DUST Search - Forge Gun Question

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

forestghost kinnan wrote:

First off i'm not here to start a fight. Second off, I know what happened to my tank. I don't appreciate being called a liar. I've been on Dust through enough builds to know what it's like to be shot. Esepically by a forge gun. I lost many tanks in battle, but this was the first one that I lost in one shot by a forge gun. So that's why I thought it was impossible to happen in the first place, that's why I was asking in forums, what the heck is going on. I don't need people telling me it can't happen., because it did happen...That's all. I'm not trying to start a fight. I don't post in forums to start fights. I post facts, not lies..Thank you, Have a great day! =)

People aren't calling you a liar, they're explaining possible ways for you to have seen what you saw.

It's also possible you'd parked on a couple of REs that got blown up at the same time.

There are plenty of options where you WOULDN'T have seen the other damage if it landed close enough to the same time as the Forge hit.

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forestghost kinnan Doomheim 15	Posted - 2012.11.18 04:54:00 - [1] - Quote Why is it that a person handling a forge gun can take out a 7000 HP tank with one shot, but when I go to look at the gun in the Marketplace, all it say it is like 500? It's like your forge guns are over clocked. Or it's a glitch, or some dust members have some kind of cheat codes...Just saying..
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.11.18 04:56:00 - [2] - Quote Ha!
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.11.18 04:57:00 - [3] - Quote Now look at AV nades, I'll give you some time to put the pieces together.
Tyrus 4 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 83	Posted - 2012.11.18 05:10:00 - [4] - Quote Sounds like you were being hit with multiple things and the Forge finished you.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.18 05:23:00 - [5] - Quote Tyrus 4 wrote: Sounds like you were being hit with multiple things and the Forge finished you. This, because there is not a single forge that deals 7k damage. If it did there would be nerf forge threads everywhere posted by tankers and alot less tanks being used.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.11.18 05:29:00 - [6] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Tyrus 4 wrote: Sounds like you were being hit with multiple things and the Forge finished you. This, because there is not a single forge that deals 7k damage. If it did there would be nerf forge threads everywhere posted by tankers and alot less tanks being used. Yeah there is, you've just never heard of it. It's, uh, foreign.
Lavirac JR DUST University Ivy League 129	Posted - 2012.11.18 05:31:00 - [7] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Tyrus 4 wrote: Sounds like you were being hit with multiple things and the Forge finished you. This, because there is not a single forge that deals 7k damage. If it did there would be nerf forge threads everywhere posted by tankers and alot less tanks being used. And I'd hunt down and murder in a cannibalistic fashion anyone who wanted this nerf...
Kaios Family SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 17	Posted - 2012.11.18 06:39:00 - [8] - Quote lol get your info right proto breach forge does 2520 damage now add in weaponry skill plus forge gun proficancy lol not 7 k but still get your info right or go home
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 08:15:00 - [9] - Quote Kaios Family wrote: lol get your info right proto breach forge does 2520 damage now add in weaponry skill plus forge gun proficancy lol not 7 k but still get your info right or go home Someone says "You can't get a 7k Forge." The reply is, "Yeah you can! ... well, not 7k, but, maybe 3k or so..." That's a solid argument right there. No, Forge Guns don't hit that hard in one shot. But if you got hit by 2 at once, with the right skills, or if you got hit by a Forge and an AV grenade or 2 at the same time.
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 349	Posted - 2012.11.18 09:44:00 - [10] - Quote Kaios Family wrote: lol get your info right proto breach forge does 2520 damage now add in weaponry skill plus forge gun proficancy lol not 7 k but still get your info right or go home this tbh. it starts off low (for a forge) but when you have the profficiency, complex mods etc it really adds up.

Wako 75 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 76	Posted - 2012.11.18 10:42:00 - [11] - Quote heavy complex damage mods and forgegun proficincy 5 proto breach and probably multiple things hit you
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.11.18 11:29:00 - [12] - Quote I hear there's currently a bug in the way mods function causing the stacking penalty to become a stacking bonus. Combine that with full skills, and the base value of the mods an' you can get up there pretty far. Also worth noting is that the best gear is salvage and thus not listed on the market. 0.02 ISK Cross
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 391	Posted - 2012.11.18 11:38:00 - [13] - Quote Best anti tank / dropship weapon on Dust. The leave game button.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 391	Posted - 2012.11.18 15:53:00 - [14] - Quote forestghost kinnan wrote: Why is it that a person handling a forge gun can take out a 7000 HP tank with one shot, but when I go to look at the gun in the Marketplace, all it say it is like 500? It's like your forge guns are over clocked. Or it's a glitch, or some dust members have some kind of cheat codes...Just saying.. it's best to hit a tank at the same time as other people. odds are it was a team hitting you with a couple av nades and a forge gun at the same time killing off the tank before they can turn on a hardener/ repper
Mischa Egan Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.11.18 16:05:00 - [15] - Quote I've taken hits from forges upwards of 5k damage, and yea, I know for sure it was only one guy, I watched him.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:37:00 - [16] - Quote Don't tanks have weak points? They probably aren't this bad, but it puts a little more behind what this thread is saying (probably also exaggeration) To kindof add to this- how are proxy mines underpowered when they took out a 175k ISK LAV I was driving (at full shields and armor) in under a second? And these were standard proxy mines.
forestghost kinnan Doomheim 15	Posted - 2012.11.18 21:18:00 - [17] - Quote First off i'm not here to start a fight. Second off, I know what happened to my tank. I don't appreciate being called a liar. I've been on Dust through enough builds to know what it's like to be shot. Esepically by a forge gun. I lost many tanks in battle, but this was the first one that I lost in one shot by a forge gun. So that's why I thought it was impossible to happen in the first place, that's why I was asking in forums, what the heck is going on. I don't need people telling me it can't happen., because it did happen...That's all. I'm not trying to start a fight. I don't post in forums to start fights. I post facts, not lies..Thank you, Have a great day! =)
Waruiko DUST G I A N T 90	Posted - 2012.11.18 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote well if it was a breach proto that deals like 2.5K right? So if it was 2 10% mods they would get 22% because stacking is broken right now. Weaponry 5 is another 10%. If proficiency was maxed as well thats another 15% I think... so 2500 * 1.22 * 1.10 * 1.15 = 3858.25 or if all damage against shields 5015.725 damage roughly. So yeah MATH says that your either wrong, misinformed or lying. EDIT not sure on week points effect but might factor into results.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2012.11.18 23:02:00 - [19] - Quote lol everyone is too lazy to do the math. Weaponry to 5 = 25% extra. Complex x 2 = 20% extra. High end breach FG 2500 base. Add those all together you get 3700 damage. Two shots should put you over 7k damage. Those who would say this is OP obviously have never gun with a breach FG against a tank.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2012.11.18 23:03:00 - [20] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: well if it was a breach proto that deals like 2.5K right? So if it was 2 10% mods they would get 22% because stacking is broken right now. Weaponry 5 is another 10%. If proficiency was maxed as well thats another 15% I think... so 2500 * 1.22 * 1.10 * 1.15 = 3858.25 or if all damage against shields 5015.725 damage roughly. So yeah MATH says that your either wrong, misinformed or lying. EDIT not sure on week points effect but might factor into results. Jinx!

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2012.11.18 23:06:00 - [21] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: well if it was a breach proto that deals like 2.5K right? So if it was 2 10% mods they would get 22% because stacking is broken right now. Weaponry 5 is another 10%. If proficiency was maxed as well thats another 15% I think... so 2500 * 1.22 * 1.10 * 1.15 = 3858.25 or if all damage against shields 5015.725 damage roughly. So yeah MATH says that your either wrong, misinformed or lying. EDIT not sure on week points effect but might factor into results. As far as I have seen with other things in Dust. Percetages dont compound but add up. So two complex modules with 10% boost would be like this: base +10% +10% instead of: base + 10% + 10%*10% So currently you get less bonus in Dust than in EVE even thought descriptions for different skills look similar.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2012.11.19 12:11:00 - [22] - Quote Weaponry 5 only get's you 10%. FG Proficiency 5 gives you 15%. So max skilled gives you 25% before damage amplifiers. 2x Complex Heavy Damage Modifiers (Currently no stacking penalty) gives another 20%. If you're using the top HVY Dropsuit you get 3 high slots and, if you fit CHDMs in all then it's 30%. Total 45% (55%) Wiyrkomi Breach FG does 2520/252 damage. So maxed out one would get 3654/365.4 (3906/390.6). I've heard the rumors of "Stacking Bonus" but my experiences getting shot up haven't shown me the numbers that were speculated in that particular post.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2012.11.19 12:13:00 - [23] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Waruiko DUST wrote: well if it was a breach proto that deals like 2.5K right? So if it was 2 10% mods they would get 22% because stacking is broken right now. Weaponry 5 is another 10%. If proficiency was maxed as well thats another 15% I think... so 2500 * 1.22 * 1.10 * 1.15 = 3858.25 or if all damage against shields 5015.725 damage roughly. So yeah MATH says that your either wrong, misinformed or lying. EDIT not sure on week points effect but might factor into results. As far as I have seen with other things in Dust. Percetages dont compound but add up. So two complex modules with 10% boost would be like this: base +10% +10% instead of: base + 10% + 10%*10% So currently you get less bonus in Dust than in EVE even thought descriptions for different skills look similar. Eve has a 20% stacking penalty. If that was working here, two Complex Damage Mods would be 10% + 8%.
Herpn Derpidus Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.11.19 14:29:00 - [24] - Quote why does it seem like no ones taking to effect the fact that forge guns deal more damage to different types of defenses... atleast im pretty sure thats how it works
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.19 15:35:00 - [25] - Quote forestghost kinnan wrote: First off i'm not here to start a fight. Second off, I know what happened to my tank. I don't appreciate being called a liar. I've been on Dust through enough builds to know what it's like to be shot. Esepically by a forge gun. I lost many tanks in battle, but this was the first one that I lost in one shot by a forge gun. So that's why I thought it was impossible to happen in the first place, that's why I was asking in forums, what the heck is going on. I don't need people telling me it can't happen., because it did happen...That's all. I'm not trying to start a fight. I don't post in forums to start fights. I post facts, not lies..Thank you, Have a great day! =) People aren't calling you a liar, they're explaining possible ways for you to have seen what you saw. It's also possible you'd parked on a couple of REs that got blown up at the same time. There are plenty of options where you WOULDN'T have seen the other damage if it landed close enough to the same time as the Forge hit.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2012.11.19 21:57:00 - [26] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: forestghost kinnan wrote: First off i'm not here to start a fight. Second off, I know what happened to my tank. I don't appreciate being called a liar. I've been on Dust through enough builds to know what it's like to be shot. Esepically by a forge gun. I lost many tanks in battle, but this was the first one that I lost in one shot by a forge gun. So that's why I thought it was impossible to happen in the first place, that's why I was asking in forums, what the heck is going on. I don't need people telling me it can't happen., because it did happen...That's all. I'm not trying to start a fight. I don't post in forums to start fights. I post facts, not lies..Thank you, Have a great day! =) People aren't calling you a liar, they're explaining possible ways for you to have seen what you saw. It's also possible you'd parked on a couple of REs that got blown up at the same time. There are plenty of options where you WOULDN'T have seen the other damage if it landed close enough to the same time as the Forge hit. That, and FGs get a bonus against armor, not shields. Not sure what the numbers are, but it'd be easy enough to figure out given accurate info. I don't know anything about vehicle weak points.
Waruiko DUST G I A N T 90	Posted - 2012.11.21 15:03:00 - [27] - Quote I assure you FG get 130% against shields, and in my armor tanks I can all but ignore one FG unless its a high end one because it only deals 70% against armor. Also I'm going with a x%*y% rather then the x+y% because of how the numbers show in game. IE They use to show marauders as having 1.5 base damage and adding in a 10% mod made it 1.65 rather then 1.6. Current damage mods for the same type show the same style off adjustment in dropsuit fittings.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.21 15:09:00 - [28] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: I assure you FG get 130% against shields, and in my armor tanks I can all but ignore one FG unless its a high end one because it only deals 70% against armor. Also I'm going with a x%*y% rather then the x+y% because of how the numbers show in game. IE They use to show marauders as having 1.5 base damage and adding in a 10% mod made it 1.65 rather then 1.6. Current damage mods for the same type show the same style off adjustment in dropsuit fittings. I thought it was only a 10% bonus for shield with a 15% penalty on armor
DJINN Riot 63	Posted - 2012.11.21 21:10:00 - [29] - Quote forestghost kinnan wrote: Why is it that a person handling a forge gun can take out a 7000 HP tank with one shot, but when I go to look at the gun in the Marketplace, all it say it is like 500? It's like your forge guns are over clocked. Or it's a glitch, or some dust members have some kind of cheat codes...Just saying.. Forge gun Proficiency, and Dmg mods.


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