DUST Search - When are we going to get more players?

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

xjumpman23 wrote:

This build has turned into a bunch of noob slaying and QQing from corporations because they weren't accepted into a beta tournament. It would be nice to get some fresh blood in here that can hopefully make things exciting.

BTW CCP needs to uncap the 4 man squads and condition the player-base to move into real corporations.

With all due respect but stop and listen to what you are saying.
WHAAAA noobs are leaving.

So you KILL noobs over, and over and over and over by using better gear and more sp for better skills leading to more noob killing and you expect them to STAY??

But then thats like folks using tanks in E3 build or dropships in Codex build going 40-0 and then asking why the noobs are leaving??

How about you use militia suits with nothing in the slots and only militia handgun with NO SP into your skills on a daisy fresh character???
So make it "exciting" and put down that AR and just use a nova knife or go melee only the entire build.

And on the game side CCP needs to make some noob only areas.

Went 41-6 on a 600k SP character with only militia gear, noob slaying is noob slaying regardless of gear brobro.

So you went 41-6 melee ONLY or nova knife ONLY??
And with EMPTY slots in the militia suits??
Please ELABORATE:

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xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.29 00:51:00 - [1] - Quote This build has turned into a bunch of noob slaying and QQing from corporations because they weren't accepted into a beta tournament. It would be nice to get some fresh blood in here that can hopefully make things exciting. BTW CCP needs to uncap the 4 man squads and condition the player-base to move into real corporations.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.29 00:59:00 - [2] - Quote Go on jump. Start open recruitment for GC :P There's your problem. Good corps recruit good players, the rest will just flap about like the target practise they are.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 391	Posted - 2012.10.29 01:25:00 - [3] - Quote Anyone coming to this now, even if they've paid, I reckon will last a max of a dozen or so games before laughing and walking away. So yeah, good luck seeing any new players. I am honestly astonished how long this has been in beta only to keep getting worse and worse. I truly regret spending money on this ( merc pack ) lesson learnt, never again. CCP cannot have anyone play testing this tbh because they seem oblivious. Or just don't give a monkeys. Pun intended.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.10.29 01:30:00 - [4] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Go on jump. Start open recruitment for GC :P There's your problem. Good corps recruit good players, the rest will just flap about like the target practise they are.
Kasshern s Chrome SyNergy Gaming 47	Posted - 2012.10.29 01:35:00 - [5] - Quote ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Anyone coming to this now, even if they've paid, I reckon will last a max of a dozen or so games before laughing and walking away. So yeah, good luck seeing any new players. I am honestly astonished how long this has been in beta only to keep getting worse and worse. I truly regret spending money on this ( merc pack ) lesson learnt, never again. CCP cannot have anyone play testing this tbh because they seem oblivious. Or just don't give a monkeys. Pun intended. GG worse ? i agree man the hit detection is absolutely WORST than before, and the clan support GOD awful.. they keep fixing things we ask them too, what horrible people +100
RIMSICLE BLUMPKIN 24	Posted - 2012.10.29 01:43:00 - [6] - Quote Kasshern s Chrome wrote: ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Anyone coming to this now, even if they've paid, I reckon will last a max of a dozen or so games before laughing and walking away. So yeah, good luck seeing any new players. I am honestly astonished how long this has been in beta only to keep getting worse and worse. I truly regret spending money on this ( merc pack ) lesson learnt, never again. CCP cannot have anyone play testing this tbh because they seem oblivious. Or just don't give a monkeys. Pun intended. GG worse ? i agree man the hit detection is absolutely WORST than before, and the clan support GOD awful.. they keep fixing things we ask them too, what horrible people +100 8 months and HD fixed, going by this I'm guessing on 2015 release then. EDIT... Frikkin fanbois.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.29 01:49:00 - [7] - Quote Kasshern s Chrome wrote: ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Anyone coming to this now, even if they've paid, I reckon will last a max of a dozen or so games before laughing and walking away. So yeah, good luck seeing any new players. I am honestly astonished how long this has been in beta only to keep getting worse and worse. I truly regret spending money on this ( merc pack ) lesson learnt, never again. CCP cannot have anyone play testing this tbh because they seem oblivious. Or just don't give a monkeys. Pun intended. GG worse ? i agree man the hit detection is absolutely WORST than before, and the clan support GOD awful.. they keep fixing things we ask them too, what horrible people +100 CCP hasn't fixed anything with this game. They've only dumbed it down and catered to noobs. Anybody that fails to see this either joined the game late or hasn't played a great game before.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.10.29 01:51:00 - [8] - Quote the faces I've been shooting for the past 4 builds have grown stale. can i get a new face to shoot, please?
Kasshern s Chrome SyNergy Gaming 47	Posted - 2012.10.29 02:39:00 - [9] - Quote dumbing down is tweaking which is attending to problems and not a fanboi this game is not at all fixed just saying its not getting worse...(seems that way when people treat it as a full release)
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.29 03:43:00 - [10] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: This build has turned into a bunch of noob slaying and QQing from corporations because they weren't accepted into a beta tournament. It would be nice to get some fresh blood in here that can hopefully make things exciting. BTW CCP needs to uncap the 4 man squads and condition the player-base to move into real corporations. With all due respect but stop and listen to what you are saying. WHAAAA noobs are leaving. So you KILL noobs over, and over and over and over by using better gear and more sp for better skills leading to more noob killing and you expect them to STAY?? But then thats like folks using tanks in E3 build or dropships in Codex build going 40-0 and then asking why the noobs are leaving?? How about you use militia suits with nothing in the slots and only militia handgun with NO SP into your skills on a daisy fresh character??? So make it "exciting" and put down that AR and just use a nova knife or go melee only the entire build. And on the game side CCP needs to make some noob only areas.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.29 03:48:00 - [11] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: the faces I've been shooting for the past 4 builds have grown stale. can i get a new face to shoot, please? Go knife/melee only the entire build.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.10.29 03:50:00 - [12] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: xjumpman23 wrote: This build has turned into a bunch of noob slaying and QQing from corporations because they weren't accepted into a beta tournament. It would be nice to get some fresh blood in here that can hopefully make things exciting. BTW CCP needs to uncap the 4 man squads and condition the player-base to move into real corporations. With all due respect but stop and listen to what you are saying. WHAAAA noobs are leaving. So you KILL noobs over, and over and over and over by using better gear and more sp for better skills leading to more noob killing and you expect them to STAY?? But then thats like folks using tanks in E3 build or dropships in Codex build going 40-0 and then asking why the noobs are leaving?? How about you use militia suits with nothing in the slots and only militia handgun with NO SP into your skills on a daisy fresh character??? So make it "exciting" and put down that AR and just use a nova knife or go melee only the entire build. And on the game side CCP needs to make some noob only areas. Went 41-6 on a 600k SP character with only militia gear, noob slaying is noob slaying regardless of gear brobro.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.29 03:54:00 - [13] - Quote You are describing major problems with the game right there Tech, although you might not realise it. Bring back "tier regulated" games. I.E. militia & standard gear or lower. Advanced gear or lower. Protogear or lower. I really couldn't give 2 ticks about "that's not sandbox". I want players, good games, and "fair" fights. There is a good reason in EvE you start in hisec. If it dropped you into 0.0 everyone would rage quit. CCP had this working on the night Precursor was released, we got 1 night playing it like that. It made things FAR more interesting. There was only 1 game FULL of Proto users. Those games were brilliant. I also dropped into standard & advanced games. Both brilliant. Except vehicles were not regulated in the same way. I felt bad calling in my gunnloggi vs militia nOObs. But that's testing.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:04:00 - [14] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: You are describing major problems with the game right there Tech, although you might not realise it. Bring back "tier regulated" games. I.E. militia & standard gear or lower. Advanced gear or lower. Protogear or lower. I really couldn't give 2 ticks about "that's not sandbox". I want players, good games, and "fair" fights. There is a good reason in EvE you start in hisec. If it dropped you into 0.0 everyone would rage quit. CCP had this working on the night Precursor was released, we got 1 night playing it like that. It made things FAR more interesting. There was only 1 game FULL of Proto users. Those games were brilliant. I also dropped into standard & advanced games. Both brilliant. Except vehicles were not regulated in the same way. I felt bad calling in my gunnloggi vs militia nOObs. But that's testing. I've made several threads suggesting and giving feedback to CCP about doing just what you described. Thankfully someone out there is like minded. Ha-ha. Of course that is a drop in the bucket and there is a whole bucket of issues.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:08:00 - [15] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: BTW CCP needs to uncap the 4 man squads and condition the player-base to move into real corporations. While I tend to agree with this,with all of the problems within the beta,you actually want to and more players? Ultimately,there really needs to be at least eight man squads,but I'm not going to cry for it until this beta runs a hellava lot smoother,and other tech issues are resolved.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:10:00 - [16] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: You are describing major problems with the game right there Tech, although you might not realise it. Bring back "tier regulated" games. I.E. militia & standard gear or lower. Advanced gear or lower. Protogear or lower. I really couldn't give 2 ticks about "that's not sandbox". I want players, good games, and "fair" fights. There is a good reason in EvE you start in hisec. If it dropped you into 0.0 everyone would rage quit. CCP had this working on the night Precursor was released, we got 1 night playing it like that. It made things FAR more interesting. There was only 1 game FULL of Proto users. Those games were brilliant. I also dropped into standard & advanced games. Both brilliant. Except vehicles were not regulated in the same way. I felt bad calling in my gunnloggi vs militia nOObs. But that's testing. AGREED! I also played a few games that day and it was GREAT!!! Now the best I can do is just use militia gear and try and kill the folks using the proto ARs. I die a lot but the hate mail that I get when I kill someone that had an expensive proto AR is worth it.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:17:00 - [17] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: xjumpman23 wrote: This build has turned into a bunch of noob slaying and QQing from corporations because they weren't accepted into a beta tournament. It would be nice to get some fresh blood in here that can hopefully make things exciting. BTW CCP needs to uncap the 4 man squads and condition the player-base to move into real corporations. With all due respect but stop and listen to what you are saying. WHAAAA noobs are leaving. So you KILL noobs over, and over and over and over by using better gear and more sp for better skills leading to more noob killing and you expect them to STAY?? But then thats like folks using tanks in E3 build or dropships in Codex build going 40-0 and then asking why the noobs are leaving?? How about you use militia suits with nothing in the slots and only militia handgun with NO SP into your skills on a daisy fresh character??? So make it "exciting" and put down that AR and just use a nova knife or go melee only the entire build. And on the game side CCP needs to make some noob only areas. Went 41-6 on a 600k SP character with only militia gear, noob slaying is noob slaying regardless of gear brobro. So you went 41-6 melee ONLY or nova knife ONLY?? And with EMPTY slots in the militia suits?? Please ELABORATE:
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:23:00 - [18] - Quote Bear in mind that this is a closed beta and one of the main reasons people are leaving is because it's painfully buggy, not necessarily because noobs are getting curbstomped. I mean most people are bad at first person shooters, regardless of which first person shooter they play - getting wrecked in one or the other isn't going to matter to them, they usually just keep playing. Hard to expect anyone to keep playing through when you have constant framerate issues, glitches, bugs, etc. Yes, it is a beta, but some issues are enough to turn people off to it. In relation to gear? Once you get out of militia gear, you stand a pretty equal footing/chance to everyone else, and some people are skilled enough to do exceptionally well even in militia. Regardless of whether said noob is in prototype or militia, he's still likely to get owned, it's just a matter of how much isk its costing him.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:23:00 - [19] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: xjumpman23 wrote: This build has turned into a bunch of noob slaying and QQing from corporations because they weren't accepted into a beta tournament. It would be nice to get some fresh blood in here that can hopefully make things exciting. BTW CCP needs to uncap the 4 man squads and condition the player-base to move into real corporations. With all due respect but stop and listen to what you are saying. WHAAAA noobs are leaving. So you KILL noobs over, and over and over and over by using better gear and more sp for better skills leading to more noob killing and you expect them to STAY?? But then thats like folks using tanks in E3 build or dropships in Codex build going 40-0 and then asking why the noobs are leaving?? How about you use militia suits with nothing in the slots and only militia handgun with NO SP into your skills on a daisy fresh character??? So make it "exciting" and put down that AR and just use a nova knife or go melee only the entire build. And on the game side CCP needs to make some noob only areas. Went 41-6 on a 600k SP character with only militia gear, noob slaying is noob slaying regardless of gear brobro. So you went 41-6 melee ONLY or nova knife ONLY?? And with EMPTY slots in the militia suits?? Please ELABORATE: No, I didn't do it with just that. Just a basic militia only fit. I'm saying you can't blame people playing the game for making other people ragequit. The random high sec matchmaking needs to be worked on. Locking gear is good and should be sufficient in most cases, but maybe another ranking like KDR or something could be used too.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:34:00 - [20] - Quote SP is actually more important than gear. A militia starter fit player with say 12 mil SP is a god compared to a type 2 suit, with only 1 mil SP. figures based on last builds SP. But, once you have shiny stuff, you just don't want to use militia gear :P

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:34:00 - [21] - Quote KDR locking also sounds good since its not very good to have a new to the game player going versus a 9.5 KDR player. Also seeing myself on a squad versus ten orange dots makes it interesting but it may make noobs ragequit.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:39:00 - [22] - Quote SP, gear, KDR, I would be surprised if the matchmaking wasn't near perfect if all those things were taken into consideration :P
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:39:00 - [23] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: SP is actually more important than gear. A militia starter fit player with say 12 mil SP is a god compared to a type 2 suit, with only 1 mil SP. figures based on last builds SP. But, once you have shiny stuff, you just don't want to use militia gear :P Perhaps a noob area needs to be KDR under 1 to be able to enter and SP less than two million with militia only room and advanced only rooms?? And have players with less than two months playtime unable to use proto gear once the game launches??
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:39:00 - [24] - Quote I don't see the need for KDR locking, separate lobbies, or handholding.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:45:00 - [25] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Tony Calif wrote: SP is actually more important than gear. A militia starter fit player with say 12 mil SP is a god compared to a type 2 suit, with only 1 mil SP. figures based on last builds SP. But, once you have shiny stuff, you just don't want to use militia gear :P Perhaps a noob area needs to be KDR under 1 to be able to enter and SP less than two million with militia only room and advanced only rooms?? And have players with less than two months playtime unable to use proto gear once the game launches?? Way too much. Just the simple tier limits should be fine. Sooner rather than later please CCP. Obviously, this is hisec only sorta stuff. 0.0 is no limits.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:45:00 - [26] - Quote I think an option to choose this sort of handholding matchmaking would be nice
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:48:00 - [27] - Quote Yeah, so long as 0.0 has no rules/is lawless, all is well.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:49:00 - [28] - Quote Pranekt Tyrvoth wrote: Yeah, so long as 0.0 has no rules/is lawless, all is well. I think majority of us assumed this was a given :P
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:56:00 - [29] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Pranekt Tyrvoth wrote: Yeah, so long as 0.0 has no rules/is lawless, all is well. I think majority of us assumed this was a given :P Shhhhhh. ;[ I am not captain obvious. ..or wait--
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.10.29 05:03:00 - [30] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: This build has turned into a bunch of noob slaying and QQing from corporations because they weren't accepted into a beta tournament. It would be nice to get some fresh blood in here that can hopefully make things exciting. BTW CCP needs to uncap the 4 man squads and condition the player-base to move into real corporations. Running into the same people over and over does get a little stale but this is a closed beta so it makes sense.

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2012.10.29 05:07:00 - [31] - Quote We don't need more players because this is a beta. If you opened flood gate to everyone who wants to try Dust out (btw I have not been really keeping up, and so I hope this has not actually already happened) right now, they will get a taste of the game in its unfinished state with all its problems. They will turn around and leave never to come back even after the release. As far as the tired feel of this beta goes with the same group of players running into each other over and over and over for many months - so true things have been stagnant beyond belief. I don't even know what we are testing anymore. I mean the guns finally for the last week or so have been balanced - thanks CCP (good job imo). All the maps have been beat to a pulp. All the big issues like lag and frame rate have not budged. Seems like we put way more effort into testing than the dev team puts into fixing things. To me it seems that this is happening because we started testing a game that was not beta ready, major components of the game are not in place yet. We just were introduced to corps after so many months whereas they were supposed to be central to the whole game. The whole layer of the game that goes beyond simple FPS with corps and territory control and EvE interaction is absent as of now and it was supposed to be center piece that set Dust apart from all other FPS. I guess this is the way of CCP they offer half-baked games and continue developing them as ppl play.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 49	Posted - 2012.10.29 05:51:00 - [32] - Quote I say the best we can do is report the bugs we find and chew out CCP when needed to make sure this game will be flawless when it goes public.
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 06:13:00 - [33] - Quote Some very interesting points raised in this topic. For one thing. When i started playing as a Logibro for the first time ever (which was this build) i got curbstomped alot, i mean ALOT. My K/D was horrible and i was hardly earning anything ISK wise. Did i give up? No. I got better :) Got me a BPO millitia suit, ignored targets i knew i couldn't take out with militia gear (such as heavys, groups of poeple, players i regonized as having killed me a bunch of times...) and started playing more akin to how a Logibro plays. Hiding, moving stealthily, supporting teammates with cover fire, Reving those that died in places where i wouldn't get shot, ect ect. I think if anyone can get past the fact that they are going to die because they're new to DUST then eventually they will do better. on the restricted player matchup idea where millitia fights against millitia. I had an interesting thought. For one it seems to me that if a millitia player fought only against millitia players, he would learn how to fight on even ground but wouldn't learn how to fight against opponents tougher than him. Then when he moves to a bigger risk sector, and gets curbstomped he may go back to the lower risk area's despite the potential gain to be had if he puts in the effort. So what i was pondering was what if the Match-up sectors were based on your Dropsuit/Vehicles total Meta Level instead? Keep the faith.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.29 07:21:00 - [34] - Quote CCP needs to let player into this game that can put up a fight. The Current playerbase definitely isn't doing it.
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.29 07:33:00 - [35] - Quote RIMSICLE BLUMPKIN wrote: Kasshern s Chrome wrote: ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Anyone coming to this now, even if they've paid, I reckon will last a max of a dozen or so games before laughing and walking away. So yeah, good luck seeing any new players. I am honestly astonished how long this has been in beta only to keep getting worse and worse. I truly regret spending money on this ( merc pack ) lesson learnt, never again. CCP cannot have anyone play testing this tbh because they seem oblivious. Or just don't give a monkeys. Pun intended. GG worse ? i agree man the hit detection is absolutely WORST than before, and the clan support GOD awful.. they keep fixing things we ask them too, what horrible people +100 8 months and HD fixed, going by this I'm guessing on 2015 release then. EDIT... Frikkin fanbois. lol, why are you still here?
RIMSICLE BLUMPKIN 24	Posted - 2012.10.29 15:44:00 - [36] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: RIMSICLE BLUMPKIN wrote: Kasshern s Chrome wrote: ICECREAMK1NG wrote: Anyone coming to this now, even if they've paid, I reckon will last a max of a dozen or so games before laughing and walking away. So yeah, good luck seeing any new players. I am honestly astonished how long this has been in beta only to keep getting worse and worse. I truly regret spending money on this ( merc pack ) lesson learnt, never again. CCP cannot have anyone play testing this tbh because they seem oblivious. Or just don't give a monkeys. Pun intended. GG worse ? i agree man the hit detection is absolutely WORST than before, and the clan support GOD awful.. they keep fixing things we ask them too, what horrible people +100 8 months and HD fixed, going by this I'm guessing on 2015 release then. EDIT... Frikkin fanbois. lol, why are you still here? We are not. Maybe one or two pop back once in a while to see if anything's changed. It hasn't. Toodle loo.


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