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Maken Tosch wrote:

J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Obviously this OP has already made up his mind and will only accept doom and gloom for DUST. It's like a Christian evangelical constantly denying evolution regardless of physical proof.

I'm through talking to this guy on this thread.

Nice way to throw in that jab...

Off topic, but there is still much debate and physical evidence AGAINST evolution, as much as proponents deny it.
While arguments can be very flawed especially in the fervent christian community, there are also very good arguments against it.

Personally, I believe in adaptation and natural selection, but find that that gaps between species and the whole concept of a common ansestor presents to o many holes in the theory.

In other words, I believe in a mix of the valid parts of the theory, and also my christian beliefs that support it. Labelin every christian that way os quite a stereotype and sweepin generalization.

I did not say all christians are like that. I just happen to notice that a certain sect of them understand the book of genesis as if it's meant to be read in literal terms (I'm Gnostic and I read it in allegorical or symbolic terms only). Perhaps it's the Orthodox Christians I was referring to.

Anyways, that's besides the point. I was merely using the Christian argument to point out how willfully ignorant the OP is at this moment. I can understand the many flaws with Dust 514, but that doesn't mean I'm obligated to see the whole thing as a glass that is half empty. I see the glass half full instead. But it's not just the amount of water in the container that matters. What about the chemical make up of the glass itself? It's shape maybe? Or how tall is that glass? Is the water being filled slowly or quickly? That's how I see Dust.

Unfortunately for the OP, he just decided to stick with seeing the glass as just destroyed or non-existent. We already provided our valid arguments regarding the Unreal Engine. So far the OP has already made up his mind. There is no convincing him.


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J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.09 14:22:00 - [1] - Quote I kinda agree... They were at this stage in development 2+ years ago, as evidenced by the trailers, and it looked better then. Then they switched to UE3 to develop it on consoles... I think their time would have been better spent optimizing the Carbon engine for FPS on console than completely restarting the game from scratch on UE3. Imagins where we would be now if they had kept it. Its really baffling to me to see that they threw all their work out the window, considering a trailer using in game footsge from 3 years ago was more completethan we have now, and with less issues...
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.09 18:22:00 - [2] - Quote I am on the fence regarding these things, because I am not in the know. But I can see this: Ziot has stated there are unavoidable flaws with UE3, the ENGINE of the game. Most replies defending DUST seem to auote it being a work in progress... But the "WIP" part is the CODE, running on the ENGINE... If Ziot is indeed right, then you are missing his point. The game is could be the best coded game ever but be flawdd by an engine that is flawed. An analogy: Ziot is saying, that the earth and foundation of the house CCP is building is fundamentally bad, but the rebuttals try to say, " Bu-bu-bu-bu... The house is going to be really nice looking and full of features and it has strong walls!" If the foundation of the house is weak, it breaks the house, no matter how much cool stuff or how solid the walls are put together. The code merely fuels the engine to do what it does. You could put Super Ultra Premium Plus 9000 type fuel in it, but if the engine itself is crap, the car will break down. See what I mean? Now, I am not advocating one or the other. I truly don't know to say that the UE3 is unsuitable for this type of game. Maybe Ziot is wrong, or maybe he is right. But I do know that you all were skirting around his fundamental point: Is DUST doomed to poor performance, bugs, and will it ever reach it's full potential; and was this due to CCP's use of the Unreal Engine 3? Just trying to steer the debate in the right direction, rather than verbally beating around the bush.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.09 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Obviously this OP has already made up his mind and will only accept doom and gloom for DUST. It's like a Christian evangelical constantly denying evolution regardless of physical proof. I'm through talking to this guy on this thread. Nice way to throw in that jab... Off topic, but there is still much debate and physical evidence AGAINST evolution, as much as proponents deny it. While arguments can be very flawed especially in the fervent christian community, there are also very good arguments against it. Personally, I believe in adaptation and natural selection, but find that that gaps between species and the whole concept of a common ansestor presents to o many holes in the theory. In other words, I believe in a mix of the valid parts of the theory, and also my christian beliefs that support it. Labelin every christian that way os quite a stereotype and sweepin generalization.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.10 02:20:00 - [4] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Obviously this OP has already made up his mind and will only accept doom and gloom for DUST. It's like a Christian evangelical constantly denying evolution regardless of physical proof. I'm through talking to this guy on this thread. Nice way to throw in that jab... Off topic, but there is still much debate and physical evidence AGAINST evolution, as much as proponents deny it. While arguments can be very flawed especially in the fervent christian community, there are also very good arguments against it. Personally, I believe in adaptation and natural selection, but find that that gaps between species and the whole concept of a common ansestor presents to o many holes in the theory. In other words, I believe in a mix of the valid parts of the theory, and also my christian beliefs that support it. Labelin every christian that way os quite a stereotype and sweepin generalization. I did not say all christians are like that. I just happen to notice that a certain sect of them understand the book of genesis as if it's meant to be read in literal terms (I'm Gnostic and I read it in allegorical or symbolic terms only). Perhaps it's the Orthodox Christians I was referring to. Anyways, that's besides the point. I was merely using the Christian argument to point out how willfully ignorant the OP is at this moment. I can understand the many flaws with Dust 514, but that doesn't mean I'm obligated to see the whole thing as a glass that is half empty. I see the glass half full instead. But it's not just the amount of water in the container that matters. What about the chemical make up of the glass itself? It's shape maybe? Or how tall is that glass? Is the water being filled slowly or quickly? That's how I see Dust. Unfortunately for the OP, he just decided to stick with seeing the glass as just destroyed or non-existent. We already provided our valid arguments regarding the Unreal Engine. So far the OP has already made up his mind. There is no convincing him. No offense taken. I just wanted to say that there are those of us put there who are Christians but still use science and such instead of religious platitudes out there to defend our faith. @others If you believe that evolution is so undisputable, you have never come ip against a good argument against it. Being a forum about DUST 514, I think it would be better to end all religious debate here, and focus on DUST 514. Suffice it to say that I do have several good pieces of evidence and reasoned arguments against evoluion if I had the time and place to post it. And I mean evolution, not adaptation/natural selection
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.10 02:23:00 - [5] - Quote But anyways, Back on topic. As I mentioned before. You all are refuting him on the subject of the game bring a work in Progress, not on his basis of a problem with the game engine as a whole. Is there any arguments lut there to support or deny his assertions that Unreal Engone is limiting the game to a large extent?