DUST Search - What CCP could to do bring back the player base?

Corvus Ravensong wrote:

Necrodermis wrote:

doesn't matter what they do if they don't improve balance, and get rid of the bugs (hit detection, random kicks, terrible community) players will just leave again.

That's just because a LOT of people seem to think this game has already released..........
We're beta testers, in a real development beta, actually breaking stuff, reporting the stuff we break, and seeing a lot of it fixed.

We're here to TEST the game. If you are looking for something you can just play without bugs, without balance issues, maybe you should follow their lead and quit untill the game has been released.

Don't worry, the devs won't miss you, and the people who are actually here to test the game will continue to report bugs so that CCP can squash them before release.

P.S. It's hard to bring back a player base to a game that hasn't lost it's player base, due to not having a player base. Player base is something you build AFTER RELEASE. And if you can't understand that you are a TESTER, not a PLAYER, you need to go back to game development 101, or steer clear of games that use a "real" beta period rather than a "release week preview" beta.

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Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.11.30 20:28:00 - [1] - Quote With the skill caps in place and the diminishing ISK rewards in place, it is basically a god to honest waste of time playing the game for more than a couple of days. Here is some ways CCP can bring back the player base;- 1. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours at least certain BPOS. These BPOS can be increased over time. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a free toxin gun. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a free tier 1 AR or Shotgun. 2. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours ISK/SP packets. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a 100K SP boost. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a 200K SP boost and 1 million isk 3. Have more double SP events 4. Fix the game mechanics Just my 0.02 AUR. Edit: Changed ISK cap to diminishing ISK rewards because we have expert linquistics critics in here.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.11.30 20:36:00 - [2] - Quote Or just wait until COD and Halo blow over.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 384	Posted - 2012.11.30 20:39:00 - [3] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Or just wait until COD and Halo blow over. So just wait til around January?
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.11.30 20:42:00 - [4] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Or just wait until COD and Halo blow over. +1 for this. By that time hopefully a lot of the buggy bugs will be fixed.
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 145	Posted - 2012.11.30 20:51:00 - [5] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: With the skill caps in place and the ISK caps in place, it is basically a god to honest waste of time playing the game for more than a couple of days. Here is some ways CCP can bring back the player base;- 1. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours at least certain BPOS. These BPOS can be increased over time. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a free toxin gun. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a free tier 1 AR or Shotgun. 2. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours ISK/SP packets. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a 100K SP boost. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a 200K SP boost and 1 million isk 3. Have more double SP events 4. Fix the game mechanics Just my 0.02 AUR. Hmm what isk cap are you talking about i still make lot's of isk so proof or stop with the false statement's
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.11.30 20:53:00 - [6] - Quote doesn't matter what they do if they don't improve balance, and get rid of the bugs (hit detection, random kicks, terrible community) players will just leave again.
Corvus Ravensong Skyel Industries Subspace Exploration Agency 179	Posted - 2012.11.30 21:11:00 - [7] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: doesn't matter what they do if they don't improve balance, and get rid of the bugs (hit detection, random kicks, terrible community) players will just leave again. That's just because a LOT of people seem to think this game has already released.......... We're beta testers, in a real development beta, actually breaking stuff, reporting the stuff we break, and seeing a lot of it fixed. We're here to TEST the game. If you are looking for something you can just play without bugs, without balance issues, maybe you should follow their lead and quit untill the game has been released. Don't worry, the devs won't miss you, and the people who are actually here to test the game will continue to report bugs so that CCP can squash them before release. P.S. It's hard to bring back a player base to a game that hasn't lost it's player base, due to not having a player base. Player base is something you build AFTER RELEASE. And if you can't understand that you are a TESTER, not a PLAYER, you need to go back to game development 101, or steer clear of games that use a "real" beta period rather than a "release week preview" beta.
EriktheHeartless Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2012.11.30 21:23:00 - [8] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: With the skill caps in place and the diminishing ISK rewards in place, it is basically a god to honest waste of time playing the game for more than a couple of days. Here is some ways CCP can bring back the player base;- 1. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours at least certain BPOS. These BPOS can be increased over time. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a free toxin gun. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a free tier 1 AR or Shotgun. 2. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours ISK/SP packets. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a 100K SP boost. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a 200K SP boost and 1 million isk 3. Have more double SP events 4. Fix the game mechanics Just my 0.02 AUR. Edit: Changed ISK cap to diminishing ISK rewards because we have expert linquistics critics in here. #4 main one right there.fix the game mechanics and people will come back and tell friends how much they enjoy the game without the backhanded compliment of "great game it's so fun but you know fps wise it's very sub par"
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.11.30 21:28:00 - [9] - Quote Corvus Ravensong wrote: Necrodermis wrote: doesn't matter what they do if they don't improve balance, and get rid of the bugs (hit detection, random kicks, terrible community) players will just leave again. That's just because a LOT of people seem to think this game has already released.......... We're beta testers, in a real development beta, actually breaking stuff, reporting the stuff we break, and seeing a lot of it fixed. We're here to TEST the game. If you are looking for something you can just play without bugs, without balance issues, maybe you should follow their lead and quit untill the game has been released. Don't worry, the devs won't miss you, and the people who are actually here to test the game will continue to report bugs so that CCP can squash them before release. P.S. It's hard to bring back a player base to a game that hasn't lost it's player base, due to not having a player base. Player base is something you build AFTER RELEASE. And if you can't understand that you are a TESTER, not a PLAYER, you need to go back to game development 101, or steer clear of games that use a "real" beta period rather than a "release week preview" beta. Amen brother!
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.11.30 21:42:00 - [10] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: With the skill caps in place and the diminishing ISK rewards in place The coitus?

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.11.30 21:49:00 - [11] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Or just wait until COD and Halo blow over. Pauses Borderlands 2. Looks over at Dead Island GOTY, Tales of Graces, Resident Evil 6, etc. still unopened. Goes back to playing Borderlands 2.
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 145	Posted - 2012.11.30 21:49:00 - [12] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: With the skill caps in place and the diminishing ISK rewards in place, it is basically a god to honest waste of time playing the game for more than a couple of days. Here is some ways CCP can bring back the player base;- 1. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours at least certain BPOS. These BPOS can be increased over time. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a free toxin gun. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a free tier 1 AR or Shotgun. 2. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours ISK/SP packets. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a 100K SP boost. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a 200K SP boost and 1 million isk 3. Have more double SP events 4. Fix the game mechanics Just my 0.02 AUR. Edit: Changed ISK cap to diminishing ISK rewards because we have expert linquistics critics in here. Still false get your fact's straight the isk i earn has never diminished at all isk payout's are based on what the other side run's gear wise and how you place wp wise on the leaderboard
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.30 22:01:00 - [13] - Quote BPO based on hours played or something. An event where total games won/kills/ISK efficiency can be rewarded. Skin weave vehicles/heavy weapons/augmentations maybe? Still militia or worse hp/pg/cpu. Maybe a supply of some officer stuff or something. The tournament worked really well to have people playing, so maybe a corp battles played/won weekender? Something where the average joe gets rewarded, not JUST the top end corps.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.11.30 22:02:00 - [14] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Or just wait until COD and Halo blow over. Pauses Borderlands 2. Looks over at Dead Island GOTY, Tales of Graces, Resident Evil 6, etc. still unopened. Goes back to playing Borderlands 2. Dead Island had a GOTY edition? How? There was, what, two bits of DLC?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.11.30 22:06:00 - [15] - Quote Beta testers are replaceable, just send new codes via a gaming news site. Player amount isn't really that important as long as we have enough to get into game. Player amount will only matter when the game is launched. Announcing (via email) and releasing the new build will definitely get people back; they will at least want to try.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.11.30 22:08:00 - [16] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Or just wait until COD and Halo blow over. Pauses Borderlands 2. Looks over at Dead Island GOTY, Tales of Graces, Resident Evil 6, etc. still unopened. Goes back to playing Borderlands 2. Dead Island had a GOTY edition? How? There was, what, two bits of DLC? Well yeah but ten bucks for a new and sealed game was a good deal. My wife, two kids and I are back from Black Friday shopping: Two Ps3 units199 ea, two laptops 187 ea, a 50 inch LED for 399, 40 inch LED 179 ea, two nexus 7 tablets 199 ea, Dead Island GOTY ten bucks, RE 6 25 bucks, Tales 25 bucks, Boderlands 2 25 bucks, etc. and other items we purchased. Plus other games that have yet to be opened equals maybe some Dust time this weekend or maybe not.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.11.30 22:14:00 - [17] - Quote Mates, we're here to test and report bugs, we're here to check the gameplay and offer criticisms.Right now we need more content to test and play with, it'll come in time. ________________________________________ This post is the opinion of Jason Pearson and does not represent Seraphim Initiative in any way whatsoever Should you feel offended, please speak with Jason Pearson directly so he can amend this issue We thank you for your cooperation.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.11.30 23:32:00 - [18] - Quote Fix the coms bug.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.12.01 00:35:00 - [19] - Quote we need patchnotes
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.01 00:59:00 - [20] - Quote When the size gets bigger than your average shooter, they'll come back.

TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.12.01 02:37:00 - [21] - Quote Ccp should not stop players from what they do best. Playing without punishments. No caps. Pay to win but not to the extreme. Sp booster that really boost without limitation. Etc etc etc. For any other reason, we need a new update. Cod bo 2 is out, so some players are playing that now. Me, playing Playstation All Stars Battle Royal.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.01 02:44:00 - [22] - Quote Honestly, I stopped playing because the gameplay made so many drastic changes that I couldn't (enjoyably) adjust. The game seems to go slower even though changes were made to make it faster. Gunplay was reduced in favor of team tactics, which wasn't really changed it was just supplemented by a horrible hit-scan replacement meaning that: More people = more guns = more rounds down range = more successful results. Hitscan works in games like Call of Duty where the maps are small and everything is close combat - but it isn't very practical for large scale games. This is why Battlefield 3 uses Ballistics. Sure, say that Ballistics impacts gameplay memory/performance and it isn't as effective (with lag) as Hitscan, but it impacts the game in a MAJOR way that reduces the effectiveness of player skill and impacts more on a level of understanding the game mechanics as a whole. Strafing became ineffective not because of reductions to it's base speed to certain dropsuits, but because it was placed in tandem with the Hitscan implementation. "Dodging bullets" isn't a real factor so much as predicting, and subsequently tricking your opponent to aim his weapon in a manner that correlates to your counter attack. These major gameplay changes impacted me in a very big way and I found the game to be bland, drab and very generic afterward. Ever since the start of this new build I've been focusing more on Eve Online than I have on Dust 514 - and will continue to do so until the game stops being my "job" and starts being my "hobby".
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. 133	Posted - 2012.12.01 04:01:00 - [23] - Quote Calgoth Reborn wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: With the skill caps in place and the ISK caps in place, it is basically a god to honest waste of time playing the game for more than a couple of days. Here is some ways CCP can bring back the player base;- 1. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours at least certain BPOS. These BPOS can be increased over time. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a free toxin gun. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a free tier 1 AR or Shotgun. 2. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours ISK/SP packets. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a 100K SP boost. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a 200K SP boost and 1 million isk 3. Have more double SP events 4. Fix the game mechanics Just my 0.02 AUR. Hmm what isk cap are you talking about i still make lot's of isk so proof or stop with the false statement's There a sp cap. You'll find out soon enough
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.12.01 05:20:00 - [24] - Quote Nstomper wrote: we need patchnotes No no no! We need patch'noes', they sound tasty, like some new recipe at taco bell...............................................mmmmmm taco bellllllllllllllllll. Im goin for a taco throws controller down
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.12.01 05:52:00 - [25] - Quote I stopped playing for awhile because I didnt like the idea of having my toon wiped every couple of months. After three or four times of that, I started getting sick of retraining skills. Not sure if there are any more wipes coming, but It has been long enough of a break for me to enjoy retraining skills again. I personally like the current sp/isk gains. Although my swarm has been gimped... I cant seem to dumb fire anymore. So suicidal tank runs are out.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.01 11:44:00 - [26] - Quote YourDeadAgain76 wrote: Calgoth Reborn wrote: Hmm what isk cap are you talking about i still make lot's of isk so proof or stop with the false statement's There a sp cap. You'll find out soon enough SP cap, yes. ISK cap, not at all. No diminishing returns on ISK. No cap on ISK. No restriction except that your earnings are scaled based on the gear used in battle.
Richard Sebire Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.12.01 13:19:00 - [27] - Quote To be honest, there is going to be another player reset before launch. It was denied then confirmed, so with the SP and ISK cap and then the wipe before release, whats the point in even playing for a few days a week anyway. You will lose it all again Super Swarm Saturday
JoeDUST Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.12.01 13:54:00 - [28] - Quote These things will not compete with Black Ops 2. In order to compete with them, you must first emulate and then improve what they have done. For example, they have a 10 point create a class system where weapon customization is key to survival. You guys only authorize certain weapon as per certain Mercs. This game need to be opened much wider to the player for control, autonomy and more importantly the ability to change there mind with there merc or classes without a negative reinforcement.
JoeDUST Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.12.01 14:01:00 - [29] - Quote To add to my above statement, I presently play COD. I have played all the others hardcore as well. So from a loyal gamer to a Franchise that, well, will be hard to compete with, you will need to implement some drastic changes. BF3 competes because it took what COD did and added some flash in the graphics, gameplay fluidity and still managed a custom weapon loadout regardless of team or affiliation with Clans(or as you guys refer to it-Corporations).
Django Quik R.I.f.t 219	Posted - 2012.12.01 14:28:00 - [30] - Quote Dust doesn't need to emulate CoD - it is it's own game and there is nothing out there similar. You will see this more than ever when the new build comes out (what is it? next week?). Dust will be an MMO FPS with RPG elements and cross-game cross-platform interactivity. At this point CCP will not be concerned with any drop in 'player-base' because they only need what they have at the moment to actually beta test. When it gets closer to release and open beta they will need a lot more to stress test the servers properly but for now stop thinking you and your CoD friends are so damn important because you are not.

Peksecutioner Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.12.01 18:14:00 - [31] - Quote I'd play the beta if they ever sent me a freakin beta key. I registered for beta access like 3 or 4 months ago.
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 145	Posted - 2012.12.01 18:54:00 - [32] - Quote YourDeadAgain76 wrote: Calgoth Reborn wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: With the skill caps in place and the ISK caps in place, it is basically a god to honest waste of time playing the game for more than a couple of days. Here is some ways CCP can bring back the player base;- 1. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours at least certain BPOS. These BPOS can be increased over time. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a free toxin gun. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a free tier 1 AR or Shotgun. 2. Offer the beta players who login regularly and play for a couple of hours ISK/SP packets. For example;- if a tester plays for one whole week and puts in atleast 2 hours a day give him a 100K SP boost. If the same player continues to log on for a month, give him a 200K SP boost and 1 million isk 3. Have more double SP events 4. Fix the game mechanics Just my 0.02 AUR. Hmm what isk cap are you talking about i still make lot's of isk so proof or stop with the false statement's There a sp cap. You'll find out soon enough I guess comprehension is not strong with this one I am well aware of the SP cap i have been playing for several month's nowhere in my post did i say there is no SP cap


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