DUST Search - Another we need more Beta testers post

Cyn Bruin wrote:

This game is a very unforgiving to new players. All they have to use at startup is militia gear and a prayer. When new players have to zone in and face players that have had months to get their SP/Gear up, it will drive them off.

I would guesstimate we have about 500 beta players that have been in and stayed with this game since Mordu's dropped. These 500 have alot of knowledge about how the game works, as opposed to the new players just coming in. I remember looking at the dropsuits when I first joined going How the F do I fit this thing. While not as big a learning cliff as EVE was, it is def. close when you are talking about the player base you are trying to attract (FPS players). Most games don't require you to "think" to much about how to do gear, this game is totally different.

We need a LARGE influx of new players so they can face each other (not veterans). If they have to go up against the veterans (even if we all wore militia gear) they will get discouraged and not want to play. We all want this game to succeed and for that to happen we need people to STAY with the game and not be driven off by everyday stomps or lack of knowledge. If new players ever have questions through mail I try to answer them, would encourage others to do the same. We need newer players to stick with the game and not leave with a bad taste.

Alot of these ideas came from a corpmate (Blondie) not my own. I am just putting into text what some of us have been thinking. Hopefully with this stress test, CCP will open the gates a little and let some players in for the rest of beta, not just the weekend.

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Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.11.30 14:23:00 - [1] - Quote This game is a very unforgiving to new players. All they have to use at startup is militia gear and a prayer. When new players have to zone in and face players that have had months to get their SP/Gear up, it will drive them off. I would guesstimate we have about 500 beta players that have been in and stayed with this game since Mordu's dropped. These 500 have alot of knowledge about how the game works, as opposed to the new players just coming in. I remember looking at the dropsuits when I first joined going How the F do I fit this thing. While not as big a learning cliff as EVE was, it is def. close when you are talking about the player base you are trying to attract (FPS players). Most games don't require you to "think" to much about how to do gear, this game is totally different. We need a LARGE influx of new players so they can face each other (not veterans). If they have to go up against the veterans (even if we all wore militia gear) they will get discouraged and not want to play. We all want this game to succeed and for that to happen we need people to STAY with the game and not be driven off by everyday stomps or lack of knowledge. If new players ever have questions through mail I try to answer them, would encourage others to do the same. We need newer players to stick with the game and not leave with a bad taste. Alot of these ideas came from a corpmate (Blondie) not my own. I am just putting into text what some of us have been thinking. Hopefully with this stress test, CCP will open the gates a little and let some players in for the rest of beta, not just the weekend.
Dissonant Zan 157	Posted - 2012.11.30 14:29:00 - [2] - Quote Saturday, hopefully it works out.
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI 402	Posted - 2012.11.30 15:07:00 - [3] - Quote New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people.
Vexen Krios Doomheim 95	Posted - 2012.11.30 15:13:00 - [4] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: This game is a very unforgiving to new players. All they have to use at startup is militia gear and a prayer. When new players have to zone in and face players that have had months to get their SP/Gear up, it will drive them off. I would guesstimate we have about 500 beta players that have been in and stayed with this game since Mordu's dropped. These 500 have alot of knowledge about how the game works, as opposed to the new players just coming in. I remember looking at the dropsuits when I first joined going How the F do I fit this thing. While not as big a learning cliff as EVE was, it is def. close when you are talking about the player base you are trying to attract (FPS players). Most games don't require you to "think" to much about how to do gear, this game is totally different. We need a LARGE influx of new players so they can face each other (not veterans). If they have to go up against the veterans (even if we all wore militia gear) they will get discouraged and not want to play. We all want this game to succeed and for that to happen we need people to STAY with the game and not be driven off by everyday stomps or lack of knowledge. If new players ever have questions through mail I try to answer them, would encourage others to do the same. We need newer players to stick with the game and not leave with a bad taste. Alot of these ideas came from a corpmate (Blondie) not my own. I am just putting into text what some of us have been thinking. Hopefully with this stress test, CCP will open the gates a little and let some players in for the rest of beta, not just the weekend. totally agree, and actually posted something similar awhile back, my brother in law, who still plays....was so frustrated when he first joined that he would not play unless i taught him how to fit his suits properly... Quote: New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people. You rag this game alot Regnum...yet you still play...one thing i never understood is why people who hate certain games...continue to play them...
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2012.11.30 15:23:00 - [5] - Quote Your logic reminds me of a scene i think from the Simpsons where homer gets stuck in the water slide and the reaction to it by the water park attendant is to just send in more kids resulting in more people stuck instead. MY fear for splitting players by level to such a degree will result in half as many games being able to start for higher levels. I think the beta fan base are being very optimistic when they think the player base will be as huge as COD. It will probable keep the amount of players as MAG did and sometimes we would wait 10 mins to 15 mins between games or more. The way around this would be to keep the player count low but then you run into FPS players comparing this game to COD and going there instead as well as making the problem worst for new players as MAG did with the death match mode made for new players. I think the problem is that Dust is to much designed off a RPG game and slowly every FPS player starts to reject it. Its not that there dumber , its just it doesn't feel right or natural.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.11.30 15:51:00 - [6] - Quote It'll be interesting to see how many people actually want in open beta. I'd like to know how many CCP thinks will play this game when it releases. Of course it won't do COD numbers, on PS3 BO2 there are 500-700k online at a time. Is CCP hoping for 100k, 50k?
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:10:00 - [7] - Quote ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people. COD, the old BF series and the Halos all have killing people as a general direction. Whats the difference.
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:11:00 - [8] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: It'll be interesting to see how many people actually want in open beta. I'd like to know how many CCP thinks will play this game when it releases. Of course it won't do COD numbers, on PS3 BO2 there are 500-700k online at a time. Is CCP hoping for 100k, 50k? At this point, I'd be happy with 2k.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:27:00 - [9] - Quote ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people. Its a beta! Fanbois FTW.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:29:00 - [10] - Quote ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: My friend Imaginary friends dont count ya know

Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:35:00 - [11] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: CCP will open the gates a little and let some players in for the rest of beta, not just the weekend. Unfortunately the core mechanics of this game hasnt been fixed yet. Promises were made and broken and this game is not even a shadow of what it can be. Without noob zones they will just get destroyed buy the pros. Just my 0.02 AUR Edit: Spellchecked
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:46:00 - [12] - Quote ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people. Did your friend contribute to Dust 514's development by submitting reports to CCP in the technical issues/bugs forums or post ideas or suggestions in the Feedback forums? If yes, good. At least he did something productive to help improve the game. If no, why bring him up in this conversation?
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI 402	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:48:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people. Did your friend contribute to Dust 514's development by submitting reports to CCP in the technical issues/bugs forums or post ideas or suggestions in the Feedback forums? If yes, good. At least he did something productive to help improve the game. If no, why bring him up in this conversation? He made a post and got banned for having ReGnUM in his name True Story TBH
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:50:00 - [14] - Quote ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people. Did your friend contribute to Dust 514's development by submitting reports to CCP in the technical issues/bugs forums or post ideas or suggestions in the Feedback forums? If yes, good. At least he did something productive to help improve the game. If no, why bring him up in this conversation? He made a post and got banned for having ReGnUM in his name True Story TBH Stealing your name?
ReGnUM bEiBer DEI 242	Posted - 2012.11.30 16:57:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people. Did your friend contribute to Dust 514's development by submitting reports to CCP in the technical issues/bugs forums or post ideas or suggestions in the Feedback forums? If yes, good. At least he did something productive to help improve the game. If no, why bring him up in this conversation? He made a post and got banned for having ReGnUM in his name True Story TBH Sounds like a fake story TBH
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.11.30 17:00:00 - [16] - Quote ReGnUM bEiBer DEI wrote: ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: New players do not want to play this game. My friend was a prime example last night. He said the game was stricken with Lag and bugs, and thought the overall concept of the skill system was broken. Furthermore, He thought the game was boring and that it had no general direction other then killing people. Did your friend contribute to Dust 514's development by submitting reports to CCP in the technical issues/bugs forums or post ideas or suggestions in the Feedback forums? If yes, good. At least he did something productive to help improve the game. If no, why bring him up in this conversation? He made a post and got banned for having ReGnUM in his name True Story TBH Sounds like a fake story TBH Either I'm seeing Regnum's alts in action or someone took his name. I smell an alt.
ReGnUM bEiBer DEI 242	Posted - 2012.11.30 17:03:00 - [17] - Quote YOU'LL NEVER KNOW!!
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.11.30 17:50:00 - [18] - Quote You rag this game alot Regnum...yet you still play...one thing i never understood is why people who hate certain games...continue to play them... ^LOL
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.11.30 18:00:00 - [19] - Quote We definitely need a lot more players to test things properly Things like Matchmaking need to be worked on and made sure that it actually works as intended. ________________________________________ This post is the opinion of Jason Pearson and does not represent Seraphim Initiative in any way whatsoever Should you feel offended, please speak with Jason Pearson directly so he can amend this issue We thank you for your cooperation.
Jaevla Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.12.01 00:17:00 - [20] - Quote i just got an email allowing me beta access(even though i bought the militia pack months ago)...maybe lots of other people received this as well and we will have more players soon....

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 229	Posted - 2012.12.01 01:46:00 - [21] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: ________________________________________ This post is the opinion of Jason Pearson and does not represent Seraphim Initiative in any way whatsoever Should you feel offended, please speak with Jason Pearson directly so he can amend this issue We thank you for your cooperation. lol at this ^
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.12.01 01:49:00 - [22] - Quote I actually sort of understood the game having basic knowledge from similar loadout style to Blacklight Retribution. Hell that games probably has a more complicated gun mechanic. But anyway being a veteran of tactical shooters (Commando or whatever it was called, Star Wars Battlefront, Battlefield 1942, BF3 etc.) I could understand the game very quickly.
Corvus Ravensong Skyel Industries Subspace Exploration Agency 179	Posted - 2012.12.01 02:12:00 - [23] - Quote The OP is right, we need more beta TESTERS. We need to get rid of everyone who is too lazy to file a bug report. We need to get rid of the dummies who make thread after thread of the same old complaints. We need to get rid of the players who throw hissy fits over every little change. We need to get rid of the people who just PLAY the game and then ** and moan because something's broken, or something glitched. We're supposed to be beta TESTERS, we're supposed to find glitched spots in the mesh in the moutains to fall through, we're supposed to find the weapons and modules imbalanced, we're supposed to find vehicle A overpowered, we're supposed to find the broken places on the maps where you can kill with complete immunity, we're supposed to TEST the game and every aspect of it. We're also supposed to be filing bug reports with as much detail as we can give every time an issue pops up so they can fix them BEFORE release. Beta testing is both a PRIVILEDGE, and also a RESPONSIBILITY. If the glitches, bugs, and imbalanced weapons make you mad enough to quit, you should - beta testing isn't for the impatient masses. Let's get more Beta TESTERS and get rid of the whining PLAYERS who would rather *** than do their job as a beta TESTER.
Dezus 1000 Reaper Galactic 13	Posted - 2012.12.01 02:28:00 - [24] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: This game is a very unforgiving to new players. All they have to use at startup is militia gear and a prayer. When new players have to zone in and face players that have had months to get their SP/Gear up, it will drive them off. I would guesstimate we have about 500 beta players that have been in and stayed with this game since Mordu's dropped. These 500 have alot of knowledge about how the game works, as opposed to the new players just coming in. I remember looking at the dropsuits when I first joined going How the F do I fit this thing. While not as big a learning cliff as EVE was, it is def. close when you are talking about the player base you are trying to attract (FPS players). Most games don't require you to "think" to much about how to do gear, this game is totally different. We need a LARGE influx of new players so they can face each other (not veterans). If they have to go up against the veterans (even if we all wore militia gear) they will get discouraged and not want to play. We all want this game to succeed and for that to happen we need people to STAY with the game and not be driven off by everyday stomps or lack of knowledge. If new players ever have questions through mail I try to answer them, would encourage others to do the same. We need newer players to stick with the game and not leave with a bad taste. Alot of these ideas came from a corpmate (Blondie) not my own. I am just putting into text what some of us have been thinking. Hopefully with this stress test, CCP will open the gates a little and let some players in for the rest of beta, not just the weekend. This is right on. I have been bringing new people into the corp and they (we) just get demolished. On top of that having to learn about all the skills and builds for the soldiers and vehicles is just too much. As hard as I try, they are not having fun and abandoning Dust for other games.
Big Popa Smurff Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 104	Posted - 2012.12.01 02:33:00 - [25] - Quote Too many high profile games are out now, like CoD, Halo 4, Planetside 2 and Battlefield's new DLC is where we've lost the bulk of our mercs to. You wont see alot of new players in dust anytime soon. Unless CCP adds some sort of new incentive to play, I think most would like new maps and gadgets to test. CCP could add some new ice world maps maybe, it being nearly christmass and all. Any new players in dust now are probably mostly coming over from Eve. Dust 514 could be an extra content for some other game, like how the Gears of War 3 beta was for Bulletstorm or Halo Reach beta with Halo ODST, try and pull new players from a wider audience.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.12.01 02:36:00 - [26] - Quote I wish some of these morons would stop referring to dust as a 'game'! It is not a 'game' until it is released, right now is is the 'closed beta" for the upcoming 'game' due out Q2/Q3 next year. Also, to those who are complaining 'no new players will want to play due to everyone else playing for longer and having better gear'........isn't that how ALL online games work? there's always people been playing longer (BF3, COD, BLOPS 1+2, UC3, MP3 etc etc etc), also on release everyone will have everything reset, so how the hell will people have a Head start on the noobs? besides experience in playing the game there will be nothing else. Get over it, there will always be people playing longer. People have been playing EVE since day one, yet there's always new players joining. Enjoy the BETA, test the BETA, contribute towards its development, and if you don't want to stick around and test........don't complain if there's something in the final release that you don't like, because if you had no PART in the testing and developing...........you have NO SAY!
Corvus Ravensong Skyel Industries Subspace Exploration Agency 179	Posted - 2012.12.01 02:37:00 - [27] - Quote Well if they want to PLAY they should wait for release to try the game. If you don't understand the difference between a PLAYER and a TESTER, or the difference between a BETA and a RELEASED game, you probably shouldn't be trying to sell the game to your friends, let them wait till release day.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.01 02:37:00 - [28] - Quote My only complaint is that the current beta testers are whiny, self-absorbed and immature. The fact that drastic changes have, and still are being made to this game based solely on the outcry of people complaining about game-play features which (ironically enough) were designed to kill them is just disgusting. Changes should NOT be made until -all- weapons, vehicles, features and elements are introduced.


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