DUST Search - Removing The Keyboard in combat (request)

DarkShadowFox wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Crm234 wrote:

Once again CCP will shoot itself in the foot with a keyboard and mouse. After three builds that I know of were still having movement problems. Its hard enough trying to program the Move into a PS3 game, but add keyboard+mouse as well and everyone basically hates the controls.

What will happening is that they are ruining the PS3 controller controls to accommodate the PC players that seem to make the majority of this beta. If i need to mess with the controller settings on day one there is something wrong. I compensate since its a beta , but this beta controls have never felt right for the PS3 controller. Ive love the controls in MAG,BF3,Killzone 3, COD, and even Starhawk and really never had a problem with movement.

Its not preference it is far easier to use the keyboard+mouse in Dust, besides the random mouse lock that im not sure if it was fixed this build. The only thing that makes the keyboard hard is that no one knows the controls.

Just remember that the final launch will not be reviewed with keyboard+mouse but the controller and the Move only.

What do you mean by that last sentence?

Meaning no one will use keyboards of the general public, there gonna suck it up and use controllers and move controllers, as it is a console game. so like he said its going to be reviewed by the masses with controllers and move controllers.

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DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.12.22 14:43:00 - [1] - Quote Yeah I know this topic is going to **** a ton of you off, but those mouse and keyboard users have a better advantage over someone who prefers a controller, I don't care what you have to say about how its horribly mapped if you guys and or all of us get a remap system this game is going to become bad, no other FPS has a keyboard for a good reason, it ruins the game. I can understand having it for vehicles or even drop-ships but not for infantry, that's how people move so fast and are harder to hit, believe me I've played on keyboards. Also if your move is WASD, they mapped the grenade to X because its within your reach. theirs a reason games are on PC, so people and play with a keyboard, I propose a controller/ move only system for infantry and leave the keyboard for more chat, so you can slop your keyboard off to the side and only worry bout it when you have to type something and communicate, cause we all know how frustrating communicating with the Ps3 controller is. that's how people dart back and forth if you ever notice. its the remporter in a sense, the all winning, all dominating system to play with, regardless of how frustrating it is to play with. But also its not going to PC so I see why they put a keyboard, to draw the eve crowd in, i get that but, this is an FPS, there is a totally different mechanic with this game.
ArMaGeDoN The Cat Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 157	Posted - 2012.12.22 15:26:00 - [2] - Quote lolno Can you feel the QQ in the air? I love it!
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.12.22 15:33:00 - [3] - Quote ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote: lolno Can you feel the QQ in the air? I love it! No, and if anything it would be the precision of the mouse that's the issue, not the keyboard. But even then i can tell you it isnt far and away better like the difference is in PC games with KB/M and Controllers.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.22 15:58:00 - [4] - Quote DarkShadowFox wrote: Yeah I know this topic is going to **** a ton of you off, but those mouse and keyboard users have a better advantage over someone who prefers a controller, I don't care what you have to say about how its horribly mapped if you guys and or all of us get a remap system this game is going to become bad, no other FPS has a keyboard for a good reason, it ruins the game. I can understand having it for vehicles or even drop-ships but not for infantry, that's how people move so fast and are harder to hit, believe me I've played on keyboards. Also if your move is WASD, they mapped the grenade to X because its within your reach. theirs a reason games are on PC, so people and play with a keyboard, I propose a controller/ move only system for infantry and leave the keyboard for more chat, so you can slop your keyboard off to the side and only worry bout it when you have to type something and communicate, cause we all know how frustrating communicating with the Ps3 controller is. that's how people dart back and forth if you ever notice. its the remporter in a sense, the all winning, all dominating system to play with, regardless of how frustrating it is to play with. But also its not going to PC so I see why they put a keyboard, to draw the eve crowd in, i get that but, this is an FPS, there is a totally different mechanic with this game. You're crazy. Last build they couldn't even aim properly without an adjustable DPI mouse, and even then it was dodgy. Turning speeds are also the same no matter what control method you use, so the only reason they would be performing better than you is that a mouse is what they're used to. Some of the best players in this Beta wrack up retardedly high KDRs using the DS3, so KBM is not an unfair advantage.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.12.22 16:23:00 - [5] - Quote Um. No. KBM isnt any better than DS3, just different. For some people coming from PC its more natural to play that way. get good.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.22 16:24:00 - [6] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Um. No. KBM isnt any better than DS3, just different. For some people coming from PC its more natural to play that way. get good. ^This.
Edu Ashbourne Doomheim 54	Posted - 2012.12.22 16:32:00 - [7] - Quote Even as a PC player I think I actually have an easier time with the joypad, due to the slow turnspeed of mouse support. I'll probably try to get used to it again because fine aiming is becoming bothersome lately. Also not to sound arrogant but if M&KB users have that much of an advantage, why not buy a set yourself? standard usb supported ones are cheap.
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.12.22 17:53:00 - [8] - Quote I also personally recommend, investing 19.99 in a PS move navi controller. IT gives us left sided DS3 control along with x and y. The way i set up is mouse on my right lap, DS3 in left lap, navi control in my hand. Reassign Navi controller to 1 when in dust client, won't recognise if you do before, set DS3 to 2. Now all you need DS3 for is square, triangle and R3 which are rarely needed except square for reload. Also if you need to go vehicle you can use your DS3 without having to turn off any other peripherals. Just have to get good at pressing r3 without moving it so it doesnt throw your aim off but i almost never use melee in this game. Edit-The navi controller is nice also if you have invested in a XIm Edge since it can be used with that system as well for all games in which the Xim Edge works. Edit- The keyboard only controls rail movements, strafe, diagonal, fwd/bk, these are easier to perform with analog since you have 360* control of those inputs. Yes it "might" be faster to strafe left right because it's instant left/right. But thats not faster just quicker and ever so slightly. Besides which is all you are doing is strafing left right rapidly back forth instead of commiting to a direction and then randomly changing the intervals at which you change direction you aren't making yourself a harder target to hit you're an easier one to hit for me anyway and you just look like you're suffering a seizure(fits for my EU friends)
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2012.12.22 18:24:00 - [9] - Quote Once again CCP will shoot itself in the foot with a keyboard and mouse. After three builds that I know of were still having movement problems. Its hard enough trying to program the Move into a PS3 game, but add keyboard+mouse as well and everyone basically hates the controls. What will happening is that they are ruining the PS3 controller controls to accommodate the PC players that seem to make the majority of this beta. If i need to mess with the controller settings on day one there is something wrong. I compensate since its a beta , but this beta controls have never felt right for the PS3 controller. Ive love the controls in MAG,BF3,Killzone 3, COD, and even Starhawk and really never had a problem with movement. Its not preference it is far easier to use the keyboard+mouse in Dust, besides the random mouse lock that im not sure if it was fixed this build. The only thing that makes the keyboard hard is that no one knows the controls. Just remember that the final launch will not be reviewed with keyboard+mouse but the controller and the Move only.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.22 19:44:00 - [10] - Quote Crm234 wrote: Once again CCP will shoot itself in the foot with a keyboard and mouse. After three builds that I know of were still having movement problems. Its hard enough trying to program the Move into a PS3 game, but add keyboard+mouse as well and everyone basically hates the controls. What will happening is that they are ruining the PS3 controller controls to accommodate the PC players that seem to make the majority of this beta. If i need to mess with the controller settings on day one there is something wrong. I compensate since its a beta , but this beta controls have never felt right for the PS3 controller. Ive love the controls in MAG,BF3,Killzone 3, COD, and even Starhawk and really never had a problem with movement. Its not preference it is far easier to use the keyboard+mouse in Dust, besides the random mouse lock that im not sure if it was fixed this build. The only thing that makes the keyboard hard is that no one knows the controls. Just remember that the final launch will not be reviewed with keyboard+mouse but the controller and the Move only. What do you mean by that last sentence?

DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.12.22 21:59:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Crm234 wrote: Once again CCP will shoot itself in the foot with a keyboard and mouse. After three builds that I know of were still having movement problems. Its hard enough trying to program the Move into a PS3 game, but add keyboard+mouse as well and everyone basically hates the controls. What will happening is that they are ruining the PS3 controller controls to accommodate the PC players that seem to make the majority of this beta. If i need to mess with the controller settings on day one there is something wrong. I compensate since its a beta , but this beta controls have never felt right for the PS3 controller. Ive love the controls in MAG,BF3,Killzone 3, COD, and even Starhawk and really never had a problem with movement. Its not preference it is far easier to use the keyboard+mouse in Dust, besides the random mouse lock that im not sure if it was fixed this build. The only thing that makes the keyboard hard is that no one knows the controls. Just remember that the final launch will not be reviewed with keyboard+mouse but the controller and the Move only. What do you mean by that last sentence? Meaning no one will use keyboards of the general public, there gonna suck it up and use controllers and move controllers, as it is a console game. so like he said its going to be reviewed by the masses with controllers and move controllers.
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 328	Posted - 2012.12.22 23:39:00 - [12] - Quote DarkShadowFox wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Crm234 wrote: Once again CCP will shoot itself in the foot with a keyboard and mouse. After three builds that I know of were still having movement problems. Its hard enough trying to program the Move into a PS3 game, but add keyboard+mouse as well and everyone basically hates the controls. What will happening is that they are ruining the PS3 controller controls to accommodate the PC players that seem to make the majority of this beta. If i need to mess with the controller settings on day one there is something wrong. I compensate since its a beta , but this beta controls have never felt right for the PS3 controller. Ive love the controls in MAG,BF3,Killzone 3, COD, and even Starhawk and really never had a problem with movement. Its not preference it is far easier to use the keyboard+mouse in Dust, besides the random mouse lock that im not sure if it was fixed this build. The only thing that makes the keyboard hard is that no one knows the controls. Just remember that the final launch will not be reviewed with keyboard+mouse but the controller and the Move only. What do you mean by that last sentence? Meaning no one will use keyboards of the general public, there gonna suck it up and use controllers and move controllers, as it is a console game. so like he said its going to be reviewed by the masses with controllers and move controllers. Fact - most Imperfects use controller. Your entire theory is invalid. Practice more.
xXTruegamerXx The Generals 2	Posted - 2012.12.22 23:57:00 - [13] - Quote I use controller and i dont do bad never so... it might that your not good.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.12.23 00:54:00 - [14] - Quote This tired argument again, your entitled to your opinion but on behalf of Kbm players, F off and stop trying to ruin the game for us. They aren't going to take it away so live with it or quit.
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.12.23 00:55:00 - [15] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: This tired argument again, your entitled to your opinion but on behalf of Kbm players, F off and stop trying to ruin the game for us. They aren't going to take it away so live with it or quit. hey ive got a good one why dont you, how about you play with a controller for once, keyboard scrub.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.12.23 01:06:00 - [16] - Quote Oh noes called a scrub by some nub that blames the tools for his own failures as a player, I'm crushed. And yeah i played with the controller before they added KB/M and back then i considered getting less then 30 kills a bad game.
Vermaak Kuvakei Doomheim 88	Posted - 2012.12.23 01:08:00 - [17] - Quote You suck at this game and should stop using kbm as a scapegoat, scrub
Hobos-N-Guns Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 44	Posted - 2012.12.23 06:57:00 - [18] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Um. No. KBM isnt any better than DS3, just different. For some people coming from PC its more natural to play that way. get good. ....Ditto.....
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.12.23 07:29:00 - [19] - Quote DarkShadowFox wrote: But also its not going to PC so I see why they put a keyboard, to draw the eve crowd in, i get that but, this is an FPS, there is a totally different mechanic with this game. This statement ruined your entire argument, not that you had one in the first place. Would you mind informing us all of what platform FPS games were - and still are - originally designed for?


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