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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:44:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: I don't see how in the hell this could have ever happened .....its such bullshit.EVE players sending there ALTS millions if not billions of dollars.WTG CCP.
I dont know how many times I said it.An EVE player can do an INCURSION and get "hella Bank" and just give it to his DUST alt's corporation.......lol like you didnt know they were going to do this.
What about the guys that dont have EVE friends yet OR alternate accounts.You know the console players you wanted to bring in to New EDEN.........why fix it now.I was half way into deciding to get an EVE account so I could do the same thing.Isnt that what you want?For me to subscribe?So I can be on an equal footing?
Lol an rectify it?Really ?Damage is already done....Using ISK to recruit people as a sign on bonus.Millions of dollars per player....and whats that to them? A day of mining.
Why dont we just tell the truth.This game is DLC you decided to put on a console.Because you needed manpower.A stand alone DUST player .......even ZITRO will always just be a planet dwelling monkey looking for a hand out.A dust player could never form an empire or even hope to convince a EVE player to take a risk because from what i see.We DUST players will never be equal monetarily.Its just EVE players having minions....damn I shouldve known better.
Why is no one understanding this:
ISK
Doesn't
Matter
If I gave my EVE alt a billion ISK when I first started her, I wouldn't have had anything to spend it on but frigates. Limitless wealth does nothing unless you have the skillpoints to use something worth the money. Right now, it just lets people use lots of militia gear, of which only Dropships are a real threat due to the Swarm Launchers not working properly.
Are you really that worried about someone having unlimited Type-I suits with Militia gear?
Nova Knife wrote:You're forgetting something. It's not like fancy stuff is impossible to kill. And when you kill it, you get more ISK at the end of the match because what you killed was worth much more ISK. So, by killing spacerich people you can become spacerich yourself. This is how it sort of balances itself out.
YES, thank you! |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:18:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Quit whining its not cheating. Are you gonna cry when the big alliances standing armies get a ton of isk in their wallet too? Because most of YOU complained about AUR bought items in Dust and cried for nerfs.Why cuz you were already planning on doing this..........flooding your alt with the best ISK gear so you dont have to pay duel subscription.Pown everyone on console.Why would you want to have a console player be able to go to the market and instantly buy himself AUR and in that very same match Call in his Sigarus and work your ISK tank .You do a simple transfer of 30 million and buy 50 more. What happened to the CASCADE or the STORM SIDE RODEN .You guys wanted it gone because it wasnt and ISK gun.Because you planeed on doing this all along.You think your so ingenious.......When they announced this game 3 years ago I almost created an EVE account that day for this very purpose.You just dont want DUST players to control there own game.That chaps your ass.
Holy **** guys, the tinfoil hat is STRONG with this one. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:37:00 -
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Again, a few months down the line after this game goes live, they're going to start removing the market and transfer restrictions. What you have to realize is that won't be anything like what happened here, because of one simple fact:
Singularity ISK doesn't mean anything.
My Corp members and I got our ISK buying Freighters for 100 ISK (the price of all items in seeded markets) and nuked them with Sieged Dreadnoughts for the full basic insurance payout. We did this for hours and just sent the ISK to our Dust characters.
On Tranquility, the market is everything. Almost anything you can buy in EVE is made and sold by another player, and ISK has the same value in-game as USD or Euros. No one is going to put a billion ISK on a bunch of Dust characters for no reason, maybe not even if it was their own character, because that could potentially screw them over in EVE.
This game is going to become the biggest ISK sink in EVE for several months as we all learn how to work together, and as much as you'll probably see a Dust character with uncountable billions to spend on Prototype gear, I said something to this effect in an earlier post:
The ones with the money are not the PvPers.
When you see those people, gun for them. I guarantee they'll be easy SP and ISK because the people with that kind of money to throw onto a Dust character are going to be the ones that mine and build ships in hi-sec because they're too scared to leave the protective umbrella of CONCORD.
And did you seriously just imply that you were going to just make an EVE character and that would give you that level of ISK? This isn't a game full of billionaires, and you'll only showing your ignorance by thinking you'd get anywhere in our world with and attitude like that. You want that kind of ISK? Show the people contracting you that you deserve it. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:51:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Quit whining its not cheating. Are you gonna cry when the big alliances standing armies get a ton of isk in their wallet too? Because most of YOU complained about AUR bought items in Dust and cried for nerfs.Why cuz you were already planning on doing this..........flooding your alt with the best ISK gear so you dont have to pay duel subscription.Pown everyone on console.Why would you want to have a console player be able to go to the market and instantly buy himself AUR and in that very same match Call in his Sigarus and work your ISK tank .You do a simple transfer of 30 million and buy 50 more. What happened to the CASCADE or the STORM SIDE RODEN .You guys wanted it gone because it wasnt and ISK gun.Because you planeed on doing this all along.You think your so ingenious.......When they announced this game 3 years ago I almost created an EVE account that day for this very purpose.You just dont want DUST players to control there own game.That chaps your ass. Holy **** guys, the tinfoil hat is STRONG with this one. Ok check this out ass hat.Heres some raw statistical values that maybe you can rap your pee brain around.I convinced 4 of my friends to DL and try this game.Im the only one still playing it.Thats 1 in 5.Twenty percent of the people I know that have tried this game continued to play it.The other 75% were potential CCP customers now they are not.The learning curve is high enough.The bugs are bad enough.When the 5 point maps frame rate drops thru the floor and that makes them wreck there dropship.You know the same one it took him forever to afford.Oh wait no you probably dont understand that one.Without people finding ways to make it even more difficult for new players to get into this game. You say its BETA .....fraking beta to be exact.They the 75 % dont fking care if its BETA or not and sure as hell wouldnt even care to come to these forums to argue with you about it.......what dont you get.When they go 2 times negative after playing in a match with 6 tanks.Yeah there gonna keep playing a game like that.You got it buddy.This game isnt just about the EVE player its about EXPANDING THE F8CKING PLAYER BASE.YOU KNOW POPULATING THE GAME. In the 1980's the White House Office of Consumer Affairs commissioned a report called the TARP study. The report revealed the following facts about unhappy customers: * 96% of dissatisfied customers do not complain directly. * 90% will not return. * One unhappy customer will tell nine others. * 13% will tell at least 20 other people" What does that mean to you?You, by doing stupid ****, are effecting CCP's potential customer base.So ask yourself. Are you helping to expand the community ,or do you not even give a F8ck.Like New Eden is exclusive to you.
People deserting a Beta because they don't like playing an unfinished game isn't old. I know a bunch of people I still play Tribes: Ascend with that left en masse back in the early days of the beta because it just wasn't fun, and they came back when it released and they found that the changes made during the testing improved it. Not everyone wants to test a game. Many people just want a finished product to have fun with, and that isn't bad or anything.
What I'm saying is that the ability for a Dust player to have ISK given to them for free seems bad in the context of this server where on the EVE side this ISK doesn't mean anything. ISK has a value on Tranquility, and you aren't going to see Dust characters magically swimming in ISK because of that fact.
What I'm saying is that you are going to have the same opportunity to be rich that any of the rest of us in this game will, because EVE players will be contracting the people who get **** done. Can you get **** done? If so, you're more likely to be the one with all the money that someone with a rich EVE character.
The learning curve is pretty high, and they put in some more tutorial functions and an introductory video in this build to help combat that fact. Also, most players that succeed in EVE join player corporations that train them in all they need to know to succeed. Hell, my Corp is dedicated to training new members, as that's the lifeblood of any military organization whether corporate or national.
There aren't any plots by any of us to turn this game into something we can use to farm people. If you look at the EVE forums, they only people plotting were the stupid ones, and their plans mostly ended up at "nuke them from orbit", which we already know is impossible. Besides, have you forgotten that CCP has already confirmed that Open Market means all AURUM items can be resold for ISK? If anything, you'll be more likely to see EVE players using that as a means to make ISK from Dust, while letting Dust players not have to buy AURUM to get different equipment. Just step back and think reasonably, and you'll see it. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 01:03:00 -
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Overlord Zero wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Quit whining its not cheating. Are you gonna cry when the big alliances standing armies get a ton of isk in their wallet too? Because most of YOU complained about AUR bought items in Dust and cried for nerfs.Why cuz you were already planning on doing this..........flooding your alt with the best ISK gear so you dont have to pay duel subscription.Pown everyone on console.Why would you want to have a console player be able to go to the market and instantly buy himself AUR and in that very same match Call in his Sigarus and work your ISK tank .You do a simple transfer of 30 million and buy 50 more. What happened to the CASCADE or the STORM SIDE RODEN .You guys wanted it gone because it wasnt and ISK gun.Because you planeed on doing this all along.You think your so ingenious.......When they announced this game 3 years ago I almost created an EVE account that day for this very purpose.You just dont want DUST players to control there own game.That chaps your ass. Holy **** guys, the tinfoil hat is STRONG with this one. As crazy as that rant sounds, there are a few valid points to be drawn from it. Quite a few of the EVE players act as if they should be able to dictate the rules and gameplay of Dust, constantly whining about how different the progression system works and such and complaining about anything that prevents them from taking everything they are sitting on in EVE and dropping it into Dust. That would be disastrous to anyone without an EVE account, which will likely be over 80% of the people who play this game. And if that happens, most of them will leave and then Dust will just be a game for EVE players who also happen to have a PS3.
With the way that they've re-balanced the suits and vehicles, all that money won't give them a meaningful advantage unless:
A. They've trained the skills to use a better asset
B. They have the "skill" to actually use it properly
If those two factors are absent, all you have to worry about is having enough ammo to harvest them all for SP and ISK, because that's the only use they'll serve. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 01:37:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: This is a quote(copy and paste) from a recruitment thread"
We will first of all give access to a very solid Corporate Wallet, pretty much pouring ISK into your accounts to stay ahead of the curve and be the best that you can be.
Thats a sign on bonus.How am I going to compete with that.You also are forgetting that you saying that SISI ISK has 0 value means nothing to a noob who has no idea what your talking about.Well say some guy coming from BF3.What you just said means absolutely nothing to him.What he does see is match after match a negative kdr.You also knew Full well that winning the tournament will give you a rare Item/drop. I believe its a Lav of sorts.I havent looked if they canceled the tournament because of what some corps were transferring and therefore have stockpiles of equipment or if they wiped them and its still on.You guys new full well what you were doing you were looking for an advantage.One that you would benefit from.If one person from CCP had to work on correcting this crap you are wasting CCPs human resource that would be better served finishing the game.
Wallets for both Corps and players have already been reset to their pre-integration values, so that's a moot point. I imagine the people with 1000 items will be getting their assets set lower as well to prevent database lag. As well, EVE players are restricted from Singularity, and they aren't going to let us back in until the loophole is plugged, so this will never be an issue again.
The point I was making is that Beta testing isn't for everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 01:44:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
A. They've trained the skills to use a better asset
B. They have the "skill" to actually use it properly
If those two factors are absent, all you have to worry about is having enough ammo to harvest them all for SP and ISK, because that's the only use they'll serve.
Your right Skill books bought with the millions of ISK you did not earn "in Matches".That are now unlocked.
That you still have to gain enough SP to train by killing people, which you can't do if you're incompetent. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 01:55:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
A. They've trained the skills to use a better asset
B. They have the "skill" to actually use it properly
If those two factors are absent, all you have to worry about is having enough ammo to harvest them all for SP and ISK, because that's the only use they'll serve.
Your right Skill books bought with the millions of ISK you did not earn "in Matches".That are now unlocked. That you still have to gain enough SP to train by killing people, which you can't do if you're incompetent. by getting into militia tanks all day long.Because you have the ISK to do that... A player using money to recruit and trying to fast forward your alt by using a (exp) 3 year old account and not having to grind with the rest of us is a clear advantage.
Do you drive militia tanks? I left those behind the first moment I could. At the point where something dies to a single soldier with a militia swarm launcher, its worthless garbage.
And again, you can't fast-forward jack with ISK even if you buy every skillbook there is, which you easily can. The SP gain will remain the same, and the only way to change that is with boosts, which are currently AURUM items, and we aren't entirely sure if you'll be able to resell those for ISK. Anyway you try to present this, you still have just as much of a chance of coming out as the winner.
Overlord Zero wrote:
SP is still the other half of the equation that the rest of us will have to deal with. And there are more ways to get SP than killing. Buy a dropship and fly it around. You and everyone on board gets a 35 WP bonus for each kill. They shoot one down, hey look I still have millions of ISK to buy a nice stock of them! Not to mention front line fighters aren't the only ones who would do it, logistics players get most of their SP from hives, droplinks, revives and hacking. Now, do you really think that makes no difference?
You can still only buy militia vehicles without training the skills for them, and someone with the skills to use non-militia gear will take you down every time. Having seemingly limitless assets won't change anything when you're losing them so rapidly that EVE becomes your only means of funding because no one in their right mind will want you in their Corp. So you bankrupt your EVE character to spam ****** gear on your Dust character? Like I said before, anyone stupid enough to fit that description is just more income for you. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 02:10:00 -
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GaGe AsSeBrKr wrote:The isk you get for one of these pubbie deathmatches in beta is irrelevant. Balancing transfers between Eve players and their dust alts is not needed. When this goes live, if you are good at what you do, spacerich Eve players will be paying you to wreck ****.
Exactly. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 02:15:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Necrodermis wrote:dust players will never be on even footing with EVE pilots.
the point of eve players having pocket dust corps is the point.
one mission can fund a dust player for a while and hell one hour of mining in null sec can fund an dust merc with proto everything for a while.
all i have to say is deal with it, that's the point. This isnt EVE.This is Dust. I buy AUR with money the same as you.This isnt a game of your pod pilot going planet side. and you sure as **** arent going to call me your slave or your personal ass kisser.If thats your attitude your entitled to it.You sir Can go fk yourself.And like my black friend is prone to saying" I aint yo N****r.You got me fkd up".
Don't listen to him, he's as wrong as you are. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 02:26:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Necrodermis wrote:dust players will never be on even footing with EVE pilots.
the point of eve players having pocket dust corps is the point.
one mission can fund a dust player for a while and hell one hour of mining in null sec can fund an dust merc with proto everything for a while.
all i have to say is deal with it, that's the point. This isnt EVE.This is Dust. I buy AUR with money the same as you.This isnt a game of your pod pilot going planet side. and you sure as **** arent going to call me your slave or your personal ass kisser.If thats your attitude your entitled to it.You sir Can go fk yourself.And like my black friend is prone to saying" I aint yo N****r.You got me fkd up". Don't listen to him, he's as wrong as you are. Yeah but bro thats my whole point.This crap/attitude is repeated in post after post in EVE GATE.Leading me to believe that this Is really what you guys think.
This is what a moronic minority of "us" think. The same people that lobbied for Local chat to have a blinking effect that shows whenever anyone comes into a system because they want to be able to mine half afk with no risk. We don't like them anymore than you do. |
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Posted - 2012.10.24 20:31:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:took me 5 days of constant grinding to get 200k :U
Same here with the way the ISK payouts are right now. I only have 1 Madrugar and 4 Gorgon's left, and I'm reluctant to use the latter due to the reports of the new power of Swarms. |
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Posted - 2012.10.26 04:30:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:took me 5 days of constant grinding to get 200k :U I know and thats BS.
LOLOLOLOL BE A PUPPET OF US EVE PLAYERS AND HAVE LIMITLESS FREE ISK LOLOLOLOL |
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