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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:16:00 -
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When will this become a teamwork-based game? Currently, at the end of every battle, you're rewarded completely on how you as an individual performed, not how your team did as a whole.
Right now, a team that does nothing but farm kills gets a ton of SP and ISK because they got a ton of WP; meanwhile a team that works together to take EVERY SINGLE NULL CANNON and win (not to mention the person who was distracting the other team, or the merc who fitted their vehicle with a mobile CRU to keep everyone spawning where they need to, without getting many, if any, WP for it) didn't get near the amount of SP and ISK EVEN THOUGH THEY WON.
People should get a significantly higher base reward for winning, which is improved by their individual performance; right now, everything is in WP. |
JACK THE R1PPER
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:28:00 -
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why say it then ?. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:30:00 -
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JACK THE R1PPER wrote:why say it then ?.
To show we need a better reward system |
Lavirac JR
DUST University
Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:32:00 -
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Losers should get half SP/Isk and Winners should get double SP/Isk. There, solved.
Next I will fix the Eurozone economy. |
Ima Leet
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:42:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JACK THE R1PPER wrote:why say it then ?. To show we need a better reward system
if you squad up you'll be at the top. set defend orders on people in your squad. having a good squad leader is important
usually i see a squad at the top of battles, not individuals, unless they're really good. and then it was probably that person doing most of the work... reward system is fine, they just need to get the repair points back in that doesn't allow farming
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.03 21:37:00 -
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Ima Leet wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JACK THE R1PPER wrote:why say it then ?. To show we need a better reward system if you squad up you'll be at the top. set defend orders on people in your squad. having a good squad leader is important usually i see a squad at the top of battles, not individuals, unless they're really good. and then it was probably that person doing most of the work... reward system is fine, they just need to get the repair points back in that doesn't allow farming
but that's still just gaining more rewards from having higher WP |
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous
SyNergy Gaming
242
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Posted - 2012.11.03 21:38:00 -
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Join a corp? Any half decent corp has strategies and roles for players in clan matches |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.03 21:47:00 -
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Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous wrote:Join a corp? Any half decent corp has strategies and roles for players in clan matches
Read the thread?
I totally get what you mean, but have you got any suggestions? Lower end players will prefer a system where everyone on the winning team is rewarded well, if they're on it but if a Top player sees he's getting the same reward for doing badly and doing well, he might get raged out. I know many of these players will. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
334
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Posted - 2012.11.03 21:56:00 -
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Heres the short and skinny.
It's a first person shooter at heart. The goal being to be the team that shoots better, kills more, etc. shooting/killing/helping to acchieve that goal (by being a logi/medic/etc) should stay the main focus of the game. I would like to see CCP reward people a little more for winning, and I really want to see a return of WP for repairing (but obviously with some kind of measures in place to prevent boosting, probably negating earning WP for damage from falling/crashing or friendly fire. |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
242
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Posted - 2012.11.03 22:42:00 -
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If you really want to make people work together as a team, a good place to start is to remove all rewards for the loosing team. Then if you loose, you just wasted your time and your isk. So you won't want to loose, so you might occasionally take your dropships to a null cannon to let some people spawn and jump out rather than raining down missiles at the people jumping out of the mcc |
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ugg reset
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2012.11.03 22:49:00 -
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squads that stay together, slay together. |
Zenjin Shoten
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 01:51:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:squads that stay together, slay together.
Well said, yet I have seen many games the last few days were nobody works together. Most dont even talk or use voice chat! Its bothersome!
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GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
60
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Posted - 2012.11.04 02:11:00 -
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I've said this loads of times. Rather than moan, whine, complain or whatever about something, before posting come up with an idea that might improve it. Even if it's a bad idea at least you're getting that idea out there which might evolve into something very useful at a later time. As a result, the game has improved by a seed you planted. If that doesn't happen at least you got that bad idea out of your head to make way for the good ones and got people talking about it.
Zenjin Shoten wrote:ugg reset wrote:squads that stay together, slay together. Well said, yet I have seen many games the last few days were nobody works together. Most dont even talk or use voice chat! Its bothersome!
Ghosts. I'm tellin' ya. |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.11.04 05:28:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:If you really want to make people work together as a team, a good place to start is to remove all rewards for the loosing team. Then if you loose, you just wasted your time and your isk. So you won't want to loose, so you might occasionally take your dropships to a null cannon to let some people spawn and jump out rather than raining down missiles at the people jumping out of the mcc
While i like this idea in theory,I think that it's pretty dangerous ground to tread,therefore I would reserve it for nullsec battles only.
An even better idea is to give greater rewards for winning teams.Back in the last build when we had corp battles,I've only seen teamwork like we had in those matches back when I was playing MAG.Everyone had a mic,and was using it,and was using it in Team Chat,something that's as rare as getting a Balac AR.
Second thing I would do is completely remove Kill/Death ratios,and only have SP earned,ISK earned,and WP earned.Regardless of what people say,there are still those out there that are more concerned about there KDR than they are about their team winning.
Get rid of KDR,and increase the rewards for winning,and you'll be sure to have better teamwork. |
droidb0ne
BetaMax.
12
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Posted - 2012.11.04 06:05:00 -
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Lavirac JR wrote:Losers should get half SP/Isk and Winners should get double SP/Isk. There, solved.
Next I will fix the Eurozone economy.
Pwnd |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.04 07:35:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ima Leet wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:JACK THE R1PPER wrote:why say it then ?. To show we need a better reward system if you squad up you'll be at the top. set defend orders on people in your squad. having a good squad leader is important usually i see a squad at the top of battles, not individuals, unless they're really good. and then it was probably that person doing most of the work... reward system is fine, they just need to get the repair points back in that doesn't allow farming but that's still just gaining more rewards from having higher WP
I play logistics, I can now, even without getting repair points, be in the top of the leaderboards for WP. You act as if hacking an objective (100 points), resupply (25 points), use of respawn points (I can't remember points) don't get you anything. They do. In fact, they net more points over time than just strictly killing stuff. I have gotten over 3k points with only 5 kills before (ok, a lot was assists, but oh well). So to say that the higher WP is your beef, you clearly are misunderstanding WP. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.04 09:32:00 -
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Well I got the most WP in a few matches where my K/D was below 1, because apparently hacking is worth a decent amount of points.
One match in particular, I had 2 kills, 4 deaths, and more WP than any 2 other players in the game. |
Pranekt Tyrvoth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
177
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Posted - 2012.11.04 10:09:00 -
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This is an FPS (MMO or not its still an FPS), not having kill death ratio (as suggested by another poster) is unrealistic.
Besides, I like seeing how many red dots I've annihilated.
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Jarre Jardox
Cool Story But It Needs More EVE
30
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Posted - 2012.11.04 10:48:00 -
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It might work this way already but I feel like the sp you earn should be based solely off ur personal wp and how u did during the match, however ur isk reward should be based off how well ur team did as well as how well u did? Just a thought. Also to go along with tht lots leet players would QQ if sp was based off how well ur team did. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
810
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Posted - 2012.11.04 11:00:00 -
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Anyone else think it would be cool if SP and ISK earned for each squad was pooled at the end of the match and divvied out evenly between the four players? |
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DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.11.04 11:10:00 -
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Quote:....I really want to see a return of WP for repairing (but obviously with some kind of measures in place to prevent boosting, probably negating earning WP for damage from falling/crashing or friendly fire.
haha nope wont do that cause than enemies would just team up and ram your vehicle, wayy to much to code, they got rid of it for a reason cause thats all people WERE doing. I even posted a thread on me testing that theory of being able to boost with the repair gun, will not see a return of WP with repair guns, it encourages camping and bad team work. People don't take them anymore cause their precious way to boost is gone. Oh well, guess people don't actually wanna play the mechanics of this game, teamwork.
Anyways, carry onto whatever you guys were talking about. |
Pranekt Tyrvoth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
177
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Posted - 2012.11.04 12:09:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Anyone else think it would be cool if SP and ISK earned for each squad was pooled at the end of the match and divvied out evenly between the four players?
Only with fellow corpmates, not randoms. No offense but if I'm making 25/1, capturing objectives, and doing more than my fair share, and whatever other three people happen to be around (assuming I wasn't already grouped with corpmates instead) are derping around as if they don't know what a controller is, then...
No, I don't really want me carrying a squad (or team) to be divvied out to other players. I'm sort of a nice guy but I'm no charity.
However, I suppose an option could be integrated to allow a squad leader to decide if rewards are shared equally/communally or based solely around individual performance. Option, not absolute. |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
323
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Posted - 2012.11.04 12:51:00 -
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Pranekt Tyrvoth wrote:This is an FPS (MMO or not its still an FPS), not having kill death ratio (as suggested by another poster) is unrealistic.
Besides, I like seeing how many red dots I've annihilated.
How is it unrealistic? You act as.if it has never been done before in a shooter. |
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