In heavies you pay for the armor but in scouts you pay for literally nothing as heavies can spot you from 200 meters
Shotguns got a nerf of some sort you get stomped due to hit detection issues and low damage
They are still not fast enough and very easy to hit.
Because of this The only place where I see scouts now is redline hills. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2012.12.30 10:53:00 -
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scouts are fine, I still shotgun people to death. |
Noraa Anderson
Nox Aeterna Security
184
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Posted - 2012.12.30 11:14:00 -
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You're joking, right OP?
We need to cut it with all this buff/nerf crap. |
aden slayer
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.12.30 11:42:00 -
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Soon there will be a thread called "nerf everything". |
Bane Nrahk
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.12.30 13:12:00 -
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Shotgun only saving Scout suit.
Scout suit only suit that has chance with only one gun. |
Eflin Trollunge
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.12.30 13:29:00 -
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yknow for a sec there I almost agreed with you.
I do okay in scout suit with SMG
my only complaint about scouts is that right now scouts feel to much like "scouts" from other FPS
aka scout has nothing to do with what they do.
assassination and hacking. These are things "scouts" in most other games do
come on give us overwatch.
instead of the motion detector from aliens give a decide that is more of a HUD implant that sends map and enemy data to allies.
maybe for example if you have this decide and you keep an enemy in your field of view then he appears as a silhouette to allies even through walls and hills. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.30 16:49:00 -
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You could aswell put a laser rifle on it and dictate distance with the speed of the scout suit. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.30 17:10:00 -
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Scouts are fine when you use them as scouts- they're even better this build now that the silhouette glitch is done for.
Strength of scouts isn't meant to be in broken hit detection- they're strength is meant to be in staying unseen, yet being able to see everyone else. I'm running a scout this build, and it's amazing.
One game (as a shotgun scout with drop uplinks; I was using a basic profile dampener too) I went 0-3, but ended up on the top of my team's leader-board at the end with 675 WP. Every single WP was either from sneaking in and hacking under the other team's nose, or my team spawning on my well-placed uplinks. |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2012.12.30 21:24:00 -
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I've had a lot of success in Codex with SMG scouts, but not as effective this build due to SMG handling changes. My shotgun and mass driver scouts are doing much better. Shotgun scouts can close the gap to most effective range and mass driver due to the ability to use cover.
Scouts in Dust 514 pretty much follow the nano philosophy of ships in Eve Online, relying on its ability to force missed shots (getting to cover or getting away) and light damage being almost instantly repaired between fights. Bar none, scouts get into the next fight on top condition faster than other suits.
Caveat: poor connections will struggle with good movement that this type of scout needs to live.
So no, red line snipers and drop link droppers are not their only role. |
Xander Mercy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
91
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Posted - 2012.12.30 21:28:00 -
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clearly u never seen Calamity Jane or Howdidthattaste on the battlefield scouts and heavies are fine the way they are |
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.30 21:52:00 -
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Um, no. Scout suits are just fine as they are.
1. Use cover. If they are spotting you from 200 meters away, you are doing it wrong.
2. Use profile dampeners. Back in the Codex build they were useless because of the shadow rendering issue. But that issue has been resolved now with the Chromosome build and as a result the profile dampeners and skills are now actually useful for once.
3. Not fast enough? I can sprint two football fields in 20 seconds and that's just with the advanced suit with only enhanced kinetic catalyzer mods. Wait until I get into prototype and fit complex variants. I will make Forest Gump look like an 80-year-old on crutches. Not fast enough... my rear end. I should stab you for saying that.
4. It's not just the redline hills you can find a good scout in. I can run across the open so long as I analyze which path to take and what cover is available along the way before I start running in. The obstructions can give pretty good cover against snipers. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.30 21:55:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:clearly u never seen Calamity Jane or Howdidthattaste on the battlefield scouts and heavies are fine the way they are
Or me for that matter. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.30 22:02:00 -
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Scouts only need a buff in their advanced & prototype suits. Right now they stand alongside heavies as suits offering little to no incentive to go proto.
If their scan profile & movement speed increase from standard, to advanced, to proto, they'd be fine. |
fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
211
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Posted - 2012.12.31 02:55:00 -
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Eflin Trollunge wrote:yknow for a sec there I almost agreed with you.
I do okay in scout suit with SMG
my only complaint about scouts is that right now scouts feel to much like "scouts" from other FPS
aka scout has nothing to do with what they do.
assassination and hacking. These are things "scouts" in most other games do
come on give us overwatch.
instead of the motion detector from aliens give a decide that is more of a HUD implant that sends map and enemy data to allies.
maybe for example if you have this decide and you keep an enemy in your field of view then he appears as a silhouette to allies even through walls and hills.
on that subject a tagging gun would be awsome. you can tag some one and they show up on enemy radar un till they die or a logi reps them. that would be bad ass.
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
211
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Posted - 2012.12.31 03:00:00 -
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a passive speed buff would be nice(not sprint I can upgrade that). |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.12.31 03:13:00 -
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The heavy needs more slots at proto like the other suits. If anything a buff to stamina or scan profile at higher tiers of scout, but I don't think scout needs it. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.31 04:13:00 -
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Bane Nrahk wrote:Shotgun only saving Scout suit.
Scout suit only suit that has chance with only one gun.
Scouts are the best Drop Uplink platform, and a great option to fit with a Repair Tool. SMGs are viable weapons for Scouts, and with a good stealth focus, a Tac or Burst AR or a Sniper can be a good option for long-distance kills or for counter-sniping. Shotguns aren't the only valid use for Scouts, although they're the closest to being an "easy mode" option when you're K/D farming. |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.12.31 05:35:00 -
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Been running scouts for half the last build and ll this build (Other half of last build I spec'd AV for the testers tourny) and I can asure scouts are far from underpowered. There are two types of players that play scouts. Bad players that don't know how to use the scouts strengths and players that do. Also keep in mind 90% of the players at this game are bad to begin with also so some of those players use scouts. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2012.12.31 06:04:00 -
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scouts are not underpowered I can tell you that. They are the king of flank and spank. Use the suits advantages to your advantage. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
194
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Posted - 2012.12.31 07:35:00 -
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Going once with scout and AR. No prob to kill 6 ppl and go for more.
+you see enemy first
+small hit box
+fast regen
Sweet ^^
+ no car accidents
+ no blaster/rail lucky strikes
+ grenades.. what grenades  |
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.31 08:44:00 -
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Oh yes and dont forget the latency issues that we see these days where people teleport around the map. The scout suit and his high mobility increases this effect even more. |
GLOO GLOO
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.12.31 09:16:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Oh yes and dont forget the latency issues that we see these days where people teleport around the map. The scout suit and his high mobility increases this effect even more.
This is our old loving lagswitch !!!! Or seems to be ... |
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