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dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.14 08:28:00 -
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Like most people, I am frustrated with how the Tanks in this game seem to totally dominate.
Now...Before anyone starts, I'm not complaining - My view is that anyone who spends a million ISK on a tank, deserves for it to be a formidable fighting machine.
However, I still get frustrated when a tank is whooping mine and everyone elses asses.
My frustrations get the better of me, I pull out my swarm launcher and proceed to lose about 10 clones in the vain attempt at blowing it up. I've yet to manage it! What I would like to know, is how many points do I get for a tank kill? Is it worth my perserverence in trying to kill a tank?
And if you only get 40 WP (like a LAV)......I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry!! |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
242
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Posted - 2012.11.14 08:39:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:Like most people, I am frustrated with how the Tanks in this game seem to totally dominate.
Now...Before anyone starts, I'm not complaining - My view is that anyone who spends a million ISK on a tank, deserves for it to be a formidable fighting machine.
However, I still get frustrated when a tank is whooping mine and everyone elses asses.
My frustrations get the better of me, I pull out my swarm launcher and proceed to lose about 10 clones in the vain attempt at blowing it up. I've yet to manage it! What I would like to know, is how many points do I get for a tank kill? Is it worth my perserverence in trying to kill a tank?
And if you only get 40 WP (like a LAV)......I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry!!
Think it was a 100 last build. Not trained av this build though so I'm not 100% |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
242
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Posted - 2012.11.14 08:40:00 -
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Remember though as well, lavs sometimes you get 2 kills, very occasionally 3. Tanks it's 3 almost all the time |
Big Popa Smurff
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
104
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Posted - 2012.11.14 09:38:00 -
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Im pretty sure its 75 pionts for destruction of the tank plus 50 pionts for each passenger killed. |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
217
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Posted - 2012.11.14 10:00:00 -
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I got 150 WP for blowing up a Sagaris two or three days ago. |
Mischa Egan
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.11.14 10:50:00 -
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I usually see 150+50 for everyone caught inside |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
192
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Posted - 2012.11.14 11:08:00 -
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Am I right in thinking it's 75 for a gunnlogi and 150 for a sagaris?, then 50 per passenger.
I'll be honest in saying I'm usually the one sat in them, but I think that's what I see when I kill them.
On a side note, it's definately 150 for an RDV :D |
Qn1f3
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
18
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Posted - 2012.11.14 12:15:00 -
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I got 150 + 50 per passenger just recently, I think it was a Sargaris. I don't know what differs between them, however it was big had a large railgun, 1 pilot and 2 gunners. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
208
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Posted - 2012.11.14 12:37:00 -
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Do we still get damage points for hitting them ? I know we used to, but I don't see the indicators pop up anymore.
I do pretty well when there's a good fit Sagaris on the field, even if it evades destruction and I get few kills due to HAV hunting, I generally get good points, so I'm guessing the 10 point damages are still racking up just not displaying. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.11.14 12:56:00 -
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Who cares about the war poimts . Show me the money! At this point there is no huge payoff for killing a tank, perceived or not ccp.
Ccp has made the comment that if you join late in a match you only get partial points, which means if you soloed a tank and a drop ship and a few lavs in a few minutes at the end of a match you only get 68,,000 isk for your efforts true story.
Not sure how my perception of low isk payout works? |
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4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.11.14 13:01:00 -
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It hasn't been fix yet but i think when it is, It's 300/400 WP. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.14 13:25:00 -
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Pretty sure Starter Fit LAVs are 40 points. Don't remember checking the value the few times I've killed a well-built LAV.
I got 50 for a Soma, 75 for a Gunnlogi, and 75 for destruction assist on a Sagaris, so I'd expect 150 to be the right number on a Marauder - the one time I actually landed the killing blow on a Sagaris I was so surprised I forgot to pay attention.
Couldn't tell you values on Dropships. Killing them with Swarms is more rare than killing a Sagaris. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.11.14 13:38:00 -
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Mischa Egan wrote:I usually see 150+50 for everyone caught inside
This. You get 75 for a kill assist on a tank. |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
134
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Posted - 2012.11.14 13:49:00 -
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Basic LAV +40 Advanced LAV +50 (I think) Prototype LAV +60 (I think)
Basic DS Advanced DS Proto DS I only seem to get +75 no matter if i am the only shooting it and it doesn't explode it just falls gently from the sky on fire, allowing the passengers to eject.
Basic Tank +50 Advanced Tank +100 Proto Tank +150
I think I have noticed that you only get additional +50's for the kill shot on the vehicles extra passengers... meaning someone helping you does not get +25 for the assist on the tanks passengers. Much like Hacking something, it can only really be done by 3 players, anymore than that and you don't get the points. Player 1 gets 100%, Player 2 gets 50%, and Player 3 gets 25%
Letter (or Null cannon) +100 , +50 for the next guy to help, +25 for the third ...the 4th gets nothing usually Resupply point +50 , +25, +12 This same process is repeated for the AV.
Example: You are in a squad of 4, Say everyone has AV, 1. the forge gunner shots the stuffing out of the tank, 2. A swarm launcher user shoots off a round and magically gets them all to hit, 3 & 4. at this point the 2 guys in either scout or assault suits run down the tank as it runs to hide and repair, but is caught up by the last 2 players in the squad and their prototype AV grenades and blown up in a few grenades. RESULT : The Forge Gunner that started it all gets no points for the destruction. Now add in players from other squads and taking on a vehicle becomes less points worthy.
You DO NOT get WP anymore for doing damage to it, part of the CCP attempt to stop boosters and reduce the frequency of Precision Strikes.
However, CCP didn't think it all the way thru because Infantry on the ground -Unlike riding in a vehicle which allows everyone to get WP, so if you have 6 people in a dropship (pilot and 5 passengers) for each kill getting WP that they did nothing for but ride around in a dropship, boosting is still very much alive, everyone receives +35 in the vehicle.
Now, you can increase that to +250 if you have a Squad Leader set an ATTACK order on it, much like how the enemy team can also boost their points by setting the order to the vehicle. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.11.14 14:00:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote:Basic LAV +40 Advanced LAV +50 (I think) Prototype LAV +60 (I think)
Basic DS Advanced DS Proto DS I only seem to get +75 no matter if i am the only shooting it and it doesn't explode it just falls gently from the sky on fire, allowing the passengers to eject.
Basic Tank +50 Advanced Tank +100 Proto Tank +150
I think I have noticed that you only get additional +50's for the kill shot on the vehicles extra passengers... meaning someone helping you does not get +25 for the assist on the tanks passengers. Much like Hacking something, it can only really be done by 3 players, anymore than that and you don't get the points. Player 1 gets 100%, Player 2 gets 50%, and Player 3 gets 25%
Letter (or Null cannon) +100 , +50 for the next guy to help, +25 for the third ...the 4th gets nothing usually Resupply point +50 , +25, +12 This same process is repeated for the AV.
Example: You are in a squad of 4, Say everyone has AV, 1. the forge gunner shots the stuffing out of the tank, 2. A swarm launcher user shoots off a round and magically gets them all to hit, 3 & 4. at this point the 2 guys in either scout or assault suits run down the tank as it runs to hide and repair, but is caught up by the last 2 players in the squad and their prototype AV grenades and blown up in a few grenades. RESULT : The Forge Gunner that started it all gets no points for the destruction. Now add in players from other squads and taking on a vehicle becomes less points worthy.
You DO NOT get WP anymore for doing damage to it, part of the CCP attempt to stop boosters and reduce the frequency of Precision Strikes.
However, CCP didn't think it all the way thru because Infantry on the ground -Unlike riding in a vehicle which allows everyone to get WP, so if you have 6 people in a dropship (pilot and 5 passengers) for each kill getting WP that they did nothing for but ride around in a dropship, boosting is still very much alive, everyone receives +35 in the vehicle.
Now, you can increase that to +250 if you have a Squad Leader set an ATTACK order on it, much like how the enemy team can also boost their points by setting the order to the vehicle.
Again, great post. Thanks Wakko. |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
134
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Posted - 2012.11.14 14:03:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Who cares about the war poimts . Show me the money! At this point there is no huge payoff for killing a tank, perceived or not ccp. Ccp has made the comment that if you join late in a match you only get partial points, which means if you soloed a tank and a drop ship and a few lavs in a few minutes at the end of a match you only get 68,,000 isk for your efforts true story. Not sure how my perception of low isk payout works?
IF I might add to this.... in a recent thread someone brought it to my attention, the above... plus this little gem. The contract you are playing for payment is already decided. Meaning that you can't turn to the corporation that hired you and pull the Construction Contractors bread and butter......There were some problems, we are going to have to charge you more MONEY.
Killing enemy soldiers nets you more money as most games are based on the fact that if you deplete the other sides clones, however that does not apply to vehicles..... I wish CCP would clarify some points. I believe the way CCP explained in the thread I have no idea how to find, that the vehicles only cost the player money.... destroying 1 does not immediately transfer the cost of the vehicle over to the destroyer.... it is written off as a loss, while the vehicle if effective can make the player money that uses it. |
Waruiko DUST
G I A N T
90
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:00:00 -
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Wakko's payouts are off by a fair amount in some areas. The mechanics of the assists might be fine but I've not tested in that yet.
All LAVs give 40WP +50 per kill
All tanks give 150WP +50 per kill
All Dropships give the same (likely 75) +50 per kill IF you hit it hard enough to bring it into the negatives and it hits something to trigger explosion fast enough. If not it takes burn damage or crash damage as its 'last' aggressor and you get the reduced assist WP instead. |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
134
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:38:00 -
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Agreed, that I got the WP totals wrong for the vehicles, I didn't proof read the top, for that I stand corrected. Can I blame the draft situation, I thought I wrote something else, but it seems to have merged my 2 seperate drafts about the topic into 1.
The rest of the info seems correct to me though. |
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