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DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Tony Calif wrote:

There HAS to be gear restricted matches available when the beta goes open. It's just not fair putting newbs out vs all our established corps (who all enjoy using higher tier gear).

#1 way to stop players all rage quitting, provide a range of games with "fair" gear restrictions. Eventually, they'll have enough ISK & gear to go to unrestricted games, but they need to be eased into the game. I still have friends who say Dust is too complicated, simply because there's so much choice. If you know what you want, it's not that complicated (yet). If you're a nOOb, you just want to shoot face. And fighting people with weapons and equipment it'll take you months to get is a deal breaker.

I know the whole "New Eden isn't fair" thing, but it sorta is. Only when you start mind, but normally in EvE, things only seem to get aggressive in Low/Null. I had a 14 day trial, and the NPCs were more aggressive than the players.

Our characters will be getting reset when the open beta rolls around (the next and last reset). So it's not as if there is going to be a bunch of players who have no idea about anything, coming into the game day 1 against teams full of proto players.

They will be severely outmatched in terms of Dust experience, but the gear will be equal (for a little while that is).

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Foley Jones R.I.f.t 122	Posted - 2012.12.24 12:10:00 - [1] - Quote The beta is almost offically open to everyone! Soon as CCP opens the gates we will all be flooded with a hored of players..who will instantly complain about ever detail and say its a rip off of CoD (gotta love those fanboys) but yeah prepare for 95% of your team to be complete nubs... So are you guys excited about the open? Or just not really excited? (Before anyone ask I been in the beta since E3 so about 6 months and this post is really just for lols so please no hate and just a honest comment)
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.12.24 12:13:00 - [2] - Quote May I kindly direct you to thread 'Last build before open beta? Eh :/'
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.12.24 12:18:00 - [3] - Quote I'm pretty sure much of the noobs will leave. That way, only intelligent players will remain and thus make DUST a better experience.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2012.12.24 12:18:00 - [4] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: The beta is almost offically open to everyone! Soon as CCP opens the gates we will all be flooded with a hored of players..who will instantly complain about ever detail and say its a rip off of CoD (gotta love those fanboys) but yeah prepare for 95% of your team to be complete nubs... So are you guys excited about the open? Or just not really excited? (Before anyone ask I been in the beta since E3 so about 6 months and this post is really just for lols so please no hate and just a honest comment) No, im not looking forward to it. the whinethreads are going to go up by a few orders of magnitude. Yes im looking forward to welcoming in all the new players who think this will be scifi COD. I intend to welcome them with a mass driver. i imagine more than a few will believe grenade launcher rounds that detonate on impact are OP and need to bounce around for a few seconds.
Foley Jones R.I.f.t 122	Posted - 2012.12.24 12:25:00 - [5] - Quote Bhor Derri wrote: May I kindly direct you to thread 'Last build before open beta? Eh :/' This thread is for lols so shhhhhh :3
Skag Barron Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2012.12.24 12:25:00 - [6] - Quote I am both looking forward to it and I am not, Looking forward to seeing how it all comes together... not looking forward to all the new company I'm gonna have on the hill
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2012.12.24 12:27:00 - [7] - Quote Wink wink, nudge nudge.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.12.24 13:19:00 - [8] - Quote TBH no i dont want it to go open yet because we still have quite a few problems which need to be fixed
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.12.24 13:29:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I'm pretty sure much of the noobs will leave. That way, only intelligent players will remain and thus make DUST a better experience. Pray not. Everyone here on the forums will be gone for sure, with me at the forefront.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.24 13:31:00 - [10] - Quote All of the people who argue on the forums now will band together to argue against the masses of noobs who will flood our forums

Rugman91 Deep Space Republic 143	Posted - 2012.12.24 13:35:00 - [11] - Quote Let the slaughter begin...although I fear it may be longer than you think
Foley Jones R.I.f.t 122	Posted - 2012.12.24 13:44:00 - [12] - Quote Rugman91 wrote: Let the slaughter begin...although I fear it may be longer than you think Amen
Nest Stein Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 1	Posted - 2012.12.24 14:29:00 - [13] - Quote I honestly think many of them may quit. It's not that Dust is a bad game, but it feels much different than any other FPS I've played. It took me a couple dozen hours to get acquainted with the controls. I almost quit during the learning curve, because I couldn't get the controls down to how I like them.
EGOMAN VIV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2012.12.24 14:39:00 - [14] - Quote don't get your hopes up i sense a delay on open beta and release window
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation 172	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:03:00 - [15] - Quote T_T you just made that negative. Feels like the new Doomsday. D: Open Beta is OP.
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die 33	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:05:00 - [16] - Quote Nest Stein wrote: I honestly think many of them may quit. It's not that Dust is a bad game, but it feels much different than any other FPS I've played. It took me a couple dozen hours to get acquainted with the controls. I almost quit during the learning curve, because I couldn't get the controls down to how I like them. I have a friend who did quit because of the learning curve... I am currently attempting to get said friend to play again.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:18:00 - [17] - Quote There HAS to be gear restricted matches available when the beta goes open. It's just not fair putting newbs out vs all our established corps (who all enjoy using higher tier gear). #1 way to stop players all rage quitting, provide a range of games with "fair" gear restrictions. Eventually, they'll have enough ISK & gear to go to unrestricted games, but they need to be eased into the game. I still have friends who say Dust is too complicated, simply because there's so much choice. If you know what you want, it's not that complicated (yet). If you're a nOOb, you just want to shoot face. And fighting people with weapons and equipment it'll take you months to get is a deal breaker. I know the whole "New Eden isn't fair" thing, but it sorta is. Only when you start mind, but normally in EvE, things only seem to get aggressive in Low/Null. I had a 14 day trial, and the NPCs were more aggressive than the players.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:24:00 - [18] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: The beta is almost offically open to everyone! Soon as CCP opens the gates we will all be flooded with a hored of players..who will instantly complain about ever detail and say its a rip off of CoD (gotta love those fanboys) but yeah prepare for 95% of your team to be complete nubs... So are you guys excited about the open? Or just not really excited? (Before anyone ask I been in the beta since E3 so about 6 months and this post is really just for lols so please no hate and just a honest comment) Im not looking forward to the open beta because I like the community we've built, and like you said people are going to be coming in with the mindset that this is the finished product (blame bf3 glorified demo with beta label) and they will rip it apart for the advice it's etc that WE know will get ironed out fir release. I guess some new cannon fodder is going to be cool. But apart from that, up to official release, im going to try to stick with the mercs I know.
JcSevi Doomheim 13	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:28:00 - [19] - Quote Hello. I'm already bored of playing and still not out yet. The beta will last longer than the game. Greetings.
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 126	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:35:00 - [20] - Quote I just hope it comes with a full sp reset so it is somewhat of a level playing field we dont need any advantages over them we already know DUST like the back of our hands, DUST learning curve is gonna scare quite a few away but i hope there are some "easy" missions for the new guys to practic on maybe PVE to learn the rope before being thrown at us even if there is like a VR room added to DUST to allow people to practic this that and the other VRS variable AI with out being hunted by experienced players i know i was hoping for such a training ground when i started all those months ago. I think a good way to seperate us out for the time being is to allow people to go into a no squad game only individuals can join on there own it wont stop corps from attempting to sync into a match but it will make it harder for them to get a presence on true new guy fights

DON RODIE II Deep Space Republic 168	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:37:00 - [21] - Quote Excited
Goat of Dover Shadow Company HQ 161	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:40:00 - [22] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: All of the people who argue on the forums now will band together to argue against the masses of noobs who will flood our forums This I can't wait to see. The ones who trolled each other for months come together against the greater evil.
Vexen Krios Doomheim 95	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:55:00 - [23] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: I just hope it comes with a full sp reset so it is somewhat of a level playing field we dont need any advantages over them we already know DUST like the back of our hands, DUST learning curve is gonna scare quite a few away but i hope there are some "easy" missions for the new guys to practic on maybe PVE to learn the rope before being thrown at us even if there is like a VR room added to DUST to allow people to practic this that and the other VRS variable AI with out being hunted by experienced players i know i was hoping for such a training ground when i started all those months ago. I think a good way to seperate us out for the time being is to allow people to go into a no squad game only individuals can join on there own it wont stop corps from attempting to sync into a match but it will make it harder for them to get a presence on true new guy fights exactly, we should have another tab in the battle finder where its individual join only. no squads. and then another tab just like what we have where randoms can join in and so can squads...then we can have squad only games.
Raxsus1 Doomheim 42	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:58:00 - [24] - Quote Let the Noobs come. Me and My HMG's will welcome them with 2000 RPM's of death
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.24 16:01:00 - [25] - Quote Everyone! To the dropship! Whoever we don't manage to crush, we'll drop a heavy or a shotgunner on!
Regis Mk V Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 109	Posted - 2012.12.24 16:15:00 - [26] - Quote Most of you fail to realize that the average person in the console community wont visit forums. While there may be some new people in the forum most of the new players don't care. MAG sold a million copies and maybe 300 actually visited the forums.
Odiain Suliis ZionTCD Legacy Rising 112	Posted - 2012.12.24 16:27:00 - [27] - Quote Regis Mk V wrote: Most of you fail to realize that the average person in the console community wont visit forums. While there may be some new people in the forum most of the new players don't care. MAG sold a million copies and maybe 300 actually visited the forums. Isn't that the case in any game, regardless of it being in console or pc?
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.12.24 16:32:00 - [28] - Quote Odiain Suliis wrote: Regis Mk V wrote: Most of you fail to realize that the average person in the console community wont visit forums. While there may be some new people in the forum most of the new players don't care. MAG sold a million copies and maybe 300 actually visited the forums. Isn't that the case in any game, regardless of it being in console or pc? Though you maybe right that wont be the case across the board. Ive seen plenty of betas and games in general destroyed by noob rage that winds up on the forums. The fact is in many other games the people on the forums are the vocal minority while the happy majority are playing the game. This beta community is different because this game is a true beta work in progress so the community is made up of players who care about the direction and dont simply want changes for the sake of making the game simpler/easier for themself at the expense of the core gameplay. The open beta WILL change that and there will be plenty of noob rage, or they will just flat out give up especially the players who come in looking for this to be their next FPS until next COD release with no appreciation for RPG type games. However i have many friends who are waiting for open beta who play RPG's as frequently as FPS and other MP games so we will see more of them too.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.12.24 18:05:00 - [29] - Quote i'm not looking forward to all the drama like they will flood the forums and QQ that this is not balanced, the games too hard, i can't fit a dropsuit, this is not fair, etc. when all the testers have already got that off their chests we now have to hear it from noobs and CCP will probably listen to them even tho we will be shouting back at them "BUT THEY ALREADY NERFED THAT LAST MONTH"
Foley Jones R.I.f.t 122	Posted - 2012.12.24 20:41:00 - [30] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: There HAS to be gear restricted matches available when the beta goes open. It's just not fair putting newbs out vs all our established corps (who all enjoy using higher tier gear). #1 way to stop players all rage quitting, provide a range of games with "fair" gear restrictions. Eventually, they'll have enough ISK & gear to go to unrestricted games, but they need to be eased into the game. I still have friends who say Dust is too complicated, simply because there's so much choice. If you know what you want, it's not that complicated (yet). If you're a nOOb, you just want to shoot face. And fighting people with weapons and equipment it'll take you months to get is a deal breaker. I know the whole "New Eden isn't fair" thing, but it sorta is. Only when you start mind, but normally in EvE, things only seem to get aggressive in Low/Null. I had a 14 day trial, and the NPCs were more aggressive than the players. A better idea is a matchmaking system that does a scale of your sp. And pits you againts prople that have somewhat. Equal sp making complete fairness

Shiro Mokuzan GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 106	Posted - 2012.12.24 21:02:00 - [31] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: Nest Stein wrote: I honestly think many of them may quit. It's not that Dust is a bad game, but it feels much different than any other FPS I've played. It took me a couple dozen hours to get acquainted with the controls. I almost quit during the learning curve, because I couldn't get the controls down to how I like them. I have a friend who did quit because of the learning curve... I am currently attempting to get said friend to play again. EVE has a much steeper learning curve and I actually like it because it keeps out a lot of the idiots. The FPS genre, probably due to its popularity, seems to be full of idiots, so I think a bit of a learning curve is a good thing.
Foley Jones R.I.f.t 122	Posted - 2012.12.25 04:44:00 - [32] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Nest Stein wrote: I honestly think many of them may quit. It's not that Dust is a bad game, but it feels much different than any other FPS I've played. It took me a couple dozen hours to get acquainted with the controls. I almost quit during the learning curve, because I couldn't get the controls down to how I like them. I have a friend who did quit because of the learning curve... I am currently attempting to get said friend to play again. EVE has a much steeper learning curve and I actually like it because it keeps out a lot of the idiots. The FPS genre, probably due to its popularity, seems to be full of idiots, so I think a bit of a learning curve is a good thing. The wondeful nature of this game yes?
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.12.25 05:06:00 - [33] - Quote Nest Stein wrote: I honestly think many of them may quit. It's not that Dust is a bad game, but it feels much different than any other FPS I've played. It took me a couple dozen hours to get acquainted with the controls. I almost quit during the learning curve, because I couldn't get the controls down to how I like them. This game also isn't about instant gratification like CoD. Dust takes some patience to get into. I'm still fairly new to the game and it's rough when you're first starting out. I see what this game has to offer, though, both now and in the future. I'm here to stay. There is no limit to what CCP can do with Dust, provided the funding is there.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2012.12.25 05:26:00 - [34] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: There HAS to be gear restricted matches available when the beta goes open. It's just not fair putting newbs out vs all our established corps (who all enjoy using higher tier gear). #1 way to stop players all rage quitting, provide a range of games with "fair" gear restrictions. Eventually, they'll have enough ISK & gear to go to unrestricted games, but they need to be eased into the game. I still have friends who say Dust is too complicated, simply because there's so much choice. If you know what you want, it's not that complicated (yet). If you're a nOOb, you just want to shoot face. And fighting people with weapons and equipment it'll take you months to get is a deal breaker. I know the whole "New Eden isn't fair" thing, but it sorta is. Only when you start mind, but normally in EvE, things only seem to get aggressive in Low/Null. I had a 14 day trial, and the NPCs were more aggressive than the players. Our characters will be getting reset when the open beta rolls around (the next and last reset). So it's not as if there is going to be a bunch of players who have no idea about anything, coming into the game day 1 against teams full of proto players. They will be severely outmatched in terms of Dust experience, but the gear will be equal (for a little while that is).
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 241	Posted - 2012.12.25 05:28:00 - [35] - Quote If there aren't significant adjustments made to the gameplay by next build, the new players will all be gone within a day.
Foley Jones R.I.f.t 122	Posted - 2012.12.25 05:51:00 - [36] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Tony Calif wrote: There HAS to be gear restricted matches available when the beta goes open. It's just not fair putting newbs out vs all our established corps (who all enjoy using higher tier gear). #1 way to stop players all rage quitting, provide a range of games with "fair" gear restrictions. Eventually, they'll have enough ISK & gear to go to unrestricted games, but they need to be eased into the game. I still have friends who say Dust is too complicated, simply because there's so much choice. If you know what you want, it's not that complicated (yet). If you're a nOOb, you just want to shoot face. And fighting people with weapons and equipment it'll take you months to get is a deal breaker. I know the whole "New Eden isn't fair" thing, but it sorta is. Only when you start mind, but normally in EvE, things only seem to get aggressive in Low/Null. I had a 14 day trial, and the NPCs were more aggressive than the players. Our characters will be getting reset when the open beta rolls around (the next and last reset). So it's not as if there is going to be a bunch of players who have no idea about anything, coming into the game day 1 against teams full of proto players. They will be severely outmatched in terms of Dust experience, but the gear will be equal (for a little while that is). But even still the veterans from the closed will know exactly what they will do with their skills and quickly re gain their advantage and plus they still got their traditional skills (beening able to play the game)
Enkidu Camuel Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.12.25 06:00:00 - [37] - Quote We're gonna give all those new players a baptise... a baptise of fire, blood and tears... THEIR TEARS!
NovaShadowStorm The Southern Legion 63	Posted - 2012.12.25 06:09:00 - [38] - Quote I'm looking forward to it, no more empty games! It'll take them a little to catch up but hey I'm always for full games.


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