DUST Search - [FEEDBACK] Heavy Suit's

Altina McAlterson wrote:

They don't have the tank to be able to defend a position against anything larger than a single enemy player unless the enemy is running weak gear, they have no defense against an enemy at range, and they lack the speed to dictate battle pace or location. All a heavy can do is look for single red dots, hope they get there before anyone else shows up and hope that there's no one with an AR sitting behind some cover nearby.

You can run up on a heavy with a militia assault rifle from behind and he's down before he can even turn around. You can get right in his face in a scout suit, weaving back and forth and take him down with an SMG since he lacks the movement speed to escape or the turn speed to bring his HMG on you. You can take a few shots, duck behind cover for 2 seconds while your shields recharge and take a few more shots while he's sprinting helplessly for cover. You can take him down during the 8 seconds required to reload his weapon. You can find some cover between the two of you and strafe, keeping the cover between you and him. The heavy lacks the speed to catch up with you. You can play this game forever until help arrives to take him down and he can't shoot you or really run to a new location. If he runs you can back up a bit and take him down at range.

Basically, unless you run directly at him or like to spend most of the match all by yourself running around in a militia fit, a heavy is nothing but an easy kill waiting to happen. We have very few options other than get right in front of an enemy and shoot them. But that only works if they're standing still and alone.

The single biggest issue with the heavy suit is that they lack the ability to disengage from a battle they're losing so they can find cover and recharge or just plan escape. If they are intended to be a class that someone plays regularly and not only when certain circumstances arise they need some work. Doing something to allow them to escape or evade battle would be the most sensible thing. If someone complains they can't kill a heavy because all they do is run away and hide behind cover when they start dying, no one is going to take them seriously. The last thing this class needs is more nerfs. Unfortunately, the extremely slow movement speed, slow armor repair rate, 10 second delay before shield recharge when depleted (which always happens due to the huge hitbox and slow speed) and the overall slow recharge rate of the shields mean there really aren't many viable tactics here. Large, slow moving objects don't usually have a lot of options when they're getting shot.


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Riot Ruckus Doomheim 56	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:40:00 - [1] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: They don't have the tank to be able to defend a position against anything larger than a single enemy player unless the enemy is running weak gear, they have no defense against an enemy at range, and they lack the speed to dictate battle pace or location. All a heavy can do is look for single red dots, hope they get there before anyone else shows up and hope that there's no one with an AR sitting behind some cover nearby. You can run up on a heavy with a militia assault rifle from behind and he's down before he can even turn around. You can get right in his face in a scout suit, weaving back and forth and take him down with an SMG since he lacks the movement speed to escape or the turn speed to bring his HMG on you. You can take a few shots, duck behind cover for 2 seconds while your shields recharge and take a few more shots while he's sprinting helplessly for cover. You can take him down during the 8 seconds required to reload his weapon. You can find some cover between the two of you and strafe, keeping the cover between you and him. The heavy lacks the speed to catch up with you. You can play this game forever until help arrives to take him down and he can't shoot you or really run to a new location. If he runs you can back up a bit and take him down at range. Basically, unless you run directly at him or like to spend most of the match all by yourself running around in a militia fit, a heavy is nothing but an easy kill waiting to happen. We have very few options other than get right in front of an enemy and shoot them. But that only works if they're standing still and alone. The single biggest issue with the heavy suit is that they lack the ability to disengage from a battle they're losing so they can find cover and recharge or just plan escape. If they are intended to be a class that someone plays regularly and not only when certain circumstances arise they need some work. Doing something to allow them to escape or evade battle would be the most sensible thing. If someone complains they can't kill a heavy because all they do is run away and hide behind cover when they start dying, no one is going to take them seriously. The last thing this class needs is more nerfs. Unfortunately, the extremely slow movement speed, slow armor repair rate, 10 second delay before shield recharge when depleted (which always happens due to the huge hitbox and slow speed) and the overall slow recharge rate of the shields mean there really aren't many viable tactics here. Large, slow moving objects don't usually have a lot of options when they're getting shot. TL;DR
Riot Ruckus Doomheim 56	Posted - 2012.10.30 23:44:00 - [2] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: If you're a fellow heavy suit, please fill in your opinion of them and something useful to improve them. At the current state of the heavy, it can hardly take punishment as is. Armor has such a disadvantage at the moment that I often question why even have the standard/Type-A suits in this build because of how easily they're taken out, even by Militia equipment. If anything, the heavies need to be MORE resistant to damage than they currently are because I barely survive a 1-on-1 match up with someone. Increase that to 2-on-1 and I have to hope at all. What i'm getting at is this: If you want to make a suit that is designed to be able to take egregious amounts of punishment but then be slower than the speed of smell, make it so! The state of the heavy in my eyes is that the Armor heavy variant is borderline useless. There's really no reason to use it as far as i'm concerned. The Type-II / B are the dominating suits in the vast majority (read: all) suit classes and it blows my mind. I WANT to be able to use the Type-A heavy that I specced into, but I can't justifiably use it over the Type-II due to the fact that the armor makes no difference/survivability factor over the shield-heavy variant. Now, onto the ideas: Make the armor more resistant to damage -Not necessarily increasing the armor HP, but making the current armor more resistant to damage (as a built in resistance) instead of modules). -With this, I would be fine with decreasing movement speed as a trade-off to the added damage resistance. -If damage mods are being planned, how will they be working (apologies for the vague question)? Take away movement speed penalty in regards to TURNING speed. -This is more of wishful thinking than anything, but if i'm getting shot in the back, by the time I turn around and react to what's happening, i'm already down to about 2/3 to 1/2 of my armor, so i'm at a stark disadvantage. I'm not saying I want to be Superman (flying would be cool though) or be able to take 29847932403 rounds until i'm down to 2/3 armor, just asking that I have a chance to PLAY how the suit is intended to be played. *DISCLAIMER*: I'm also for making the rest of the suits to be more survivable, but since I play a heavy, I focused mainly on that. Personally, as a armor heavy, i have alot of success when i play to my strenghts, when i try to over extend my strenghts into my weakness, things go from bad to worse very quickly. #1 Range- As long as i am within a low-low mid range, i can be successful with the HMG. To combat this, you will usually see me drving around in my Sup-die, hopping out when i am in satisfactory range, cutting down enemies, hopping back in my car, and rinseing and repeating. I also combat this by rolling with a squad, ARs are my best friend, Often times i will carry an AR over the HMG just for the added range in some maps. #2 Skill tree- If you are trying to play a armor heavy and do not have mechanics at V yet, please do not post. As it stands in my higher end suits i rock about 1.15k total life, between my shields and armor, and that can be very hard to kill, not when 3 GEKS/+ are raining down the hurt on me. TL;DR: Play better, skill better. No complaints here on the heavy, i can most times 2v1 most players.