Welp! You went against one of the best forge gunners. Ironhide, Spero and MAGlives are probably the best forge gunners in the game.

You just cant solo with your tank anymore unles you have good infantry support and/or a remote repper. Have someone tail you in an LAV or tank and rep you constantly. Thats the best way to stay alive right now.

Ishukone Forge is afaik a higher tier froge right? Did you also use a higher tier tank?

Forge guns are good against armor tanks and not so much against shields. Shield tankers have a higher survivability simply because there shields regenerate so quickly where as armor tankers are going to have to depend on damage resistors and armor repair modules to survive. So basically forge gunners in general have a better chance against the slower heavily armoured tanks than the faster more mobile heavily shielded tanks. That's probably why you had such a hard time against him you weren't able to get out of the way fast enough and your regen speed wasn't fast enough to get away before he got you.

Guess Ironhide finally becoming decent :P
someday the rest of us will be decent :(

I have a question. If the swarm launchers are explosive dmg isnt a forge gun an EM or Heat weapon. Therefore shouldnt it do less damage to armor compared to shields types because of the different resistances? I can take SL all day but like zero hits from a forge gun. Isnt that backwards?

GG yesterday NAV. Was fun chasing you around and dealing with that other pesky Sargaris your team had lol.

I know forge guns are more effective versus shields but shield tankers are much faster than armoured tankers. So forge gunners have an easier time against armor because of that and because armor regents so much slower.

Just get an armour tank Surya, 10K armour LOL. Forge gunners can take a few pops at you even the proto ones and youll be fine, you just have to have a safe gameplay mind. If you get hit by something nasty, back up asap. Doesnt matter if you can see it or not.

Yeah its an expensive fit, but you can run the best rep module and two armour plates on surya's and madrugars, railgun only may I add. Blasters draw too much. But you need that initial armour there to soak up the nasty proto AV gear, which appears to be everywhere and anywhere. Especially when forge gunners head glitch...

Actually, quit contrary. Forge guns are a hybrid weapon, and work equally on both health types. Furthermore, swarm launchers are actually more effective against armor tanks due to missile bonus damage. Even more, armor tanks can actually move faster than shield tanks due to the capability of more torque and speed modules. The only time a forge gun is a major annoyance is when you can't kill him, you can't run away, and he's got a buddy/prototype gear.

A speed module. There are boosters. Torque. And chassis modules. Only the chassis modules reduce your armor for a speed increase. And i would highly advise against using one if your an armor tank. There are better ways to increase your speed

I knew ther was a difference between the 2 but its even worse than i thought

Great i have more tank than a shield but a swarm volley or 2 can just wipe it off and the rep takes so long

I have a railgun fit and a blaster fit, my railgun fit is stronger than my shield railgun fit in tank and railgun DPS problem is its slow to move and prob 2 railgun shots will kill it anyways. The blaster i have yet to test but its got a big tank on it its just cant really be still and have to keep moving

Its the speed which kills me and the godlike swarms

I did it in a 1mil fit gunloggi, why couldn't you?

Am I the only one who sticks an afterburner on my armor tank? with one on I'm not much slower then an LAV. (yes i know its a fusion power plant not an AB but AB sounds better)

nah not the torque modules personally i'd never give up the dmg and armor module slots on my tank, the power plant module goes in the mid slots and you have to activate it, has no cool down though so you just keep it active and you can go pretty dam fast.

One does not simply dodge swarms..............

Torque modules work? I never saw any difference.

There is some situations where you can escape swarms, annoys me the way they will turn a corner though, but with trial and error you figure out how they will act depending on the terrain.

A forge gun will do the same damage to both a shield tank and an armor tank just to let you guys know. shields are generally a little harder bc they can get away from me before I can get the finishing shot on the tank. This is only the really good tanks I'm talking about

Have to disagree here...

Having declared war on ground AV today, Armor tanking was the ideal choice for the HK servers. Even though I lost a few tanks today, I obtained hundreds of kills in a matter of hours thanks to my Surya's multiple active mods that easily absorbed even the strongest Forge Guns.

Forge guns are railguns they do thermal/kinetic.

They are equally good against both. if you chop up an HAV easily it means one of two things.

They tried to shield tank a gallente HAV

or...

They tried to armor tank a caldari HAV.

When picking your primary defenses, amarr and gallente are optimized for armor.

Caldari are optimized for shields.

Minmatar swing both ways. They are the only real bitanksuals in the game.

If your tank is armor, it is almost a guarantee that fitting two reps is in your best interests one max sized armor plate, one resistance amp, two reps.

Shields need to retreat every so often to recharge.

Armor tanks tend to have higher baseline and module HPs to account for the fact that reps are slower. take that higher HP count and add hardeners and it looks like forges are not good compared to against shields.

Use armor hardners. They are your best friend! :D


*RAGE QUITS*

NAV HIV tanks are a waste of time bringing out unless u are carefull and extreamly cautious, Good team. Or if u got Armor/Shield, Armor/sheild hardener mods, Powergrid/Cpu,Turrets,speed,Damage mods as high a level as they will go 5. Even then ur SL/FG bait.



Heck there will be no one on map with swarms or FG but as soon as someone brings out a 2 million isk tank everyone trys to kill you. Most of the time i bring one (madruger/Soma/GL/Sica) out just to get everyone chasing me so my team can take objectives or get easy kills, cause im all the emeny cares about all of a sudden. LOL ...



Just buy a tank 200,000 equip it cheap, drive it around and let 10 dudes pick on ya the whole time.

Save up good mods,turrets,Tanks, ect. untill u get marauder X 3 to 5, and everything else that has any importance for armor tanking up to lvl. 5. . Im one or 2 SP points from almost everything leveled up to 5. If u bring out ur surya me and all the other dudes with good AV, will just kill ur wallet.

Ps. Turrets lvled and proficiencys up to and u will start seeing big difference. Dont waste ur suyra's or higher yet untill u do.


Besides u can put almost same armor and all else on madruger -1 Low powered and have about 9000 armor 1000 shield or so depending on ur skills, which if u are lower lvl on some things is about the same u will have on Surya.

U most likely need better Mods like me. Ive got 6,500,000 SP and all in tanks/Turrets,Aromor/shield,pwgrid ect. Besides like 1.7 to 2 mill in assualt DS and AR., FG,SL.



Good luck man Tanks suck right now. I cant wait till the next reset, i wont waste all my SP on them again, cause theres always some winer on forums crying about something being OP. When most of the time they mostly just suck, or were running around like there in COD being rambo taking on an organized team. But (lasers are OP tho LOL).



It all started with missle tanks cause peeps couldn't kill the tanks b4 they got killed by the missles. WA WA WA., Its mostly all about skill, SP, TEAMWORK. If an skilled player lets say hes an Imp. (or Red*Star) wearing proto gear assault or whatever takes on an organized team or squad ill bet 9 out of 10 times that Imp. is dead.



Its the same with Tanks man dont bring them out, or at least the expensive loadouts unless u got infantry support that u trust, cause u wont be able to kill all the AV dudes, But ur squadmates can and most likely will or atleast make the tank driver on enemy side high tail it for the red line. Besides tanks are frickin spendy man only teams with lots of ISK (from Tournament or snuck it threw when you could from EVE or doing the create player donate a mill to corp, delete and redo BS,) are excelling with their tanks.



Just my 2 isk that i wish i had, My best Tank loaded to the gills causts me like 2 to 2.5 Million isk. And thats not counting the Assault/Logi DS with a Repper. Look forward to seeing u on battlefield fellow poor tanker.

My Madrugar can take 8 hits from an Advanced Forge Gun, and 3-4 hits from a Proto Breach, at which point I'd have already hit my Nitro and gotten out of there. Fit your tank better.

Its all fine and dandy when its one dude with a FG, most times when i bring out a tank there are no AVs on, 1o seconds after i bring out a tank theres FG and SL everywere. My corp director says run for cover and im like its to late KABOOOM.

Tanks need to be way stronger man, I roll out with HIGHS 1 180mm, 1 120mm or another 180mm, 1 hardener, 1 or 2 energized plate, Jovian thingy for torque. LOWS 1 Damage control mod, Speed boosters(cant remember name, 1 shield regen. one FG dude took me out with my surya, i was blastering him the whole time and i didn't do crap for damage on him and i was hitting him. REALLY hate this game sometimes.

Cant wait for a reset again and they need to make it just as hard to skill up into swarms/FG/Snipers as the do for HAVs, so sick of loosing 2+ million isk to some scavenger that cant kill somone with an AR and took out my tank with like 500,000 skillpoints in FG, with maybe a 100,000 isk DS loadout.. CCP is going to have no HAV drivers soon so they may as well get rid of AV weapons. Talk about rage quiting, no wonder.

seems like u didnt fit ur tank properly

get good then?
or stop bringing in tanks with no support

i dont have a problem keepin my tank up with infantry support and i can soak up some decent AV fire

Its been a trend of late against Red Star tanks. The only way anyone can take out a Red Star tank with a dual precision strike

Money down my tank could take on all of redstars tankers at once.

As for orbitals they are getting on the strong side ccp needs to ton down mmc orbitals. I can get 13 kills off of one easily and they rip apart tanks now.

Saddamm Hussien?? was ***** out cool.

Oh no i am doomed you beat alldins blaster tank. Ask alldin if he will ever bring out a tank if i am running with my rail.

Also ask that sagaris and gunnlogi i redlined and popped while my whole team is redlined itself. I have not lost a tank to another tank since i have hit proto rails.

Now for forges and swarms i personally think swarms should not get a 30% bonus vs armor and forges need a little tweaking i think millitant should not exist and standard and advanced need to take a small damage nerf.