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WHz DS9899
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:25:00 -
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From my understanding, There is no difference in going 5/0 in a tank than going 5/0 with the free militia kits (If you kill the same fits), which is bad. Very bad. That means that money-wise it's just not worth it to even use a tank, because 1: their so expensive, and 2: I can get the same payout in something that's way cheaper. That's a problem. Now What my idea is that the more your fit costs, the more you should get for doing battles for both ISK and SP. Same with dropsuits. This will keep the pilots, especially the solo ones, from going broke, the ground troops from complianing (they really don't know what it's like, but I do, because I'm both). Problem solved |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:32:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:From my understanding, There is no difference in going 5/0 in a tank than going 5/0 with the free militia kits (If you kill the same fits), which is bad. Very bad. That means that money-wise it's just not worth it to even use a tank, because 1: their so expensive, and 2: I can get the same payout in something that's way cheaper. That's a problem. Now What my idea is that the more your fit costs, the more you should get for doing battles for both ISK and SP. Same with dropsuits. This will keep the pilots, especially the solo ones, from going broke, the ground troops from complianing (they really don't know what it's like, but I do, because I'm both). Problem solved I don't agree with this. I think the payout should be based on performance alone to keep the play field even, and to award skillpoints based on what you kill and what you use to kill it. Getting a ton of SP for killing a Proto suit with a Militia suit is one of the best means for new players to get into the game and rise to a level that lets them compete. |
Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:38:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:From my understanding, There is no difference in going 5/0 in a tank than going 5/0 with the free militia kits (If you kill the same fits), which is bad. Very bad. That means that money-wise it's just not worth it to even use a tank, because 1: their so expensive, and 2: I can get the same payout in something that's way cheaper. That's a problem. Now What my idea is that the more your fit costs, the more you should get for doing battles for both ISK and SP. Same with dropsuits. This will keep the pilots, especially the solo ones, from going broke, the ground troops from complianing (they really don't know what it's like, but I do, because I'm both). Problem solved
This idea is terrible. You will wind up flooding the market with ISK which will, in turn, raise the cost of gear itself (once the market opens up a little further), followed by no one being able to run anything but militia bringing you right back round to where we are now. Terrible. There are also a host of other reasons this is very bad but I'm far too drunk to elaborate further, maybe tomorrow.
Just know your idea is terrible and you should feel bad for thinking of it. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:43:00 -
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Gemini Reynolds wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:From my understanding, There is no difference in going 5/0 in a tank than going 5/0 with the free militia kits (If you kill the same fits), which is bad. Very bad. That means that money-wise it's just not worth it to even use a tank, because 1: their so expensive, and 2: I can get the same payout in something that's way cheaper. That's a problem. Now What my idea is that the more your fit costs, the more you should get for doing battles for both ISK and SP. Same with dropsuits. This will keep the pilots, especially the solo ones, from going broke, the ground troops from complianing (they really don't know what it's like, but I do, because I'm both). Problem solved This idea is terrible. You will wind up flooding the market with ISK which will, in turn, raise the cost of gear itself (once the market opens up a little further), followed by no one being able to run anything but militia bringing you right back round to where we are now. Terrible. There are also a host of other reasons this is very bad but I'm far too drunk to elaborate further, maybe tomorrow. Just know your idea is terrible and you should feel bad for thinking of it.
I'm not saying raise it super high, just enough to where pilots can get by without having to run the free suits for several games just to get 1 tank. How would you like to wait 5 games to use a regular dropsuit fitting that you have only to spawn in and get killed by a sniper? You wouldn't. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:47:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:From my understanding, There is no difference in going 5/0 in a tank than going 5/0 with the free militia kits (If you kill the same fits), which is bad. Very bad. That means that money-wise it's just not worth it to even use a tank, because 1: their so expensive, and 2: I can get the same payout in something that's way cheaper. That's a problem. Now What my idea is that the more your fit costs, the more you should get for doing battles for both ISK and SP. Same with dropsuits. This will keep the pilots, especially the solo ones, from going broke, the ground troops from complianing (they really don't know what it's like, but I do, because I'm both). Problem solved I don't agree with this. I think the payout should be based on performance alone to keep the play field even, and to award skillpoints based on what you kill and what you use to kill it. Getting a ton of SP for killing a Proto suit with a Militia suit is one of the best means for new players to get into the game and rise to a level that lets them compete.
i'm saying that the better stuff would get a better payout so you could get another one instead of waiting 5 games to get another. You would still get a good ISK/SP payout if you do well, but this just helps balance how much people are getting, because right now, there is no balance. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1041
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:53:00 -
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No. since you have no clue on how the dust economy is intended to work Ill just call you names and skip the boring parts.
scrub |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:55:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:No. since you have no clue on how the dust economy is intended to work Ill just call you names and skip the boring parts.
scrub Do you use vehicles or really expensive dropsuit fittings? If not, then this isn't directed towards you. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
385
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Posted - 2012.12.10 05:03:00 -
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What the alcoholic said |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1041
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Posted - 2012.12.10 05:03:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Free Beers wrote:No. since you have no clue on how the dust economy is intended to work Ill just call you names and skip the boring parts.
scrub Do you use vehicles or really expensive dropsuit fittings? If not, then this isn't directed towards you.
I run 100k suits and have alts that run ds and tanks. I also vary the suits i wear because isk matters. Dust isn't intended for you to run your best suits/vehicles all the time.
Nothing you stated in your OP will happen because its contradictory to how the economy is set up. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.12.10 05:27:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Free Beers wrote:No. since you have no clue on how the dust economy is intended to work Ill just call you names and skip the boring parts.
scrub Do you use vehicles or really expensive dropsuit fittings? If not, then this isn't directed towards you. I run 100k suits and have alts that run ds and tanks. I also vary the suits i wear because isk matters. Dust isn't intended for you to run your best suits/vehicles all the time. Nothing you stated in your OP will happen because its contradictory to how the economy is set up.
Then you should know a decent tank that's concidered a low powered costs 500k isk. If a perosn gets the same ammount of money as me running a free fit, then he should do a hell of a lot more than I did in a 500,000 isk tank because it's fair. Right now, this economy is broken, because it rewards peeople who don't spend any of their money to do as good, or even better then soemone who has put so much more. Yes, I don't run my most expensive stuff all the time, hell, I rarely even get to use my tank because it costs so much. But it's irrating when somehow a guy with a kit that costs 10x less or even more kills me in one shot from across the map and I lose money, but he gains. Now do you think this is a terrible idea? If you do, then your mind is warped. |
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Carl Hauser
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.12.10 12:22:00 -
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I see the point of the OP but I dont think his solution will work out well, for mentioned reasons. I would rather like see some kind of time limited insurence for expensive stuff similar to whats poosible in EVE (of course you need to buy it first).
I think this could help to encourage people to field more expensive stuff. Right now only very good or very rich players field good stuff that leads to two problems in my opinion.
1. The difference between a good/rich and a casual gamer will grow (because your fitting can decide a battle)
2. Even the good players won't get that much because as far as I know yor payload is somewhat linked to the metalevel of gear you destroy. The higher Metalevel the higher your payload.
Right now most players run in cheap or even militia gear wich result in low ISK rewards even if you perform well. |
Fluffeh Ingle
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.12.10 12:34:00 -
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Gemini Reynolds wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:From my understanding, There is no difference in going 5/0 in a tank than going 5/0 with the free militia kits (If you kill the same fits), which is bad. Very bad. That means that money-wise it's just not worth it to even use a tank, because 1: their so expensive, and 2: I can get the same payout in something that's way cheaper. That's a problem. Now What my idea is that the more your fit costs, the more you should get for doing battles for both ISK and SP. Same with dropsuits. This will keep the pilots, especially the solo ones, from going broke, the ground troops from complianing (they really don't know what it's like, but I do, because I'm both). Problem solved This idea is terrible. You will wind up flooding the market with ISK which will, in turn, raise the cost of gear itself (once the market opens up a little further), followed by no one being able to run anything but militia bringing you right back round to where we are now. Terrible. There are also a host of other reasons this is very bad but I'm far too drunk to elaborate further, maybe tomorrow. Just know your idea is terrible and you should feel bad for thinking of it.
This is going to happen as soon as the multi-billion to Trillion and larger ISK wallets start funding corps.
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.12.10 14:26:00 -
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Its mainly on performance
In my dropsuit if i do very little i get 100k, if i do okay its 150-200k and anything better 250k+
In my tank i tend to average 150-250k and on a damn good game 250-400k which is mainly down to me hammering the bolas |
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