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Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.19 04:18:00 -
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Proto HMG 150 000 isk, Proto Heavy Suit 80 000 - 250 000 isk (Heavies are supose to be in the first line of the battle and get the most damage). Proto Scout suit 100 000 isk, Proto Sniper Rifle 50 000 - 60 000 isk (Snipers are supose to be kinda far away of the battle, and they don't need to use Scout Suits, so, they can have a lot of armor and sniping equal than Scout guys). I feel bad for heavy guys with the "ISK gameplay". They can't have an "easy gameplay" with nice suits or weapons if they are slow and get so many shoots. I mean, why do the suits and weapons, cost so much more than the others? It's because the armor and the power that they have? But, a heavy playing in an "open map", it's an easy target for snipers, or large range weapons. Look at the snipers, they're so far away of the battlefield, they can make a lot of kills with low danger, less danger if they use an assault suit, or a heavy suit or a logi suit. I think snipers have a lot of advantage in the "ISK gameplay", because they don't need to be worried about lose a lot of suits, and they will constantly get ISK. I like the ISK system, it makes the game more interesting because you need to be carreful about how do you play, and how do you build your character, but "snipers guys" don't "feel" this part of the game. I don't play heavy, just sometimes with FG to take down some dropship but i think they need to change the price of the weapons and suits, because snipers have less danger than heavy guys of get killed by someone. Also, maybe if sniper rifle just can be used by scout guys, will make the "sniper gameplay" more dinamic. I mean, sniping with a Heavy or an Assault with full shield and armor? Kinda immortal (I snipe with an assault suit sometimes). I would like to see more heavy guys with logi bros in their back in the middle of the battlefield, but i think they don't want to spend a lot of ISK when they can get killed many times while snipers don't think in how ISK they can't lose or win.
Sorry for the english. See you
PS: I didn't play a lot the new build, but it looks nice, the game it's getting better step by step |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.12.19 06:04:00 -
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words!
seriously use indents instead of a block of text
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aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.12.19 06:07:00 -
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So many words.... My brain just died. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.12.19 06:13:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Proto HMG 150 000 isk Proto Heavy Suit 80 000 - 250 000 isk (Heavies are supose to be in the first line of the battle and get the most damage).
Proto Scout suit 100 000 isk Proto Sniper Rifle 50 000 - 60 000 isk (Snipers are supose to be kinda far away of the battle, and they don't need to use Scout Suits, so, they can have a lot of armor and sniping equal than Scout guys).
I feel bad for heavy guys with the "ISK gameplay". They can't have an "easy gameplay" with nice suits or weapons if they are slow and get so many shoots. I mean, why do the suits and weapons, cost so much more than the others? It's because the armor and the power that they have? But, a heavy playing in an "open map", it's an easy target for snipers, or large range weapons. Look at the snipers, they're so far away of the battlefield, they can make a lot of kills with low danger, less danger if they use an assault suit, or a heavy suit or a logi suit. I think snipers have a lot of advantage in the "ISK gameplay", because they don't need to be worried about lose a lot of suits, and they will constantly get ISK. I like the ISK system, it makes the game more interesting because you need to be careful about how do you play, and how do you build your character, but "snipers guys" don't "feel" this part of the game. I don't play heavy, just sometimes with FG to take down some dropship but i think they need to change the price of the weapons and suits, because snipers have less danger than heavy guys of get killed by someone. Also, maybe if sniper rifle just can [only] be used by scout guys, will make the "sniper gameplay" more dynamic. I mean, sniping with a Heavy or an Assault with full shield and armor? Kinda immortal (I snipe with an assault suit sometimes). I would like to see more heavy guys with logi bros in their back in the middle of the battlefield, but i think they don't want to spend a lot of ISK when they can get killed many times while snipers don't think in how ISK they can't lose or win.
Sorry for the English. See you
PS: I didn't play a lot the new build, but it looks nice, the game it's getting better step by step
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2012.12.19 06:21:00 -
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He does bring up valid points though, despite the fact that his argument is more about snipers vs Heavy suits. Heavies are like shotgun scouts in that positional awareness will make or break you. Get caught out in the open, and you better be ready to catch hell. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.12.19 06:38:00 -
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Stop being bitches, it is a valid post, that was easily readable unless you're an idiot, yes not perfectly written, but he said he's not English.
I guess you're the useless snipers he's commenting on. |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.19 06:42:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Proto HMG 150 000 isk, Proto Heavy Suit 80 000 - 250 000 isk (Heavies are supose to be in the first line of the battle and get the most damage). Proto Scout suit 100 000 isk, Proto Sniper Rifle 50 000 - 60 000 isk (Snipers are supose to be kinda far away of the battle, and they don't need to use Scout Suits, so, they can have a lot of armor and sniping equal than Scout guys). I feel bad for heavy guys with the "ISK gameplay". They can't have an "easy gameplay" with nice suits or weapons if they are slow and get so many shoots. I mean, why do the suits and weapons, cost so much more than the others? It's because the armor and the power that they have? But, a heavy playing in an "open map", it's an easy target for snipers, or large range weapons. Look at the snipers, they're so far away of the battlefield, they can make a lot of kills with low danger, less danger if they use an assault suit, or a heavy suit or a logi suit. I think snipers have a lot of advantage in the "ISK gameplay", because they don't need to be worried about lose a lot of suits, and they will constantly get ISK. I like the ISK system, it makes the game more interesting because you need to be carreful about how do you play, and how do you build your character, but "snipers guys" don't "feel" this part of the game. I don't play heavy, just sometimes with FG to take down some dropship but i think they need to change the price of the weapons and suits, because snipers have less danger than heavy guys of get killed by someone. Also, maybe if sniper rifle just can be used by scout guys, will make the "sniper gameplay" more dinamic. I mean, sniping with a Heavy or an Assault with full shield and armor? Kinda immortal (I snipe with an assault suit sometimes). I would like to see more heavy guys with logi bros in their back in the middle of the battlefield, but i think they don't want to spend a lot of ISK when they can get killed many times while snipers don't think in how ISK they can't lose or win.
Sorry for the english. See you
PS: I didn't play a lot the new build, but it looks nice, the game it's getting better step by step
Who says you have to use a sniper rifle when playing scout? Iam a dedicated scout player ever since the pre E3 build, and i never even touch sniper rifles, i rock the SMG or AR, i use the Suits speed and massive recharge rate to my advantage. Your logic that heavies that get caught out in the open should get a price reduction cause they can't think "iam slower than a snail, and can't sprint to cover easy, why iam i out here?" seriously, LAV's are free BTW. Heavies are tanks (RPG like) there there to soak up damage and take on HAV, LAV, and dropships, this should not be cheap . Lastly they are the only class that can equip Heavy weapons, shouldn't you pay more for this perk alone? i wish i could run around with a HMG on my Scout suit XD |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
63
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Posted - 2012.12.19 07:47:00 -
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A suits price is or will eventually be valued on what kind of materials go into making them remember since this is a BETA we aren't linked to a player market yet and all items are being seeded at a set price when we go live this will not be the case. Scout suits are small light and frankly there isn't too much to them. Heavy suits are made of alot more material thus making them more expensive you may not like it but it's not a hard concept to grasp. A pistol costs less than an AR and an AR costs less than a Forge Gun, the bigger something is the more materials it costs to make and thus a higher price. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.12.19 08:18:00 -
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NovaShadowStorm wrote:A suits price is or will eventually be valued on what kind of materials go into making them remember since this is a BETA we aren't linked to a player market yet and all items are being seeded at a set price when we go live this will not be the case. Scout suits are small light and frankly there isn't too much to them. Heavy suits are made of alot more material thus making them more expensive you may not like it but it's not a hard concept to grasp. A pistol costs less than an AR and an AR costs less than a Forge Gun, the bigger something is the more materials it costs to make and thus a higher price.
Demand for heavy suits will also play a big role in this. Not many people want to be slow easy targets, and not many people want to go without equipment slots. Not many people will use a more expensive and in many ways inferior product. Demand will go down, and so will prices. |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
63
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Posted - 2012.12.19 08:28:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:A suits price is or will eventually be valued on what kind of materials go into making them remember since this is a BETA we aren't linked to a player market yet and all items are being seeded at a set price when we go live this will not be the case. Scout suits are small light and frankly there isn't too much to them. Heavy suits are made of alot more material thus making them more expensive you may not like it but it's not a hard concept to grasp. A pistol costs less than an AR and an AR costs less than a Forge Gun, the bigger something is the more materials it costs to make and thus a higher price. Demand for heavy suits will also play a big role in this. Not many people want to be slow easy targets, and not many people want to go without equipment slots. Not many people will use a more expensive and in many ways inferior product. Demand will go down, and so will prices.
Not really there will always be demand just perhaps not demand for protos, you need a heavy suit to wield HMGs and Forge guns and I'm assuming the Plasma cannons (coming soon) will similarly need them. People will still want to use these weapons just not lose the insanely expensive suits so they may drop to advanced, standard or even malitia, if you're constantly trying to run proto then you're doing it wrong.
Not to mention price will never drop below material cost then plus a percentage however small that may be. People still want to make a profit off selling something. Once it drops too low people will just stop manufacturing them and thats the end of that. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.12.19 09:44:00 -
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NovaShadowStorm wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:A suits price is or will eventually be valued on what kind of materials go into making them remember since this is a BETA we aren't linked to a player market yet and all items are being seeded at a set price when we go live this will not be the case. Scout suits are small light and frankly there isn't too much to them. Heavy suits are made of alot more material thus making them more expensive you may not like it but it's not a hard concept to grasp. A pistol costs less than an AR and an AR costs less than a Forge Gun, the bigger something is the more materials it costs to make and thus a higher price. Demand for heavy suits will also play a big role in this. Not many people want to be slow easy targets, and not many people want to go without equipment slots. Not many people will use a more expensive and in many ways inferior product. Demand will go down, and so will prices. Not really there will always be demand just perhaps not demand for protos, you need a heavy suit to wield HMGs and Forge guns and I'm assuming the Plasma cannons (coming soon) will similarly need them. People will still want to use these weapons just not lose the insanely expensive suits so they may drop to advanced, standard or even malitia, if you're constantly trying to run proto then you're doing it wrong. Not to mention price will never drop below material cost then plus a percentage however small that may be. People still want to make a profit off selling something. Once it drops too low people will just stop manufacturing them and thats the end of that.
I never said all demand will vanish. I'm saying demand will go low enough to trigger price cuts. Heavies are not the most popular suits. Your point about the material cost is conjecture. Sure the heavy requires more material to make because of its mass, but a scout for example could require very little but very expensive material, while the large quantities required to make a heavy might be cheap. I never said price would drop below the price of the materials, simply that prices will lower from lack of demand. We don't know that the plasma cannon will be a heavy weapon; it might be, but that is conjecture. All we know is its Gallente, and a dumbfire AV weapon. |
Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
265
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Posted - 2012.12.19 11:17:00 -
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Logi bro, best bro. Teamwork 4tw. Snipers suck. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.12.19 11:26:00 -
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NovaShadowStorm wrote:A suits price is or will eventually be valued on what kind of materials go into making them remember since this is a BETA we aren't linked to a player market yet and all items are being seeded at a set price when we go live this will not be the case. Scout suits are small light and frankly there isn't too much to them. Heavy suits are made of alot more material thus making them more expensive you may not like it but it's not a hard concept to grasp. A pistol costs less than an AR and an AR costs less than a Forge Gun, the bigger something is the more materials it costs to make and thus a higher price.
true and then there's supply and demand also, and political situations can effect the price of things such as hulkageddon
maybe some players might actually stock up and horde dust gear then flood the market at some other time |
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