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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 10:27:00 -
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So I unlocked Prototype ARs recently (woohoo) and I found I had quite a few Creodon Breach Assault Rifles. So I decided to make a fit to utilize them.
Slapped on 2 Complex Light Weapon Damage mods, got my repair nanohive and proceeded to fight in an ambush.
Now, I've found this Rifle to be perfect for "ambushing" other players, the high damage and slow shots lead to good precise aiming, yet not having to let go of the trigger (Like the tac) makes it a fun weapon.
So as I've found, it's good at ambushing players, but it's greatly weaker than the other rifles in a 1 on 1 confrontation. Majority of people I spoke to about it said they'd rather use the Duvolle Assault due to it being a lot cheaper and better for killing.
What are your thoughts? |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 10:51:00 -
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I've just "spent" my 40 captured Creodons. They're not exactly bad, but noticably inferior to a Duvolle, which is a lot cheaper, it doesn't make any sense. If they bring back proper AR recoil it might make up for some of the gap in performance, the Breach weapons kick far less because of the low ROF, making sustained accurate fire easier. They're also supposed to have a tighter hipfire spread, but I really didn't notice any noteworthy difference.
If it were up to me, they'd simply un-nerf them back to the way they were, in my opinion there wasn't anything wrong with them in the first place.
Alternatively they could be given a buff and the TAC ARs could be removed all together or they should get a major nerf to ROF, I'm quite fed up with loosing my 600 EHP suit in less than a second to whats obviously modded controlers. I have played a lot with the Codewish myself, (without cheating) and I know I can drop people insanely fast, but no were near as fast as some have dropped me. Perhaps a -25% or even - 50% reduction to ROF?
If someone have access to the data, what would be the DPS of a Codewish with a 50% drop in ROF?
For refference: the Duvolle has a DPS of 450. (750*36/60) |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:01:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I have played a lot with the Codewish myself, (without cheating)
Without cheating as in ONLY without the modded controller, or without taking advantage of the extra PG/CPU that you shouldn't be getting as well? |
HERCULEZE
Neanderthal Nation
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:01:00 -
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In the great words of Edwin Starr "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING" |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:21:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:KingBabar wrote:I have played a lot with the Codewish myself, (without cheating) Without cheating as in ONLY without the modded controller, or without taking advantage of the extra PG/CPU that you shouldn't be getting as well?
Without the modded controller, which I classify as cheating.
The ekstra CPU/PG is an exploit at the worst, not cheating. As long as a developer intends an item to be what and how it is, I'm merely using it as intended. That the developer in this case has made a weapon thats obviously OP is another matter entirely. Using a gun as intended is perhaps an exploit, but it can't be called cheating. Using a modded controller wich is definately NOT inteded from the developers is definatley cheating. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:32:00 -
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i allready sated that the tactical AR's have a higher rate off fire in theory (just look at the stats off it). In my opinion the tactical AR's should have a rate off fire around 400-500 rounds per minute and not 789 as it is at the moment. That would get rid off the modded controller abusers. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:53:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:i allready sated that the tactical AR's have a higher rate off fire in theory (just look at the stats off it). In my opinion the tactical AR's should have a rate off fire around 400-500 rounds per minute and not 789 as it is at the moment. That would get rid off the modded controller abusers.
If I remember coorectly, the Codewish does 52 damage?
That will make: DPS = 789*52/60 = 683,8 Thats a lot more than the 450 you get with a Duvolle.... |
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Posted - 2012.12.03 12:55:00 -
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Breach's got uber nerfed, twice, need uber buff naow. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:04:00 -
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I put the creodron breaches on my cheap militia fit just to use them up since I got them for free. Yes.....they are mostly worthless. I find that when I use them I get most of my kills by killing enemies who are shooting other people. I also get a ton of assists with this gun. Its horrible at fighting 1 on 1 as it has less range and less ROF then all other ARs. In a 1 on 1 confrontation a Normal AR completely kicks my butt if the enemy can aim.....I just cant do enough dmg fast enough....even with HS I only get like 2-4 shots in before im dead if we start to attack eachother at the same time. |
Dust Goon
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:08:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I've just "spent" my 40 captured Creodons. They're not exactly bad, but noticably inferior to a Duvolle, which is a lot cheaper, it doesn't make any sense. If they bring back proper AR recoil it might make up for some of the gap in performance, the Breach weapons kick far less because of the low ROF, making sustained accurate fire easier. They're also supposed to have a tighter hipfire spread, but I really didn't notice any noteworthy difference.
If it were up to me, they'd simply un-nerf them back to the way they were, in my opinion there wasn't anything wrong with them in the first place.
Alternatively they could be given a buff and the TAC ARs could be removed all together or they should get a major nerf to ROF, I'm quite fed up with loosing my 600 EHP suit in less than a second to whats obviously modded controlers. I have played a lot with the Codewish myself, (without cheating) and I know I can drop people insanely fast, but no were near as fast as some have dropped me. Perhaps a -25% or even - 50% reduction to ROF?
If someone have access to the data, what would be the DPS of a Codewish with a 50% drop in ROF?
For refference: the Duvolle has a DPS of 450. (750*36/60)
Everyone using our gun now? (I'm Cerebral Wolf)
They key is to limit the ROF on the tacs to about a shot ever half second or second, that would remove the modded controller issues. |
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semperfi1999
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:18:00 -
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Dust Goon wrote:KingBabar wrote:I've just "spent" my 40 captured Creodons. They're not exactly bad, but noticably inferior to a Duvolle, which is a lot cheaper, it doesn't make any sense. If they bring back proper AR recoil it might make up for some of the gap in performance, the Breach weapons kick far less because of the low ROF, making sustained accurate fire easier. They're also supposed to have a tighter hipfire spread, but I really didn't notice any noteworthy difference.
If it were up to me, they'd simply un-nerf them back to the way they were, in my opinion there wasn't anything wrong with them in the first place.
Alternatively they could be given a buff and the TAC ARs could be removed all together or they should get a major nerf to ROF, I'm quite fed up with loosing my 600 EHP suit in less than a second to whats obviously modded controlers. I have played a lot with the Codewish myself, (without cheating) and I know I can drop people insanely fast, but no were near as fast as some have dropped me. Perhaps a -25% or even - 50% reduction to ROF?
If someone have access to the data, what would be the DPS of a Codewish with a 50% drop in ROF?
For refference: the Duvolle has a DPS of 450. (750*36/60) Everyone using our gun now? (I'm Cerebral Wolf) They key is to limit the ROF on the tacs to about a shot ever half second or second, that would remove the modded controller issues.
1 shot a second is wayyy to slow. The shots should be slower than the breach AR but not 1 shot a second....noone would ever use that gun again. |
Dust Goon
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:21:00 -
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It's not designed for high ROF, close combat.
It's a high skill, high damage, high accuracy rifle designed for people to pick their fights at medium to long range, not a jack of all trades AR like the Duvolle. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:28:00 -
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Dust Goon wrote:It's not designed for high ROF, close combat.
It's a high skill, high damage, high accuracy rifle designed for people to pick their fights at medium to long range, not a jack of all trades AR like the Duvolle.
Sorry, were you replying to the OP or talking about the Tac Rifle?
If you were on about the Breach, it has awful range compared to the other rifles. It's simple great for precision shots without having to tap R1 repeatedly \o/ |
Dust Goon
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:44:00 -
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it was a reply to the post above it... |
xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.03 16:29:00 -
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un-nerf my noob slayer |
Finn Kempers
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 17:07:00 -
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xjumpman23 wrote:un-nerf my noob slayer
Those were the days. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 17:49:00 -
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Dust Goon wrote:It's not designed for high ROF, close combat.
It's a high skill, high damage, high accuracy rifle designed for people to pick their fights at medium to long range, not a jack of all trades AR like the Duvolle.
1 shot a second is about the same ROF as a sniper rifle without the huge amount of damage that the sniper rifle can do. Think of it this way......if the dmg with all bonuses was 60HP per hit. Then this means it would take 9 shots (no HS just body shots) to kill my suit. At 1 shot per second it would take someone using this gun 9 seconds to kill me. In that time frame if I am not a moron I can hide recharge my shield close the distance (the tact rifles increased range is not that far off from the other rifles) and easily get the kill.
As I said make it slower than the breach but not down to 1 shot per second. This would then be a worthless gun |
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