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Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:14:00 -
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Truthfully, this game is more of a MMORPG than a hardcore FPS. In my Opinion.
yes, you play from a first-person perspective. and yes, you shoot guns.
but everything else about Dust is RPG if you look past the fluff promo dev talk and look at the game itself.
Skills that need to be trained in order to fight better, Fittings aka weapon/armor slots, weapons and armor that have clear, visible, and widely varied stats on them.
and so on and so forth. its a matter of perspective. and a MMORPG, not a hardcore shooter, is sitting behind that FPS perspective.
in a competitive, hardcore FPS, none of these things are needed. you grab a gun, pick a loadout, and whoever has the better twitch skills wins. no need to have Rifle Operations 5 trained to use a rifle at maximum efficiency. thats a RPG convention.
IMO this game is a MMORPG with FPS elements. not the other way around. closest comparison I can come up with is Tabula Rasa or if I stretch to single-player games, Fallout 3 or as someone else suggested, Mass Effect.
If they kept everything the exact same, but replaced our guns with magic staves shooting fireballs, it wouldn't be a FPS anymore, would it? it'd be Skyrim Online.
Thats my perspective on the game so far. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:17:00 -
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this sounds exactly like the feedback thread |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:19:00 -
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I think comparing it to Fallout 3 is a bit harsh, considering that's just an RPG with a picture of a FPS tagged onto it >_<
But yes, DUST has strong ties to the MMORPG side, though it does need more in the ways of "Massive", aka, semi to full free roam, and pockets of enemies, loots, etc etc.
I think these people that are getting really upset about the competitive side of DUST (game mechanics aside) will be really happy in 2013 when Arena modes arrive, that should satiate them to some degree. This game is a whole new animal, comparing it to everything else just doesn't do it justice. |
Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:19:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:this sounds exactly like the feedback thread it is. I just expanded on my thoughts a little here.
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VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:22:00 -
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well it is an FPSMMORPG. It is the general concept. my question is do you value the game with those concepts in an fps settin?
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Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:23:00 -
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VK deathslaer wrote:well it is an FPSMMORPG. It is the general concept. my question is do you value the game with those concepts in an fps settin?
well, I thoroughly enjoyed Tabula Rasa before it was shut down, so yes. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:24:00 -
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Tyrus Four wrote:it is. I just expanded on my thoughts a little here.
that's cool
as for my opinion, i feel that this isn't going to be a hard core fps at all. this isn't the original counter strike where everyone has the same potential for everything as soon as the matches start.
and with added modules and meta you can't become super hardcore. if i can plant explosives at a site and some guy thinks he is going to get a easy hack isn't going to be getting that hack off. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:27:00 -
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Except for no V.A.T.S. and wait, you can play Fallout 3 from first person perspective? Weird. I always went with third person point of view.
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VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:34:00 -
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well thats that's great I mean as the game is different by virtue of what it is. No one can really peg it close to anything I personally think it should be released on a console as players arent used to playing this way.
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Talruum Tezztarozza
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:48:00 -
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I also think that compare Dust514 to Fallout3 would be abit too harsh. There is nothing FPS about that game (none that I can feel when I played anyway).
I believe Dust closest relative would be Borderland series. A shooter with skill tree, A gun with stat, Tons of equipment to choose from, a long gunfight with big HP pool. Yet there is no pause nor aim assist, you still need to dance and rely on your aim to land those uber dmg stat of yours. Still, if you venture somewhere you shouldn't enemy will outleveled you even you headshot them you will only do 1 dmg. |
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:30:00 -
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Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:I also think that compare Dust514 to Fallout3 would be abit too harsh. There is nothing FPS about that game (none that I can feel when I played anyway).
I believe Dust closest relative would be Borderland series. A shooter with skill tree, A gun with stat, Tons of equipment to choose from, a long gunfight with big HP pool. Yet there is no pause nor aim assist, you still need to dance and rely on your aim to land those uber dmg stat of yours. Still, if you venture somewhere you shouldn't enemy will outleveled you even you headshot them you will only do 1 dmg.
FO3 didn't feel FPS to you? We're you playing it on first person view without using V.A.T.S.? Playing this way, that's all it was was FPS with skills that refined combat abilities. But no, Dust isn't FO3 and it's not CoD and it's not Boarderlands. It's it's own game and I actually like it's differences. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:53:00 -
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Dust is as much a FPS as FO3 ?
Let's be serious for a minute.... |
Talruum Tezztarozza
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:56:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:
FO3 didn't feel FPS to you? We're you playing it on first person view without using V.A.T.S.? Playing this way, that's all it was was FPS with skills that refined combat abilities. But no, Dust isn't FO3 and it's not CoD and it's not Boarderlands. It's it's own game and I actually like it's differences.
I did play FO3 in 1st person view (because 3rd person view is very wanky) but I alway use V.A.T.S. and pause all the time. So yea, I played it like a RPG that's why it's not FPSish to me at all lol. I always utilize all the tools the game have to offer. I believe that's how Dev want their game to be played.
But you are right, Dust514 is its own game not any other game. It's just that ppl keep saying CoD this Halo that and saying that CCP should look at what make other game success and adapt them to their own game. I believe if CCP gonna look somewhere they should look at Borderland which IMO they shouldn't. Dust514 is fine the way it is. It doesn't need to be like other game and I love it for that.
It is "Adapt or Die" here. |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.10.15 17:41:00 -
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Mass Effect is another good comparison.
I agree. This is an MMO with an FPS combat system. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:19:00 -
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i thought that was the point of the game... more rpg, more choices.
tabula rasa was dope. this feels a lil like it, not much but a lil. weapons skilling feels similar.
what's wrong with rpg elements in a fps?
Peace B |
Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:41:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:i thought that was the point of the game... more rpg, more choices.
tabula rasa was dope. this feels a lil like it, not much but a lil. weapons skilling feels similar.
what's wrong with rpg elements in a fps?
Peace B
Nothing is wrong with it at all.
Dust is a lot more than just "rpg elements in a FPS", that was my point.
It's more like FPS elements in a RPG. and there is nothing wrong with that either. in fact, that is what i expected this game to be.
A lot of people I think, expected it to be a Competitive Pure FPS with rpg elements type deal, and its not quite that.
the guy who said Mass effect, yeah thats a much better example of what I meant than Fallout 3 was. Kudos. In fact, I am changing my OP to reflect it. |
Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:45:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Dust is as much a FPS as FO3 ? Let's be serious for a minute....
you read the thread title, and the thread starter's name and immediately came to post a belittlement without reading the OP, just because it was me. if it were any other poster you would have at least read the first post before making yours.
yeah, Fallout 3 wasn't the best example. Mass Effect was.
but I was exhausted from 5-day consecutive 12 hour work shifts, and my brain wasn't working 100% at the time. my bad. |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:48:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:i thought that was the point of the game... more rpg, more choices.
tabula rasa was dope. this feels a lil like it, not much but a lil. weapons skilling feels similar.
what's wrong with rpg elements in a fps?
Peace B His point is that it's an RPG with FPS elements, not the other way around.
I don't think anyone thinks it's a bad thing except for the leet e-peen warriors who talk about "skill" and "gun game" all the time and who play games just to make themselves feel superior to others without as much "skill" and "gun game". From what I can gather, too many RPG elements get in the way of them showing off their "skill" and "gun game". |
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.10.15 21:47:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Tyrus Four wrote:it is. I just expanded on my thoughts a little here.
that's cool as for my opinion, i feel that this isn't going to be a hard core fps at all. this isn't the original counter strike where everyone has the same potential for everything as soon as the matches start. and with added modules and meta you can't become super hardcore. if i can plant explosives at a site and some guy thinks he is going to get a easy hack isn't going to be getting that hack off.
This will be a hardcore FPS in terms of teamwork, other games overly emphasize individual skills and there are just barebone tactics when it comes to team coordination.
A lot different on this game so far, and saying it wont be hardcore is ridiculous, just knowing the record and plans CCP has for this game.
There will be/is:
- alliance tournaments for the game... screams hardcore, moreso then most games on the market today.
- Corp battles (Most dont have this, and its already in beta in a 'bare bone' form)
- Territorial control
- Politics
- Resource management
- (insert more here)
My one issue, (and i dont want to veer this thread in this direction, just stating on the topic of hardcore/competitive gaming) is that strafe speed is a bit low, negating individual skill a bit too much i feel. But still improvements and implementations CCP has done has definitely turned my clan (who were mostly skeptics) into hopefuls. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:36:00 -
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Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:
FO3 didn't feel FPS to you? We're you playing it on first person view without using V.A.T.S.? Playing this way, that's all it was was FPS with skills that refined combat abilities. But no, Dust isn't FO3 and it's not CoD and it's not Boarderlands. It's it's own game and I actually like it's differences.
I did play FO3 in 1st person view (because 3rd person view is very wanky) but I alway use V.A.T.S. and pause all the time. So yea, I played it like a RPG that's why it's not FPSish to me at all lol. I always utilize all the tools the game have to offer. I believe that's how Dev want their game to be played. But you are right, Dust514 is its own game not any other game. It's just that ppl keep saying CoD this Halo that and saying that CCP should look at what make other game success and adapt them to their own game. I believe if CCP gonna look somewhere they should look at Borderland which IMO they shouldn't. Dust514 is fine the way it is. It doesn't need to be like other game and I love it for that. It is "Adapt or Die" here.
I agree with using the tools available. (Action Boy and Death's Sprint fan here). Iw as just saying you could have played FO3 in a FPS style.
Like you, I get frustrated at the people whining about how Dust isn't a CoD/Halo/insert game here clone. I'm extremely happy it's not. Sure it needs work but that's why we're here playing the beta. But we, the intellectual reasonable players remember that and try to be constructive. Something else I also appreciate. |
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crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:10:00 -
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VK deathslaer wrote:well it is an FPSMMORPG. It is the general concept. my question is do you value the game with those concepts in an fps settin?
think of this way dust will have
A.Quick match
B.Factinal warfare, fight over real planets with friendly fire on. Muliple battles going on at once. Maybe only 64v 64 per map,, but all 400 of your players are in battle somewhere on the planet.
C.Arena fights 1v1s, squad v squad, air only, tank only matches. Capture the flag, snipers only. You name it, dust will let us build an arena for it. Then to make a profit you have to make sure your fights are exciting. Since both dust and eve players will have the ability to bet on these matches. Devs words not mine. This makes dust 3 games in one.
Oh I forgot one, Racing. There is already a dust Racing league forming up. With checkpoints and judges. Combat allowed, you get someone in the gunner seat.
The way I se it, we have allready done this during beta, so once we have aernas, we can have people bet on racing. Whole corps could form up around it.
This is eve son, sandbox aglore. And CCP is somehow going to attempt to make this the 1st true sandbox fps. I think it'll take them 3-4 years to achieve it, but Arenas at least are coming in 2013.
Also once maps get bigger and jets are put in the game you better be expecting jet fight racing as well. Yes with weapons. : ) If you get knocked out you have to call in another jet :P Like mario cart. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:12:00 -
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Tyrus Four wrote:Truthfully, this game is more of a MMORPG than a hardcore FPS. In my Opinion.
yes, you play from a first-person perspective. and yes, you shoot guns.
but everything else about Dust is RPG if you look past the fluff promo dev talk and look at the game itself.
Skills that need to be trained in order to fight better, Fittings aka weapon/armor slots, weapons and armor that have clear, visible, and widely varied stats on them.
and so on and so forth. its a matter of perspective. and a MMORPG, not a hardcore shooter, is sitting behind that FPS perspective.
in a competitive, hardcore FPS, none of these things are needed. you grab a gun, pick a loadout, and whoever has the better twitch skills wins. no need to have Rifle Operations 5 trained to use a rifle at maximum efficiency. thats a RPG convention.
IMO this game is a MMORPG with FPS elements. not the other way around. closest comparison I can come up with is Tabula Rasa or if I stretch to single-player games, Fallout 3 or as someone else suggested, Mass Effect.
If they kept everything the exact same, but replaced our guns with magic staves shooting fireballs, it wouldn't be a FPS anymore, would it? it'd be Skyrim Online.
Thats my perspective on the game so far.
Correction: Dust 514 is like Mass Effect "1", the sequels received drastic changes. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:38:00 -
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If you're shooting guns at people in first person perspective, it's a FPS. The rest of the OP is just balking at the game not being the kind of FPS he apparently wants it to be. Well, there are other games out there which are "hardcore shooters", where everything is egalitarian and the only thing that matters is player skill. Dust isn't that, never advertised itself as that, and will never become that. So either learn to like Dust for what it is or find a new FPS. |
Tyrus Four
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Posted - 2012.10.16 03:35:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:If you're shooting guns at people in first person perspective, it's a FPS. The rest of the OP is just balking at the game not being the kind of FPS he apparently wants it to be.[ Well, there are other games out there which are "hardcore shooters", where everything is egalitarian and the only thing that matters is player skill. Dust isn't that, never advertised itself as that, and will never become that. So either learn to like Dust for what it is or find a new FPS.
if that is what you got from my thread, then you haven't read anything in it.
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VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
149
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Posted - 2012.10.16 03:46:00 -
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Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:
FO3 didn't feel FPS to you? We're you playing it on first person view without using V.A.T.S.? Playing this way, that's all it was was FPS with skills that refined combat abilities. But no, Dust isn't FO3 and it's not CoD and it's not Boarderlands. It's it's own game and I actually like it's differences.
I did play FO3 in 1st person view (because 3rd person view is very wanky) but I alway use V.A.T.S. and pause all the time. So yea, I played it like a RPG that's why it's not FPSish to me at all lol. I always utilize all the tools the game have to offer. I believe that's how Dev want their game to be played. But you are right, Dust514 is its own game not any other game. It's just that ppl keep saying CoD this Halo that and saying that CCP should look at what make other game success and adapt them to their own game. I believe if CCP gonna look somewhere they should look at Borderland which IMO they shouldn't. Dust514 is fine the way it is. It doesn't need to be like other game and I love it for that. It is "Adapt or Die" here.
+1 the eve universe is about said adaptability and garners the phrase ( harden the **** up htfu) |
Talruum Tezztarozza
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.16 03:56:00 -
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Oh wait, since when did this thread title change ?? lol
But yea, Mass effect "1" is a lot better comparison here. |
VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
149
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Posted - 2012.10.16 04:05:00 -
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I feel that ppl arent going to like the GÇ¥deep endGÇ¥ of the pool. as what other game offers u to take territories from real players? I mean lets face it console players and some pc players arent conditioned to the depth and scope of what this game has to offer.this game is a niche game for a limited player base.and when the next halo, cod, or bf comes out swaths of players will lead a mass exodus. the persistance of the game will have some players come back but others will be less then enthralled. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.10.16 04:36:00 -
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Tyrus Four wrote:Truthfully, this game is more of a MMORPG than a hardcore FPS. In my Opinion.
yes, you play from a first-person perspective. and yes, you shoot guns.
but everything else about Dust is RPG if you look past the fluff promo dev talk and look at the game itself.
Skills that need to be trained in order to fight better, Fittings aka weapon/armor slots, weapons and armor that have clear, visible, and widely varied stats on them.
and so on and so forth. its a matter of perspective. and a MMORPG, not a hardcore shooter, is sitting behind that FPS perspective.
in a competitive, hardcore FPS, none of these things are needed. you grab a gun, pick a loadout, and whoever has the better twitch skills wins. no need to have Rifle Operations 5 trained to use a rifle at maximum efficiency. thats a RPG convention.
IMO this game is a MMORPG with FPS elements. not the other way around. closest comparison I can come up with is Tabula Rasa or if I stretch to single-player games, Fallout 3 or as someone else suggested, Mass Effect.
If they kept everything the exact same, but replaced our guns with magic staves shooting fireballs, it wouldn't be a FPS anymore, would it? it'd be Skyrim Online.
Thats my perspective on the game so far.
Well AFAIK it's billed as a MMOFPS so it's not a surprise that it has a MMO feel to it. Honestly ME3 is only an RPG in the most tepid gear farming sense (it's closer to a dungeon crawling adventure game, but if I go into all that I'll drift off topic). Coming from a long time RPG player ME3 is far more of an FPS than an RPG.
That being said however Dust is more of an RPG than ME3 (considering it's set in New Eden) and even mechanically it has more custom options (beyond direct gear choice).
So yes I think that Dust has more RPG elements than a pure FPS would, but considering the MMO part of Dusts billing I'm not at all surprised by this. Dust is what it claims to be, a MMOFPS.
My 0.02 ISK Cross |
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