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FULL METAL SLUG Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 16	Posted - 2012.12.19 18:28:00 - [1] - Quote Shouldn't it do more damage than this? Smg pack more punch in close quarters
LIFE RIPPER Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2012.12.19 18:45:00 - [2] - Quote I agree damge for sub machine gun starter is 21. The hmg standard is. 16. The proto smg is 23.1 The proto HMG is 17.6 Most of my bullets miss with hmg. And more hit with smg. I am starting to think they don't want the HMG in the game
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.19 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote SMG's fire pistol rounds, HMG's fire full size rounds. A SMG would have to make up for lower DPS with a corresponding advantage in RoF. What are the numbers?
Blondie Roads Doomheim 10	Posted - 2012.12.19 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote I would have to disagree whether it be SMG or assult i am still winning the cqc in this build. Broadside ftw l Hmg has RoF on its side
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.12.19 19:05:00 - [5] - Quote HMG heavies are about the most hated thing i could come up against in this game running an assault suit, if you think they are crap I think your doing it wrong, only way i can burn through a good heavy these days is with a shotgun.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.12.19 19:28:00 - [6] - Quote Coming from a heavy user, it doesn't need to be more powerful.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.12.19 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote coming from a HMG user - I got a few less kills and a few more death with the new HMG but that could be because i haven't played in a month... It did seem a little less powerful but still effective when you hit someone.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:11:00 - [8] - Quote The proto Hmg took a hit it went from 19.2 To 17.6 for the proto HMG The gastun HMG is now only 19.2 So yes there is a significant drop off. The last build was the first time the Hmg felt good since replication. It was too good to last. We must adapt again.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:51:00 - [9] - Quote The HMG sucks now, haof thr time I get killed in a 1v1 by a freaking militia assault with 8x less eHP than me because i am firig nerf darts at him
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:54:00 - [10] - Quote Last I looked HMG still cause people to melt. one of the main draw backs to the HMG is the rev up time. once you start shooting you need to commit to holding down the trigger until there are no more orange dots in font of you. entering a fire fight cold barel is a huge disadvantage. 400+ rounds in a mag and it only takes 20-40 hits to drop someone. don't be shy

Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.12.20 00:49:00 - [11] - Quote ugg reset wrote: Last I looked HMG still cause people to melt. one of the main draw backs to the HMG is the rev up time. once you start shooting you need to commit to holding down the trigger until there are no more orange dots in font of you. entering a fire fight cold barel is a huge disadvantage. 400+ rounds in a mag and it only takes 20-40 hits to drop someone. don't be shy Rev up time? What are you talking about? Also yes, last build was the first time they felt good for a long time, but CCP feels the urge to mess with things no one asked them to mess with.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2012.12.20 00:58:00 - [12] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: ugg reset wrote: Last I looked HMG still cause people to melt. one of the main draw backs to the HMG is the rev up time. once you start shooting you need to commit to holding down the trigger until there are no more orange dots in font of you. entering a fire fight cold barel is a huge disadvantage. 400+ rounds in a mag and it only takes 20-40 hits to drop someone. don't be shy Rev up time? What are you talking about? Also yes, last build was the first time they felt good for a long time, but CCP feels the urge to mess with things no one asked them to mess with. The longer you fire the HMG, the more accurate it becomes. And CCP is not at our beck and call, they change the game as they see fit, and as they have access to WAY more information than us (the logs show everything) they are able to make informed decisions based on data rather than opinion.
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2012.12.20 05:00:00 - [13] - Quote Yes the HMG is weaker now but its nothing that cant be handled. It will still kill your mobs of enemys on solo, its no promblem. Everyone else took the same hit so its proportionet
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2012.12.20 05:18:00 - [14] - Quote Second or third match I played on the new build, the classic 'heavy driving a LAV' was doing his rounds, effortlessly wasting people. And when he didn't get his way, he slowly waddled back to his comfy drivers seat and massive amount of health, and drove away. All the while being rained down on with bullets that only marginally hurt him. HMG and heavies are doing just fine in this build.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.12.20 05:24:00 - [15] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: ugg reset wrote: Last I looked HMG still cause people to melt. one of the main draw backs to the HMG is the rev up time. once you start shooting you need to commit to holding down the trigger until there are no more orange dots in font of you. entering a fire fight cold barel is a huge disadvantage. 400+ rounds in a mag and it only takes 20-40 hits to drop someone. don't be shy Rev up time? What are you talking about? Also yes, last build was the first time they felt good for a long time, but CCP feels the urge to mess with things no one asked them to mess with. The longer you fire the HMG, the more accurate it becomes. And CCP is not at our beck and call, they change the game as they see fit, and as they have access to WAY more information than us (the logs show everything) they are able to make informed decisions based on data rather than opinion. That's not rev up time. It would be rev up time if you had to spin the barrel before you start shooting.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.20 05:52:00 - [16] - Quote Okay, I've either gotten a massive case of Schizophrenia out of nowhere or maybe I'm just terrible at Dust 514.. Being on the receiving end of an HMG sucks. Unless you're running dead sprint perpendicular of the guy using it and he just happens to be a bad shot, you're going to die -every time-. Seriously, Heavies are brutal with these things. A.) The reason the damage is lower than an SMG is because it's RoF is like 2000 and it has a massive magazine. There's room for error. The SMG? Not so much. B.) In capable hands the HMG will win -every time-. I've seen guys using the HMG take out LAVs unassisted since the new build came out. Why they haven't been talking, I have no idea. C.) A gun is only as good as it's handler. I don't even have to use the HMGs to tell you that they're performing swimmingly and I honestly have no idea where all this talk is coming from.
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 320	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:28:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Okay, I've either gotten a massive case of Schizophrenia out of nowhere or maybe I'm just terrible at Dust 514.. Being on the receiving end of an HMG sucks. Unless you're running dead sprint perpendicular of the guy using it and he just happens to be a bad shot, you're going to die -every time-. Seriously, Heavies are brutal with these things. A.) The reason the damage is lower than an SMG is because it's RoF is like 2000 and it has a massive magazine. There's room for error. The SMG? Not so much. B.) In capable hands the HMG will win -every time-. I've seen guys using the HMG take out LAVs unassisted since the new build came out. Why they haven't been talking, I have no idea. C.) A gun is only as good as it's handler. I don't even have to use the HMGs to tell you that they're performing swimmingly and I honestly have no idea where all this talk is coming from. Doom Mode.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:52:00 - [18] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: ugg reset wrote: Last I looked HMG still cause people to melt. one of the main draw backs to the HMG is the rev up time. once you start shooting you need to commit to holding down the trigger until there are no more orange dots in font of you. entering a fire fight cold barel is a huge disadvantage. 400+ rounds in a mag and it only takes 20-40 hits to drop someone. don't be shy Rev up time? What are you talking about? Also yes, last build was the first time they felt good for a long time, but CCP feels the urge to mess with things no one asked them to mess with. The longer you fire the HMG, the more accurate it becomes. And CCP is not at our beck and call, they change the game as they see fit, and as they have access to WAY more information than us (the logs show everything) they are able to make informed decisions based on data rather than opinion. That's not rev up time. It would be rev up time if you had to spin the barrel before you start shooting. You're right, there is no way to get your barrel spinning with out firing. What I'm saying is that this weapon only becomes a threat when it get up to full RPM and not a second before that. this thing was ment to fire a continuous burst.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:07:00 - [19] - Quote After adapting to the changes to the HMG I find myself using the standard model more than any other For 8,000"the standard is 16.HP damage. For 38,000 the MH-82 is only 16.8 HP damage Not enough difference to pay 30,000 more per gun for .8 difference. So that leaves you the For 70 AUr Broadside MH-82 17.6 HP damage. And 118,040 for the boundless heavy machine gun 17.6 HP damage. A difference of 1.6 damage from standard to proto with a price tag of 110,000 more isk per gun. I personally am using the standard cause I can't feel a huge difference. What are you guys using?
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:12:00 - [20] - Quote I must say I have taken down some of the great heavies with my Exile and/or SMG. I started of this build testing heavies and I loved being a heavy. Heavies were feared. Now I just laugh at them. HMGs need more love tbqh. I think a 10% buff in damage should be a must. I have seen 2 HMG combos and a logi being absolutely devastating. Heavies and HMGs should be feared. Just my 0.02 BUFFAFATMAN

Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:14:00 - [21] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: After adapting to the changes to the HMG I find myself using the standard model more than any other For 8,000"the standard is 16.HP damage. For 38,000 the MH-82 is only 16.8 HP damage Not enough difference to pay 30,000 more per gun for .8 difference. So that leaves you the For 70 AUr Broadside MH-82 17.6 HP damage. And 118,040 for the boundless heavy machine gun 17.6 HP damage. A difference of 1.6 damage from standard to proto with a price tag of 110,000 more isk per gun. I personally am using the standard cause I can't feel a huge difference. What are you guys using? 70 AUR Broadside with 1 Complex damage mod and 1 Enhanced damage mod. I also have HMG Operation lvl 5 and proficiency lvl 5. I shred people a lot. But I am just about out of AUR and cant imagine I am going to spend 100k for one gun so I foresee myself using the MH-82 for 30k...
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 369	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:19:00 - [22] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: What are you guys using? The standard one. I'll bring out the MH-82 whenever I salvage them, but I just don't think they're worth using really. Sure people will bring out the Boundless in corp battles where it really matters, but the difference between the standard and proto is just so small...
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:21:00 - [23] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: After adapting to the changes to the HMG I find myself using the standard model more than any other For 8,000"the standard is 16.HP damage. For 38,000 the MH-82 is only 16.8 HP damage Not enough difference to pay 30,000 more per gun for .8 difference. So that leaves you the For 70 AUr Broadside MH-82 17.6 HP damage. And 118,040 for the boundless heavy machine gun 17.6 HP damage. A difference of 1.6 damage from standard to proto with a price tag of 110,000 more isk per gun. I personally am using the standard cause I can't feel a huge difference. What are you guys using? 70 AUR Broadside with 1 Complex damage mod and 1 Enhanced damage mod. I also have HMG Operation lvl 5 and proficiency lvl 5. I shred people a lot. But I am just about out of AUR and cant imagine I am going to spend 100k for one gun so I foresee myself using the MH-82 for 30k... Try using the hm-82 then the standard hmg in the same game with the same set up. I was like you but I can feel no difference except the standard can overheat slightly faster but that is rare.
Vane Arcadia ZionTCD Legacy Rising 115	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:29:00 - [24] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: After adapting to the changes to the HMG I find myself using the standard model more than any other For 8,000"the standard is 16.HP damage. For 38,000 the MH-82 is only 16.8 HP damage Not enough difference to pay 30,000 more per gun for .8 difference. So that leaves you the For 70 AUr Broadside MH-82 17.6 HP damage. And 118,040 for the boundless heavy machine gun 17.6 HP damage. A difference of 1.6 damage from standard to proto with a price tag of 110,000 more isk per gun. I personally am using the standard cause I can't feel a huge difference. What are you guys using? 90% of the time standard HMG in a skinweave suit with militia fits. The other 10% I use advanced but I seem to do no better or worse.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 91	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:35:00 - [25] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: The proto Hmg took a hit it went from 19.2 To 17.6 for the proto HMG The gastun HMG is now only 19.2 So yes there is a significant drop off. The last build was the first time the Hmg felt good since replication. It was too good to last. We must adapt again. Lol. You particularly kill like 4/5 guys at the same time. Don't ask for get more power
Fargen Icehole SyNergy Gaming 67	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:37:00 - [26] - Quote TBH, I've been using my stock militia assault fit with exile rifle, since it's now an effective fit against most players. (and it's 100% free) With the minimal time I've spent using my standard type2 heavy suit with HM82, I definitely have noticed that it's weaker. I'll probably experiment with using the standard HMG, and running a complex dmg mod, instead of one of my complex shield extenders. It'll give me more dmg than the adv hmg does now, and it'll cost less isk per fit. Only down side, is the slight loss to shields, but 66 out of 1050 total HP shouldn't be too noticeable.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:57:00 - [27] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: After adapting to the changes to the HMG I find myself using the standard model more than any other For 8,000"the standard is 16.HP damage. For 38,000 the MH-82 is only 16.8 HP damage Not enough difference to pay 30,000 more per gun for .8 difference. So that leaves you the For 70 AUr Broadside MH-82 17.6 HP damage. And 118,040 for the boundless heavy machine gun 17.6 HP damage. A difference of 1.6 damage from standard to proto with a price tag of 110,000 more isk per gun. I personally am using the standard cause I can't feel a huge difference. What are you guys using? 70 AUR Broadside with 1 Complex damage mod and 1 Enhanced damage mod. I also have HMG Operation lvl 5 and proficiency lvl 5. I shred people a lot. But I am just about out of AUR and cant imagine I am going to spend 100k for one gun so I foresee myself using the MH-82 for 30k... Try using the hm-82 then the standard hmg in the same game with the same set up. I was like you but I can feel no difference except the standard can overheat slightly faster but that is rare. I'll give it a shot
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.12.27 17:00:00 - [28] - Quote More damage? Are you insane? Crouch and use doom mode and you can shot very accurate with a insane high rate of fire.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2012.12.27 17:57:00 - [29] - Quote Hunker down, get into doom mode, and spin those barrels for a second or two to see how powerful a HMG. Assaults rarely expect that kind of effective range. It's hugely satisfying.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.27 17:59:00 - [30] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Hunker down, get into doom mode, and spin those barrels for a second or two to see how powerful a HMG. Assaults rarely expect that kind of effective range. It's hugely satisfying. Yes please be stationary for me to fire my laser rifle at you

Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2012.12.27 20:44:00 - [31] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: More damage? Are you insane? Crouch and use doom mode and you can shot very accurate with a insane high rate of fire. The assault HMG variant is VERY deadly.
xBIG DIRTYx Doomheim 8	Posted - 2012.12.27 21:25:00 - [32] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: After adapting to the changes to the HMG I find myself using the standard model more than any other For 8,000"the standard is 16.HP damage. For 38,000 the MH-82 is only 16.8 HP damage Not enough difference to pay 30,000 more per gun for .8 difference. So that leaves you the For 70 AUr Broadside MH-82 17.6 HP damage. And 118,040 for the boundless heavy machine gun 17.6 HP damage. A difference of 1.6 damage from standard to proto with a price tag of 110,000 more isk per gun. I personally am using the standard cause I can't feel a huge difference. Broadside plus two Seismic's FTW What are you guys using?
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.12.27 23:51:00 - [33] - Quote I don't know what you people are on about I've only recently started using the heavy with a HMG, and I have no trouble putting down multiple assaults at once with it. Key difference between the SMG and HMG is the amount of time you can fire and how accurately at different ranges, HMG is superior but the SMG makes a great back up weapon when the re-tarded blueberries refuse to drop nanohives.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2012.12.28 01:51:00 - [34] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Hunker down, get into doom mode, and spin those barrels for a second or two to see how powerful a HMG. Assaults rarely expect that kind of effective range. It's hugely satisfying. Yes please be stationary for me to fire my laser rifle at you That's what my scrambler pistol is for
X---------------------X Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2012.12.29 03:05:00 - [35] - Quote I really want to use the HMG, but I seem to die a lot. I have only been playing for about a week so I guess I need more skills, but they seem to move so slow
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.12.29 03:22:00 - [36] - Quote X---------------------X wrote: I really want to use the HMG, but I seem to die a lot. I have only been playing for about a week so I guess I need more skills, but they seem to move so slow They are slow. Thick armor and suit enhancements that allow the use of heavy weapons have a price to be paid.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11	Posted - 2012.12.29 03:35:00 - [37] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: HMG heavies are about the most hated thing i could come up against in this game running an assault suit, if you think they are crap I think your doing it wrong, only way i can burn through a good heavy these days is with a shotgun. Grenades are practically MADE for destroying those super expensive heavies. I'm really good with them, and I recommend everyone else practices a bit with them too. = D J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: The HMG sucks now, haof thr time I get killed in a 1v1 by a freaking militia assault with 8x less eHP than me because i am firig nerf darts at him Headshots.
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 320	Posted - 2012.12.29 04:26:00 - [38] - Quote Just use a basic and strap on as many complex damage mods you can carry. Doom mode still sucks.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.12.29 04:58:00 - [39] - Quote At first I was put off at the HMG this build, but now I think they are mostly fine. I like the doom mode. Within 2-4 meters they should do double damage IMO.


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