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HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.27 02:35:00 -
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Baron Mingus wrote:I recently read book called "Old Man's War". In it they gave old folks the option of transferring their mind into a super soldier clone instead of eventual death. What they did was hook some kind of link between the clone and original brain so the consciousness existed between both bodies at the same time for a minute or so, then the original would be "shut down", leaving the clone.
This could be a solution to the whole "die every time you use your clone" thing, but it's pretty hard to imagine existing in two bodies as one mind.
ah man I was gonna bring that up ...awesome book..plus 1 brother |
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ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.27 02:41:00 -
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Noel Bellamy wrote:Olav Grey-Mane wrote:Have any of you sat down and thought about the possibility's of having this kind of clone technology? Here are some I've thought of.
World leaders, politicians and the rich could have clones in case they were assassinated.
People could be immortal, have a clone for when you were 30, then when you die at the age of 80 or when ever you are put back into your 30 year old body.
Life insurance would be obsolete!
This is just kind of a fun little thread since it's in the General Discussions I thought it belonged here. Kinda a break from all the beta talk, and just get back to... lore I guess you could say. Have fun with topic! It'd unfortunately probably only be reserved for the rich.
Na if theres money involve you bet your ass they would mass produce it. Life insurance would turn into will i have a clone when my bus comes around insurance. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.10.27 03:05:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Copying the state of a brain, and recreating that state in a clone or a computer is theoretically possible. This kind of immortality will likely be only available for the rich at first.
As technology progresses, things become easier and cheaper to manufacture or perform. In the distant future self replicating molecular nanomachines will be able to manufacture anything and everything we want or need, even without the proper raw materials since they will be able to convert anything to the material they need through molecular and subatomic manipulation. This abundance will lead to currency being obsolete, and concepts of wealth and poverty may become meaningless; I suppose then all humans could gain access to immortality technology, but we might wipe ourselves out, or knock ourselves back to the stone age before we reach that point.
If everyone could have access to immortality, then strict reproduction limits would be required, as well as some colonies on new habitable planets. then there is always the Grey Goo scenario with that
Grey goo can be solved by other nanites designed to stop rogue ones. Anything they destroy could likely just be recreated by more nanites. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.27 04:06:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:If we're on about the real life possibilities, then yes, I've pondered it a lot.
It's one of the reasons I'm studying Biology, that and prosthetics.
One of the questions I ask myself a lot (and a few buds of mine) is if we ever reached a stage of cheap cloning for everyone, how would it affect us? Think of this, if our world is heavily populated now and we had the ability to stop death through cloning, our population would be much greater, so we would probably ban having children or create infertile clones so that we could never have children through normal means.
Whilst that is a sad note, imagine being able to live forever. I believe this would be a wonderful thing, the ability to travel the universe forever would be something I'd do, the ability to become a better person through experience and knowledge, learning something new everyday til the end of the universe itself is something I wish I could do.
Who knows, maybe we have the possibility? I mean, it was only a few years ago people watched things like Star Trek, awed by their little communication devices and well, look what we have now.. mobiles, everywhere. The Sci-Fi genre in television and gaming helps inspire us and eventually we'll probably get there. 1. You are assuming that at this stage of technological development (perfecting cloning technology) we are still stuck on this planet and our space program has barely sent anyone back to the moon. I'm confident that by then we will have already colonized the moon and Mars. Thus allowing the population to safely grow until we have no choice but to advance further to other stars. 2. I wouldn't imagine living forever in a materialistic universe. Being a spiritual person myself (Gnostic) I would rather live forever through the spirit that needs nothing than through the body that needs something. But that's a topic reserved for another kind of forum as I don't want to start a debate about that here. For the record, in case anyone asks, I'm NOT the kind of person who shoves religion down anyone's throat. 3. I remember watching the Stargate: SG-1 series (I own almost all ten seasons on DVD) and see the Asgard use cloning technology as their only means of keeping their race alive after they somehow lost their reproductive abilities. Sadly, they committed mass suicide once the cloning process could not be fixed and their remaining clone reserves were too degenerated for continued use. Humans then inherited their technology and all their knowledge and works in the hopes that Humans would learn a harsh lesson from this. I will miss you all, little grey men.
1) Good point, I forgot about actual colonization of other planets even though I mentioned about traveling through space. am smart, honest. xD
2) We'll leave this, I don't personally believe in anything. (When I was asked about my beliefs once, someone said "What do you think will happen when you die?" My response was well.. um, nothing I guess, when I die it'll just end, it'll be like before I was born, I didn't exist. The sad bit is, it scares the crap outta me.)
3) What I was talking about was the fact we developed communication devices similar to those in Sci FI series and films, which is really cool. It's really only a matter of time before we work on even more things that seem years away. I've also read somewhere about different groups working on replication (for food and stuff)
Also, anyone ever checked this out http://n1on.com |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2012.10.27 04:13:00 -
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A lot of the EVE fiction deals with these very issues. Really is interesting stuff. Even deals with the story of the mathematician that was able to prove Heisenberg wrong and enabled the use of entangled particles to instantly transfer data.
Anyway, about the clones. Remembering your death isn't really a big deal. If the suits are anything like a capsule when you chose to respawn a nuerotoxin is injected that brings an instant death (also, no real need to feel "pain", the suit is more than capable of indication direction of damage) so there's not really any traumatic memory there. Also, very few people have the mental capabilities to survive the process. In later times this natural ability was honed through strict training and mental discipline. The capsuleers of New Eden are an elite few. I'm assuming these clones in DUST went through a similar process, but looking at where they came from it was probably a little less Karate Kid and a little more Clockwork Orange, but I digress. Many people went insane during the process, some just died and some wetgraved. While a few survived to become these elite soldiers and later capsuleers.
As far as it not being you...yea, it's you. Regardless of what you personally believe everything that makes you "you" is stored in chemical form in your brain and transmitted through electrical impulses. Everything. Every last thing. If an exact copy of that data was able to be stored and transmitted the only way you'd know is when your surroundings changed, assuming an instantaneous transfer. There's no magical "you" that would get lost somehow, you're just chemicals and electricity.
Of course, a computer is just a series of yes/no gates and yet they can create the world we're killing each other in, so I don't mean to diminish the astounding wonder of consciousness. I'm merely pointing out there's no magic involved. The data can be copied and reproduced just as easily as 1's and 0's. What we don't understand is how to transcribe it in to what we would call "data".
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