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Naturi Riclenore
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:38:00 -
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So I just saw something on the forums today that bothered me. Wang said it:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=397455#post397455
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[BUG] Killing vehicles not giving proper payout
Status: You do get rewards for killing vehicles.The perceived low payout could be due to another feature introduced earlier that reduced the total reward payout if you did not complete a full match i.e. joining a match that is already in progress
Here is the problem... A solo person will almost always be put into a match that is already in progress; whereas a squad has a higher chance of getting into a new match. So the solo person is almost always being penalized. it's why you can come in mid match, go 15/2, be #1 on list, and get a crappy payout... cause you're not getting full payouts.
If 8 people were in the match for 15 minutes and I was in the match only 5 minutes, and I out-performed them all, I deserve to get full pay. If I come into a match, with 2 minutes left, and I manage to rank #4, I deserve full pay (yes this has happened.. I was ashamed for my team).
If a match is 13 vs 14, guess who gets put into that match... yep the solo guy / gal. And honestly, with them dropping us in matches that are about to end, I don't think the penalty should be there. And if they are joining us to matches already in progress as it is, why penalize when you put us there to start with.
On top of that, matches are starting with 1v1 and 1v0, so 1 person will get full payout, anyone else that joins, penalized. |
Virex Staz
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:41:00 -
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Naturi Riclenore wrote:
solo person will almost always be put into a match that is already in progress; whereas a squad has a higher chance of getting into a new match.
Quote:On top of that, matches are starting with 1v1 and 1v0, so 1 person will get full payout, anyone else that joins, penalized.
aren't those two statements contradictory?
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Bendtner92
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:44:00 -
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Yes, not getting full ISK payout is stupid.
Killing someone or taking out a tank should give the same ISK no matter if you were there from the start or latejoined. Period.
Regarding ISK from just being in the match or winbonus (if there is one) could just be made, so that people with 0 WP won't get it. They will get ZERO ISK. A guy that joined towards the end, but still managed to get 1 kill, 1 assist or even just 1 resupply should get FULL ISK from winbonus or whatever. |
Naturi Riclenore
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:52:00 -
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Virex Staz wrote:Naturi Riclenore wrote:
solo person will almost always be put into a match that is already in progress; whereas a squad has a higher chance of getting into a new match.
Quote:On top of that, matches are starting with 1v1 and 1v0, so 1 person will get full payout, anyone else that joins, penalized. aren't those two statements contradictory?
Not quite... A solo person has a higher chance of getting into an already ongoing match, than if they were in a squad. Also a squad of 2 cannot join a squad of 1 (cause you can't have 2 SL), but a solo can join a squad of 2.
The second statement was showing that matches are starting with 1 vs 1 and 1 vs 0 .. which then penalizes anyone else who joins (due to no fault of their own). I have been in several 1 vs 0 matches for literally 5 minutes before a single person showed up. I had taken ALL the objectives, every turret, every installation, every deopt, etc.. while I would get full payout, anyone who joined late, would be penalized, even if they managed to outscore me. |
Cyn Bruin
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:59:00 -
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Agree wholeheartedly with this. Have come into a game with 5mins left and leave as either the top player or close to it and I wasn't in as long as most of the players (not epeening, just following along Naturi's thinking) but yet I don't get rewarded as much as the guy that spent the whole time limit going 3/7?
In a Mercenary Mindset... this makes no sense...
And idea might be have isk rewards for top players + time spent in match + vehicles destroyed etc. Warpoints is how it is currently structured which isnt bad unless you're subtracting for time spent in match.
But if you're telling me that I earn more warpoints than everyone in match and I did it in less time... so I get less pay?
Uhm, not a good game dynamic from a hired killers viewpoint.
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Kain Spero
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:22:00 -
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I agree with the OP. You really don't control when you join a match. I think the solution is fairly straight forward: if someone joins a match and finishes the match do not give them a penalty. The only people that should be penalized are those that leave early. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:27:00 -
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In that case, [BUG] improper payouts: I spent less time in a match than it took to spawn, and I got paid 50,000 ISK.
I literally didn't have time to spawn before the match ended by time limit.
EDIT: And my team lost. It wasn't even including any form of bonus for winning. |
Naturi Riclenore
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:53:00 -
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The low ISK rewards are why people refuse to bring out better equipment. Why bring out a 80-100K fit, only to get 50k at the end of the match. Even without the penalty, ISK rewards are just low overall.
And Cyn has a point, as a mercenary, the logic is flawed with this ISK penalty. It's like a kick to the face while you're down. I think I understand CCP's logic behind the penalty, but with them putting us in matches that are already on-going, it's a double-slap. You are penalized in ISK becasue they put you in an on-going match. Just give the full ISK reward.
Low ISK rewards + ISK Penalty + High Cost of equipment = never use the good stuff. The only time you would use the better gear is in a Corp match, of which you get 0 ISK (ironic huh) as it goes directly to the Corp.
I say remove it. It's counter-productive :( |
HowDidThatTaste
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:04:00 -
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This has been a huge concern for awhile taking out vehicles is nit giving the Keller payouts. And now we will have 3 time s nothing for our efforts in the big tank hunts. |
I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2012.11.20 06:28:00 -
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Naturi Riclenore wrote:The low ISK rewards are why people refuse to bring out better equipment. Why bring out a 80-100K fit, only to get 50k at the end of the match. :(
You only lose that suit if you die, which means that you just gained 50k
If you pull out a 15 or 20k suit and die once because it is underpowered, then you only gained 30k that match, whereas a 100k fit might actually keep you alive.
Also, I find that I get more rewards when I use more expensive fits. For instance, going 12/3 in a 40k fit means that I lost 120k, but I get rewarded 200k for a gain of 80k. If I used 20k fits and luckily got 12/6, I still spent 120k on fittings, but I would only receive around 120k, for no gain whatsoever. |
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