The solution is to substantially decrease the HP of tanks (and maybe tanking modules)

This probably won't be very popular opinion, but I think I should at least say it.

From what I heard and read from various interviews, despite its depth and hardcore nature, Dust 514 is also supposed to be something you can just jump in and play for some quick fun. Something poses a great threat to that kind of experience; the HAVs (tanks). HAVs are designed to take multiple anti-vehicle (AV) players to take down; so even if someone is playing as a heavy with a forge gun, its virtually impossible for that person to destroy the tank. Taking down a tank requires a level of teamwork that's almost exclusively seen in organized corps, while a tank can turn a battle into a one-sided victory without needing any teamwork from the rest of its team.

The solution is to substantially decrease the HP of tanks (and maybe tanking modules) so that its possible for a standard forge gun user to take down a standard tank on their own.
Tanks (and tanking modules) are expensive though, so one could say that in a way they are balanced because the high price justifies the total domination, and that nerfing the tanks (and maybe tanking modules) would make them unused because they would no longer be worth their price. Nerfed tanks (and maybe tanking modules) with the current price would be a problem, so there should be a massive price cut would have to be included as well.

This could actually be a good thing for both infantry and pilots. Infantry wouldn't have to worry about tanks completely dominating and deciding the battle. Vehicles getting a massive price reduction would make them much more accessible to new pilots, and make them much more affordable. Cheaper but weaker tanks are more healthy for the game then expensive automatic victory tickets; games are about fun, and there is nothing fun about jumping into a game for a quick battle only to be owned by a mobile oppression palace. Tanks would still remain formidable, especially with some infantry support.

Ha nope if anything HAV (tanks HP should be increased) tanks are mobile called HEAVY assault vehicle for a reason they should not be as easy to take down, even for a level one because of the 900k the SKILL COSTS >:U

Tanks should be worth what you pay for them, they should be over priced and dominate the battle field, taking SERIOUS teamwork to kill. That being said if you dont like it, adapt or die.

On another note, with the increase in shields and power. they should also require a four man crew to operate.


Driver

Turret Gunner

and the two small turret operators.


THERE solution solved. at this current time and moment tanks are nothing but wastes of money... unless you spend some serious high level cash paying into one, even then there not worth it.

I remember a while back when tanks dominate the battlefield..

But people kitten b&m because they cant kitten pick up a kitten controller and stop their kitten whining and going OH ITS NOT FAIR ITS TOO POWERFUL I SPECED INTO SNIPING WHAAAAA and actually learn how to play.

I CANT KILL TANK WITH STANDURD SWARM LAUNDURR

You get killed by a tank, too bad its a TANK, in BF3 do you charge a tank HEAD ON?! NO YOU DONT, YOU EITHER USE

STEALTH TACTICS, C4, TEAM WORK OR AIR SUPPORT, there SHOULD BE NO ONE MAN, team taking down a tank. there should be NO ONE GUN that can take down all tanks, people should be FORCED into team work and working together instead of being able to buy AUR proto weapons and JUNK to take down a tank single handly.

=.=

Am I an angry tanker, no? Do I think tanks should be a bit more powerful yes

Its a beta. shut up already please.

Dark.

Ha nope if anything HAV (tanks HP should be increased) tanks are mobile called HEAVY assault vehicle for a reason they should not be as easy to take down, even for a level one because of the 900k the SKILL COSTS >:U

Tanks should be worth what you pay for them, they should be over priced and dominate the battle field, taking SERIOUS teamwork to kill. That being said if you dont like it, adapt or die.

On another note, with the increase in shields and power. they should also require a four man crew to operate.


Driver

Turret Gunner

and the two small turret operators.


THERE solution solved. at this current time and moment tanks are nothing but wastes of money... unless you spend some serious high level cash paying into one, even then there not worth it.

I remember a while back when tanks dominate the battlefield..

But people kitten b&m because they cant kitten pick up a kitten controller and stop their kitten whining and going OH ITS NOT FAIR ITS TOO POWERFUL I SPECED INTO SNIPING WHAAAAA and actually learn how to play.

I CANT KILL TANK WITH STANDURD SWARM LAUNDURR

You get killed by a tank, too bad its a TANK, in BF3 do you charge a tank HEAD ON?! NO YOU DONT, YOU EITHER USE

STEALTH TACTICS, C4, TEAM WORK OR AIR SUPPORT, there SHOULD BE NO ONE MAN, team taking down a tank. there should be NO ONE GUN that can take down all tanks, people should be FORCED into team work and working together instead of being able to buy AUR proto weapons and JUNK to take down a tank single handly.

=.=

Am I an angry tanker, no? Do I think tanks should be a bit more powerful yes

Its a beta. shut up already please.

Dark.

Fix the maps. They are wide open kill boxes. Where is the cover and structure you'd expect of a facility?

I think people are missing the point that once the game goes live, it will be nothing like we see now.

If people want to drop in and play a casual game, then it'll probably involve some sort of match-making and throwing you into say Deathmatch,Skirmish, Ambush and so on. People will be able to choose other option than what we see now. I for one won't be touching any of that, because then it's just the same as playing any other FPS.

The things I'll be doing is the "Conquest" mode that actually has consequences in New Eden. In those matches there'll probably be no rules, full friendly fire and such. For the other modes I suspect you'll be able to search for vehicle or no vehicle maps alike.

As it stands now we're just testing the shooter part and a bunch of broken items, vehicles and maps.

To answer your suggestion for lowering the HP however, I think it's not the answer at all. I'd much prefer a damage output reduction and tonnes more HP. As it stands now high level tank battles just involve who sees who first and then one shots the other guy. There's no fun in that at all tbh, I'd much prefer a bit of a scrap.

once a reload function is added there will be a delay between shots

Honestly, a well-fitted HAV is SUPPOSED to be a force to be reckoned with on the battlefield. Even in public matches. In most HighSec matches, which is where matchmaking happens, that well-fitted tank will be worth more than the combined total your team earns. If it dies, you just cost yourself MORE than the value of your contract. Even Militia HAVs are expensive to buy and fit. People might do it, but when there are a few AV guys on the field, they WILL lose tanks, and they WILL spend more than their last 5 contracts replacing that loss.

If you're infantry, and can't handle a tank, you can usually AVOID it. Try that. I've been in a game where the other team had 2 high-tier tanks - a well-fitted Gunnlogi and a REALLY nasty Sagaris - and a Dropship, and my team gave up on vehicles after the second RDV got shot down. I was the only one running AV, and only had a Swarm Launcher. Basically, all I achieved was forcing the Dropship to race around the map instead of giving its gunners a good chance to shoot. While doing that, I helped out in small ways with handling the limited numbers of enemy infantry, we kept control of the objectives (remember those?) and we WON.

The top half of the enemy team's side of the scoreboard was 7-0 or better on their K/D, and the best K/D on our team was 10-6, but we won, and the top 3 players on our team had more WP individually than any 2 players on the opposing team. Vehicles DON'T control the map alone. They need infantry support, or they can be worked AROUND by the enemy infantry.

Also, I've seen a Sagaris forced into a retreat by a lone Forge Gunner who was REALLY good at not being where they last saw him. He got a quick shot off, then moved on, and showed up somewhere else before the enemy knew he'd moved. They bombed the logical area for him to show up, then got flanked and hit hard. Turn, and there's nothing there any more. He didn't KILL the thing, but he kept it on the run for most of the match. I've also seen, in pub matches, a single Forge Gunner and a single Swarm Launcher guy, without voice comms between the two, and without knowing each other prior to the match, take down a Gunnlogi, a couple of well-fitted Sicas, and a Dropship. I've also seen more than one cheap HAV fit go down to a couple of guys with Laser Rifles and AV Grenades.

The problem with tanks is definitely NOT how much damage they can handle. It's the range and power of their turrets - particularly missile turrets, which a large portion of the playerbase agrees to needing a (minor) nerf. Scale back the splash damage and/or radius on missile turrets, and give them a range that fits within the boundaries of our current map size. Buff (slightly) the other weapons to be in line with the moderate nerf to missiles, and tanks will be what they're SuPPOSED to be.

Cutting vehicle HP with how things are currently would be a HORRIBLE idea.

P.S. I don't drive HAVs. I bring Swarms. I can barely scratch a good Shield Tank alone, but if I work with a Forge Gunner or a couple of guys with Laser Rifles... those tanks will be hurting. And I usually do that in pub matches with blueberries, not with "real" teammates.