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DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Requiring UVT for corp voice is not cool, not cool at all. Corp voice chat should be freely available to all corp members, requiring a UVT only makes is so less and less people actually voice up and squad up. Corp voice in an absolute essential, which is NOT what AUR purchases should be geared towards.

I mean as of now (at least in Codex) a 30 day UVT was only 10 AUR, which is nothing. But what if they start charging a similar price as the boosters? Are people really going to be Ok with spending 7,000 (~$3.50) AUR a week for the UVT just so they can use voice in corp?

No good CCP, not good at all! Whats next, you going to start charging us Aurum to change the sensitivity of the controller? Perhaps a nice big Aurum fee for using the in-game music feature? Once we give them an inch, they will take a mile.

If the UVT has a ISK variant, then it could be feasible. But it is downright greedy to require it for corp voice. A move like this makes me never want buy AUR again as a form of protest to this disgusting change, which will only get worse and worse.

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Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:33:00 - [1] - Quote Were does the patch notes say that we must use a UVT for basic necessities such as corp chat? Thats a sneaky move, CCP and will not go well with your consumers. Clearly a scheme to make more money, which could have been avoided if you merely informed us instead of sliding it in under the table. This beta will not do well if we are continued to be molested by those above us. Be more fair about things, CCP. Or we will be
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:34:00 - [2] - Quote To be fair, it might just be a bug.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:36:00 - [3] - Quote This has been the plan from Day 1, not a good one imo. They specifically said chat would be free in Teams and Squads, rest is UVT based, which does blow.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:36:00 - [4] - Quote Ever since UVTs were introduced, they said you needed to use them for corp chat. It's more likely that having it work without the UVT was a bug.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 784	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:39:00 - [5] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 This is where CCP said it, FYI. (When UVT's first came out months ago) Like garrett said : To the best of my knowledge, the fact you could use corp chat without a UVT was actually a bug, however convenient it may have been.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:40:00 - [6] - Quote The bug was no UVT required for corp chat. It's always been advertised as being required even when it wasn't. The reason is that corp chat has to go through the Eve servers rather than Sony in order to include your Eve members and CCP outsources that to a vendor who bills them real money for it. CCP can't afford to give it away to the huge number of players it expects, so it charges a small AUR fee to cover their expenses.
Government CheeseBurger Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 232	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:40:00 - [7] - Quote I think thing's will be better like this. It gets players out of corp chat and into team chat like it was before.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:41:00 - [8] - Quote Skihids wrote: The bug was no UVT required for corp chat. It's always been advertised as being required even when it wasn't. The reason is that corp chat has to go through the Eve servers rather than Sony in order to include your Eve members and CCP outsources that to a vendor who bills them real money for it. CCP can't afford to give it away to the huge number of players it expects, so it charges a small AUR fee to cover their expenses. Exactly. Thought this would still be better managed via cosmetic items in the market, which many people would buy in a heartbeat, and would more than cover any costs.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:41:00 - [9] - Quote Can't say I'm a fan of that honestly. But I understand in a way because if you don't need the UVT for corp chat there's really no reason to ever use one for most players. At this point it's a bit annoying but as long as UVT prices stay where they are now I feel it is something that can be dealt with. I can't look at the store right now but wouldn't $2 US buy you almost 3 years of UVT?
Exmaple Core UnReaL. 135	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:42:00 - [10] - Quote Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. a dev said this in Marvado's post. If this was planed from day one then we should have some heads up before this was forced upon us. Some of us wont have AUR ready untill later and wont be able to go into corp chat because it wasent on the list for update. Kinda shakes things for corps and individuals

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:46:00 - [11] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: If this was planed from day one then we should have some heads up before this was forced upon us. We DID. That same information has been available ever since UVTs came out.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:49:00 - [12] - Quote this honestly makes me want to scream, its hard for me to even reason logically why they would do this... Ok, deep breath... CCP... NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! NO! private chat channels, yes, but alliances, maybe, corps, NO. NO... Did I mention, NO?!
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:23:00 - [13] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: this honestly makes me want to scream, its hard for me to even reason logically why they would do this... Ok, deep breath... CCP... NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! NO! private chat channels, yes, but alliances, maybe, corps, NO. NO... Did I mention, NO?! Look, it costs CCP real money to pay a vendor to run that chat channel. You would have to pay for TeamSpeak, so you can't rightly expect to get the third party voice in game for free. The problem for most people is that the chat interface doesn't make it obvious when you are going outside the Sony architecture and through a third party. At least the corp channel is integrated into the DUST client where everyone can find it and different channels aren't scattered over several third parties where you would need to run a computer alongside your PS3.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:25:00 - [14] - Quote ...the game is 100% free...
Brennan Hekki Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 0	Posted - 2012.12.18 22:30:00 - [15] - Quote HTFU
PAUL BERNARD Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 76	Posted - 2012.12.18 23:09:00 - [16] - Quote CCP is notorious for slipping in massive changes without making mention of it.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2012.12.18 23:41:00 - [17] - Quote Requiring UVT for corp voice is not cool, not cool at all. Corp voice chat should be freely available to all corp members, requiring a UVT only makes is so less and less people actually voice up and squad up. Corp voice in an absolute essential, which is NOT what AUR purchases should be geared towards. I mean as of now (at least in Codex) a 30 day UVT was only 10 AUR, which is nothing. But what if they start charging a similar price as the boosters? Are people really going to be Ok with spending 7,000 (~$3.50) AUR a week for the UVT just so they can use voice in corp? No good CCP, not good at all! Whats next, you going to start charging us Aurum to change the sensitivity of the controller? Perhaps a nice big Aurum fee for using the in-game music feature? Once we give them an inch, they will take a mile. If the UVT has a ISK variant, then it could be feasible. But it is downright greedy to require it for corp voice. A move like this makes me never want buy AUR again as a form of protest to this disgusting change, which will only get worse and worse.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2012.12.18 23:54:00 - [18] - Quote PAUL BERNARD wrote: CCP is notorious for slipping in massive changes without making mention of it. Really? Name even one example. (the cost of $5 for all the UVTs you will ever need does NOT count)
Rugman91 Deep Space Republic 143	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:01:00 - [19] - Quote Yea i'm not too happy about this change. Hello teamspeak 3
Banjo Hero BurgezzE.T.F 17	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:07:00 - [20] - Quote Oh, the text chat's fine. Stick a USB keyboard on your PS3, and you're good to go. Don't have a keyboard to use with it, well, I hate using the controller to enter text, but for messages like "LFG" or whatever, it's harmless enough, and it remembers words you use, so you can always use the word list on the right if you really must use it to communicate something more complex. Honestly, I kind of prefer it this way - now I don't have to hear the rest of my corp members who are in a game while I'm fiddling with my fittings or looking through the market or whatever.

Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:12:00 - [21] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Requiring UVT for corp voice is not cool, not cool at all. Corp voice chat should be freely available to all corp members, requiring a UVT only makes is so less and less people actually voice up and squad up. Corp voice in an absolute essential, which is NOT what AUR purchases should be geared towards. I mean as of now (at least in Codex) a 30 day UVT was only 10 AUR, which is nothing. But what if they start charging a similar price as the boosters? Are people really going to be Ok with spending 7,000 (~$3.50) AUR a week for the UVT just so they can use voice in corp? No good CCP, not good at all! Whats next, you going to start charging us Aurum to change the sensitivity of the controller? Perhaps a nice big Aurum fee for using the in-game music feature? Once we give them an inch, they will take a mile. If the UVT has a ISK variant, then it could be feasible. But it is downright greedy to require it for corp voice. A move like this makes me never want buy AUR again as a form of protest to this disgusting change, which will only get worse and worse. Overreact much???
Christ0pher Blair Deep Space Republic 34	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:15:00 - [22] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: PAUL BERNARD wrote: CCP is notorious for slipping in massive changes without making mention of it. Really? Name even one example. (the cost of $5 for all the UVTs you will ever need does NOT count) This price is not set in stone, and is only cheap because of BETA.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:29:00 - [23] - Quote As long UVT is 10 AUR. Squad and Teamchat should be free imo. Corp chat is like social chat. We use team and squad chat a lot of times.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:39:00 - [24] - Quote TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: Squad and Teamchat should be free imo. That's already the case, and while not set in stone, it's not far from it. Squad and team chat are pretty much required for a current-gen game to be considered competent. Anything else is an added bonus, and one it's perfectly reasonable to NOT include. You can form a squad and use squad chat without actually being in battle. I'm still hoping we can form teams in a later update - whether that be a new build or a "hotfix" update - and have voice chat with a full team of other players before entering battle.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:58:00 - [25] - Quote Christ0pher Blair wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: PAUL BERNARD wrote: CCP is notorious for slipping in massive changes without making mention of it. Really? Name even one example. (the cost of $5 for all the UVTs you will ever need does NOT count) This price is not set in stone, and is only cheap because of BETA. Indeed the price is not set in stone, but it represents the general area CCP is aiming for, other wise it even having a price, or being in game at all at this point would be pointless.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2012.12.19 02:20:00 - [26] - Quote I personally am all for this. We are playing a wonderful free to play FPS with a fantastic background. I have no qualms with paying a little for an extra feature. Corp chats were a bug that got fixed. Time to deal with it or die.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.12.19 04:58:00 - [27] - Quote ... another reason why i asked how much they made so far. seriously... none of y'all saw this coming? Peace B
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.12.19 08:05:00 - [28] - Quote PAUL BERNARD wrote: CCP is notorious for slipping in massive changes without making mention of it. Read Nova Knife's post above you.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.12.19 08:16:00 - [29] - Quote Corp chat definitely should not be uvt, but idc since I'm the only one in my corp
Anyanka Shadowmane Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2012.12.19 08:40:00 - [30] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: Squad and Teamchat should be free imo. That's already the case, and while not set in stone, it's not far from it. Squad and team chat are pretty much required for a current-gen game to be considered competent. Anything else is an added bonus, and one it's perfectly reasonable to NOT include. You can form a squad and use squad chat without actually being in battle. I'm still hoping we can form teams in a later update - whether that be a new build or a "hotfix" update - and have voice chat with a full team of other players before entering battle. I totally agree. Squad and team chat are necessities to playing a functioning game. They should definitely remain free. But Corp chat, and indeed, any of the other chats, are luxuries. You don't need to be able to talk to your whole corp to co-ordinate your match as anyone in it should either be on your squad, or at least your team. Not being part of a player made corp, I've never bothered with corp chat, does it let you talk to your corp members who are on the other team? If so, I think that should be looked at, as I imagine that could be all too exploitable for Farming (as long as you have corp mates who don't mind getting killed to increase your WP.



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