There should definitely be some kind of protected main spawn point.
I am finding it very irritating to find as soon as I spawn that I'm cut down by some boring idiot who thinks its sporting to sit at the spawn point and wait.

Anyone else irritated by this?

I mean when the opposing team have gained a foothold, there is no chane to bring balance back when they can simply sit and blast away at people spawning.

once the enemy has kicked everyone out of the map and taken all the points it's impossible to try to get back. if you spawn a vehicle the vehicle will be destroyed before it is brought to you.

I actually got an LAV with a mobile CRU WAY past the line of spawn campers (all the way to the NULL cannon closest to the enemy spawn); my team then proceeded to show me how they managed to get redlined because only 1 person ever spawned on it.

It's pretty annoying too when my team isn't even redlined, yet they manage to snipe me when I spawn.

Yeah, Manus Peak (formerly known as Crater lake) is pretty bad for this. Cliff tops are entirely protective for Snipers and Forge Gunners, and that's all this map has at both ends. Fortunately the AV minefield glitch has been fixed so if a team is smart and cohesive enough, they can send multiple loaded LAVs to different points.

But this is under the condition that your team is ACTUALLY talking to eachother and spawn points are made a little fairer and behind buildings. That's probably something that CCP should look at in the future.

Dare I say it, working as intended? Get a drop uplink.

Drop uplinks are even easier to camp

Drop uplink got found? Place it in a better spot next time. I don't see how you can get camped on a drop uplink as it should take the death of only one person before you realize there's an enemy waiting for you the second you spawn in.

Getting spawn camped is unfortunate but it is the result of being the worse team. I don't understand why people think they should always be able to win? Sometimes your team just gets too far behind and that's gg.

Getting far behind is fine. Drop links are good, inserting a forward position and defending it is good, the fact that drop links get over run is great, that is a game mechanic that Should stay the way it is. The problem I have is that there isn't a main spawn point to fall back on. If, on the only spawn point you have left, there's someone siting the other end waiting for you to appear then there should be a rule whereby the team is overrun and automatically loses. It's not the fact that I can't win, but rather the fact that there is no chance to win when the main spawn is overrun. As I said before there a rule whereby if there are a certain number of enemy in the vicinity of the main spawn point then it should be an automatic win, so I don't have the agony of simply spawning until the close reserves are depleted.

Drop uplink got found? Place it in a better spot next time. I don't see how you can get camped on a drop uplink as it should take the death of only one person before you realize there's an enemy waiting for you the second you spawn in.

Getting spawn camped is unfortunate but it is the result of being the worse team. I don't understand why people think they should always be able to win? Sometimes your team just gets too far behind and that's gg.

It is adding insult to injury and when you have the ability to do it, it is entertaining as hell. Agreed though, very irritating when your team is spawn camped, uplinks destroyed.

Still, it should be encouraging people to be smarter than to be spawn camped and works fine as is.

Getting far behind is fine. Drop links are good, inserting a forward position and defending it is good, the fact that drop links get over run is great, that is a game mechanic that Should stay the way it is. The problem I have is that there isn't a main spawn point to fall back on. If, on the only spawn point you have left, there's someone siting the other end waiting for you to appear then there should be a rule whereby the team is overrun and automatically loses. It's not the fact that I can't win, but rather the fact that there is no chance to win when the main spawn is overrun. As I said before there a rule whereby if there are a certain number of enemy in the vicinity of the main spawn point then it should be an automatic win, so I don't have the agony of simply spawning until the close reserves are depleted.

Exactly, there is then no incentive to continue with the match. CCP will then probably find large numbers of gamers simply quitting the match because there's no point continuing.

To lazy to look up the post and link it. Think it was Nova Knife that had the great idea of controlling "zones" of the battlefield, which would give safe spawn pts. He explains it more eloquent then I ever could, was a good read.

Especially since CCP has made it to where people still get SP/ISK rewards even if they quit the match. Before you flame, I know it was so that people who get kicked/DCed from the match don't go away empty handed. But it's being abused by those who just quit out when they're on the loosing side or see not point in continuing the battle. Not very hardcore in my opinion.

I'm not sure if it is posible with the engine they are using. But couldn't they implement a safety for when spawning, like say you just spawned and for the next 3-5 seconds you are invuln, but only if you do not fire your gun. activating your weapon will immediatly negate it's effect. I remember having this feature in Socom confrontation, and it was great for campers, especially on the small oil rig map

I've been saying 2 or 3 seconds of invulnerability would be enough to prepare yourself. But I can't tell if it has fallen on deaf ears. So keep saying it, and eventually they may listen.

A surrender option is interesting. But why would the winning team wanna give up 40 more kills, especially if they think they are easy? the same with spawn camping. If you're getting free kill after free kill why would you want it to end? They will always say that it is perfect the way it is.

Abused? It doesn't work, so how does one abuse it?

1. quitting a losing match should incur a penalty.

2. if you are getting spawned camped, it's your fault. not the enemy. there is nothing else to do once the bases are capped.
the maps are big enough to break out. if you fall back and camp and then quit, you should incur a penalty for that.

3. there should be no "spawn protection" at all.
if you spawn you spawn. if you spawn into a trap, that's on you. ask your squad if it's safe to spawn.
no mic? squad not using a mic? again, your fault.


you guys and your training wheels.

if you think it's bad now, wait til you are playing real teams and not pub stack rooms.

it gets much, much worse.

Peace
B