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zdowgg
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:43:00 -
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what do u think will happen when people like me get there hands on there money from eve how can we really compare this s a real test this is a legit qwestion lets tlak about it |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:46:00 -
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Well when happened a few weeks ago, corps with EVE connections bathed in isk. |
Lavirac JR
DUST University
Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:47:00 -
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zdowgg wrote:what do u think will happen when people like me get there hands on there money from eve how can we really compare this s a real test this is a legit qwestion lets tlak about it
Tanks and dropships everywhere....
Honestly, the rewards for missions need to be higher and the cost of equipment needs to be higher, I mean 10 fold both. Eve got an economics specialist, you'd think they'd realize that. |
zdowgg
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:49:00 -
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exsactly so how can ccp call ths a beta with out letting the people do what ccp already knows there gunna do any ways that way ccp can ajust the game to the isk from eve |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:54:00 -
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Well, as long as we are on Singularity server, since it cannot handle extreme pressure (even before Dust was put on it she was iffy at times) then we won't be able to do it. Last time they even accidentally allowed it there was massive problems with the market not being stable.
As far as once we get to the live server, you will find that more people will be willing to use their nicer gear. Nothing major will change, except you will see more people get out of the militia gear. |
zdowgg
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:56:00 -
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yes but shoudent u also see more people like me with sagris most people can drive one but just dont have there isk to buy it or what ever else thay have weather it be drop ship or othere typs of tanks |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:59:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Well when happened a few weeks ago, corps with EVE connections bathed in isk.
you mean how the game will work?
billions of isk will be pumped into dust corps. the people with so much isk they can't spend it fast enough will finally have a release.
if you think your corp is important and you don't have a high alliance you will be left behind |
zdowgg
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.11.02 05:02:00 -
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that and im just tlkain about people sitting on nad ass **** but just dont have isk to put it on the feild and they will have that isk wonce they get there eve isk |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.11.02 05:13:00 -
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Lavirac JR wrote:zdowgg wrote:what do u think will happen when people like me get there hands on there money from eve how can we really compare this s a real test this is a legit qwestion lets tlak about it Tanks and dropships everywhere.... Honestly, the rewards for missions need to be higher and the cost of equipment needs to be higher, I mean 10 fold both. Eve got an economics specialist, you'd think they'd realize that.
Like...
Please tell us the glorious reasoning which qualifies your statement over the implicit suggestions of two degree holding economists. Blind us with your science! |
zdowgg
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.11.02 05:21:00 -
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no hes right they need to rais the rewards for dust players to match eve players cause in eve in one day i can make 500 mil and whos stoping me from puting that on dust and goin out and buying 250 tanks and just havin a ball cause i know im gunna have tanks for life when this really comes out |
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Villore Isu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.11.02 09:17:00 -
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1. There will be some sort of tax when transferring ISK between the two games, maybe even as high as 75%.
2. EVE players won't transfer nearly as much as people think they will, the only reason so much ISK got injected a couple of weeks ago is because ISK is worthless on SiSi, the same cannot be said for TQ. |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
192
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Posted - 2012.11.02 10:10:00 -
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Whilst I agree with Villore on point 1, I think your way off the mark with point 2.
I know for a fact there are people with that much ISK in eve they've nothing they want or need to spend it on. Now dust is here those people will be willing to put in billions. |
Radioship
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.11.02 10:29:00 -
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There will be matchmaking, so if you spend 10bil on your gear expect to face equal SP, K/D, Geared enemies.
Whats the problem with it?
Even if i transfer 100b from EVE, this doesnt mean i can buy something better than a guy with 1bill (since most expensive gear is not that expensive for EVE standarts, i.e. top rifle is 100k for example). No one said that rewards in retail wil be same as right now. They can equal it to EVE standarts (50m per hour of GOOD play), and make gear cost more (1mil instead of 7.500 ISK)
As for right now rewards are pretty low, getting #2 in match net around 120k, with 15/5 ratio, when each set of gear is ~50k, which is loss in ISK.
Its a good option to play DUST to get some money, and spend it in EVE on spaceships pvp! |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.02 10:57:00 -
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I personally look forward to it
I have no backing from EVE players nor do I play it so I won't have any ISK given to me, I'm just going to do what I do now, destroy kittens that have expensive gear with my cheap fits. What's the problem? |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.11.02 11:15:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Well when happened a few weeks ago, corps with EVE connections bathed in isk.
Not really. While some DUST corps will get a significant flow from EVE, the reason the amounts a few week ago were so devastating was that Sisi ISK is essentially free.
On Tranquillity, Eve Isk is not.
If anything else, this may be a good thing, more people will be getting a 30-day PLEX to sell in eve, which may be helping drive the EVE PLEX prices back down to their original level.
At some point I even suggested that CCP start letting DUST players buy 5- and 10-day PLEX cards for AUR in DUST, to sell to EVE players. I had no response to that suggestion, solving two problems, one being ISK shortage in DUST, the other being PLEX being over priced in EVE. |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:14:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Well when happened a few weeks ago, corps with EVE connections bathed in isk.
Here's what your missing, we are on singularity and isk on singularity is monopoly money. I don't think much will change maybe a bit more vehicle play. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:29:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Well when happened a few weeks ago, corps with EVE connections bathed in isk. Not really. While some DUST corps will get a significant flow from EVE, the reason the amounts a few week ago were so devastating was that Sisi ISK is essentially free. On Tranquillity, Eve Isk is not.
Your so wrong its making me happy face.
My little birds tell me at least 4 corps in this beta will be bathing in isk once this goes live.
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Ass Dan
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:39:00 -
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Jariel Manton wrote:Here's what your missing, we are on singularity and isk on singularity is monopoly money. I don't think much will change maybe a bit more vehicle play.
What'll change is that people with EVE money would never care about dying, would roll in proto (or whatever they're best skilled for) every time, and would throw sagaris tanks around without a care. It'd totally trivialize that side of the game for people with EVE money.
Which is why there's no guarantee they'll simply connect the economies and wash their hands of it. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:55:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Well when happened a few weeks ago, corps with EVE connections bathed in isk. Not really. While some DUST corps will get a significant flow from EVE, the reason the amounts a few week ago were so devastating was that Sisi ISK is essentially free. On Tranquillity, Eve Isk is not. Your so wrong its making me happy face. My little birds tell me at least 4 corps in this beta will be bathing in isk once this goes live.
My statement While some DUST corps will get a significant flow from EVE should cover your position quite nicely :P |
JoshuaEvil666
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
33
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:00:00 -
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Villore Isu wrote:1. There will be some sort of tax when transferring ISK between the two games, maybe even as high as 75%.
2. EVE players won't transfer nearly as much as people think they will, the only reason so much ISK got injected a couple of weeks ago is because ISK is worthless on SiSi, the same cannot be said for TQ.
i have over 300 bill in my wallet that i transfered, my wallet is a mirror of the wallet on TQ how is that not the same ? |
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:07:00 -
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zdowgg
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:14:00 -
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cause u did his when the game let u and now it dont wich is dumb cause its gunna happen any way |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:51:00 -
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People also seem to be forgetting that we don't know where prices are going to go once we hit TQ as the production of the better gear will no longer be an infinite supply from the NPC market god, but will have to be made by Eve players using resources.
When that happens, prices will fluctuate wildly. If the Eve community isn't given a month or two head start to build up a supply, then that 80k ISK item you pull off the market today might be 400k+ when we hit TQ because the supply will be very low while the demand goes high. |
Conraire
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.11.03 02:33:00 -
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What happens with Isk when we hit tranquility really depends on who decides to influence things in Dust. Now an average corp small to mid size may be able to drop 100m to their dust branch, without a second thought. I don't think you're going to be seeing people dropping 2bil+ per character a lot. Though it's possible if major nullsec alliances get involved.
But, I don't see that happening yet since Dust is only going to influence faction warfare at first. These people that say they have 300b isk in their wallet on tranq, I say prove it. I'd say cash injections of 30-50m will be fairly common, but much over that, until Dust has a bigger role won't be seen often.
I think everyone wants to hand their Dust character billions of isk from their eve character without thought to where that isk is going. Would a dust character realistically need that much isk, ever.
And I agree with what someone else said, we don't know what prices will be once the weapons and such go manufactured. I know I plan on manufacturing dust equipment on my EVE toon, but I generally sell at mineral value+5-10%. With dust gear being more of a volume purchase thing, I may lower that margin and make my profit by volume. And when it comes to that, they do need to seed the blueprints to make things into the market before the move to tranq. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.11.03 05:01:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Well when happened a few weeks ago, corps with EVE connections bathed in isk.
Because ISK on Singularity has no value. We got all of it by buying freighters for 100 ISK and self-destructing them for the base insurance payout of over a billion. When the two games connect on Tranquility, you're going to see the true value of ISK, and those who dump loads of it onto their Dust characters thinking it'll make them uber will just be in for a world of hurt. |
natedog4333
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.03 14:56:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:I personally look forward to it
I have no backing from EVE players nor do I play it so I won't have any ISK given to me, I'm just going to do what I do now, destroy kittens that have expensive gear with my cheap fits. What's the problem?
True that
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DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.11.03 16:08:00 -
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Lavirac JR wrote:zdowgg wrote:what do u think will happen when people like me get there hands on there money from eve how can we really compare this s a real test this is a legit qwestion lets tlak about it Tanks and dropships everywhere.... Honestly, the rewards for missions need to be higher and the cost of equipment needs to be higher, I mean 10 fold both. Eve got an economics specialist, you'd think they'd realize that.
The rewards need to be higher... the prices dont need to be higher, people should be able to pick up this game and start earning stuff to help the play better faster xD As long as your unlocking the things but still grinding for SP than your statement wont solve the problem, were just gonna be at square one again.... so than a 200k tank will become 500k? with the same armour and shields? A standards assault rifle will become 10k... the next one up 15? the next higher? the next one up 30k?
even though my numbers arent correct do you atleast see what im talking about :U |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.11.03 17:14:00 -
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The ISK cost of equipment is fine. There's no need to try to be jacking it through the roof just to prevent something that won't be nearly as much of an issue as some of you think. Besides, just from a practicality standpoint, would it really make sense for an Assault Rifle to cost the same as a Frigate? |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
106
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Posted - 2012.11.03 18:54:00 -
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Lavirac JR wrote:zdowgg wrote:what do u think will happen when people like me get there hands on there money from eve how can we really compare this s a real test this is a legit qwestion lets tlak about it Tanks and dropships everywhere.... Honestly, the rewards for missions need to be higher and the cost of equipment needs to be higher, I mean 10 fold both. Eve got an economics specialist, you'd think they'd realize that.
Look up the word "inflation". |
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