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Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:25:00 -
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ZionTCD is throwing out a number of (Expedition) Corp Battle Contracts ranging through a variety of times of each day this week. This is to help jump start the Corp Battles, allow teams to train, provide CCP needed feedback on the system and promote good fights all around. Most of these Battles will only hold 100k Collateral and will contain a verity of ZionTCD members (most rosters will not be the exact same each time) We will hold some 1-5 mill contract based on the strength of the team. So will win some and lose some
Please be sure to stop in here and throw up a report if you take any of our guys on. Thanks for all that participate.
ZionTCD CEO, ZionShad
NOTE: The time on Contracts is Game Time. CCP should provide a clock in the near future. On occasion Squad leaders are ether not brought in to game or they are first to lag out. No SP is awarded during Corp Battles and team sizes are only 8v8 (which some maps are just too large for an 8 man team). If a member of your corp jumps in by himself without permission, it can deny an entire squad from entering a battle. Once a battle starts, No one else may enter even if team are un even. All other feedback such as this is welcome. If a member of your corp jumps in by him self with out purmission
Battle Royale |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:29:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:As soon as a corporation accepts an Attack contract the matching defense contract will appear for everyone else. The filters set a minimum value for time / reward so it will show a limited number of results above that value.
Once both sides have accepted a contract, an 8 v 8 skirmish battle will start at the scheduled time and will only be available to those 2 corporations. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:30:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:As soon as a corporation accepts an Attack contract the matching defense contract will appear for everyone else. The filters set a minimum value for time / reward so it will show a limited number of results above that value.
Once both sides have accepted a contract, an 8 v 8 skirmish battle will start at the scheduled time and will only be available to those 2 corporations. Sounds like fun! Hope I can get in a battle against you guys. I heard in C3 that you're damn good. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:54:00 -
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Some days. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2012.10.09 05:57:00 -
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A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle
Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad.
Any thoughts or comments on this? |
Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.10.09 06:03:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this? i was just thinking about something like this. i dont disagree with it, but i can see how it could ruin a pure CvC. maybe CCP could have an option in the contract that states everyone has to be of the same corp. otherwise, wouldn't this be paying other corps to fight for you?
edit: if there is no fix then it could be possible to take up another corp members spot in a battle, i see how a corp could get upset that a spot went to another corporations member. easily done with the current 8v8 |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.09 06:10:00 -
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I agree Ima Leet Plus 1 Bro |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.09 06:12:00 -
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hmmmm maybe non corp members can't get squad bonus points? i don't know |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2012.10.09 06:18:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this?
I do not like this as a possibility.
It prevents alternative ways of fighting, such as attacking when a corp doesn't have a lot of members online (such as at awkward hours when everyone's asleep), or attacking more territory than a corp can defend. As much as I think those are cheap tactics, I also consider them legitimate. I don't, however, see bringing in another corp to fight with/for you as legitimate, and think that should be prevented if at all possible.
If they want to allow this in an alternative style of contract, I'd be fine, but the idea of "corp battle" to me means between the 2 corps and nobody else. |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.10.09 07:08:00 -
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crazy space wrote:hmmmm maybe non corp members can't get squad bonus points? i don't know
Theres no SP in Corp Battles. |
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The 86
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.10.09 07:14:00 -
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STB WILL BRING YOU ALL PAIN |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
106
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:50:00 -
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Ima Leet wrote:Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this? i was just thinking about something like this. i dont disagree with it, but i can see how it could ruin a pure CvC. maybe CCP could have an option in the contract that states everyone has to be of the same corp. otherwise, wouldn't this be paying other corps to fight for you? edit: if there is no fix then it could be possible to take up another corp members spot in a battle, i see how a corp could get upset that a spot went to another corporations member. easily done with the current 8v8 They're mercenary contracts, not clan matches. Subcontracting is perfectly valid.
If someone else wants to join in, that should be entirely between that person and whichever corp accepted the contract. "Mercenary" is not just another word for "soldier" in EVE/DUST. It's actually just what it sounds like: someone who gets paid to fight for someone else and there is tons of precedent for this in EVE.
A lot of you still don't get it and still have this FPS clan match mentality. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.09 09:17:00 -
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Once they reduce the Maps down to 3-4 points for these 8 v8 then should be good fun. |
SoLJae
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
351
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:44:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this?
Shad, I recommend that we keep the contracts "pure" corp sides. It's for training purposes after all and we need to find out what we got without diluting the end goal.
Just my 2 cents and regardless of how you end up implementing them, my hat's off to ya for getting things rolling.
We won't learn and grow as a corp, if we don't participate early and often as one.
Go Zion TCD! |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:22:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Ima Leet wrote:Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this? i was just thinking about something like this. i dont disagree with it, but i can see how it could ruin a pure CvC. maybe CCP could have an option in the contract that states everyone has to be of the same corp. otherwise, wouldn't this be paying other corps to fight for you? edit: if there is no fix then it could be possible to take up another corp members spot in a battle, i see how a corp could get upset that a spot went to another corporations member. easily done with the current 8v8 They're mercenary contracts, not clan matches. Subcontracting is perfectly valid. If someone else wants to join in, that should be entirely between that person and whichever corp accepted the contract. "Mercenary" is not just another word for "soldier" in EVE/DUST. It's actually just what it sounds like: someone who gets paid to fight for someone else and there is tons of precedent for this in EVE. A lot of you still don't get it and still have this FPS clan match mentality.
I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm not in-game to check if they rearranged the tabs in the battle finder, but I'm pretty sure the corp battles show up under the Corporation tab, not the Mercenary one. |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
202
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:42:00 -
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Right now, with the corp sized bug rearing its ugly head again at 151, I like being able to bring non-corp mates. I queued my squad, with one non-corp guy, and he was able to play with us. He has applied and has been playing with Zion the last week, but we simply can't accept his app.
Now, for these smaller corp v corp matches that are like this, rather than the eventual matches in low and null sec over assets, for bragging rights I feel they should be corp v corp only. But we are mercs, and mercs will hire other mercs. Once the real warfare begins sub contracting is and should be totally legit. Maybe corps won't lke it, but all you have to do is hire the best team later. |
Tal Yamin
BetaMax.
7
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:53:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Ima Leet wrote:Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this? i was just thinking about something like this. i dont disagree with it, but i can see how it could ruin a pure CvC. maybe CCP could have an option in the contract that states everyone has to be of the same corp. otherwise, wouldn't this be paying other corps to fight for you? edit: if there is no fix then it could be possible to take up another corp members spot in a battle, i see how a corp could get upset that a spot went to another corporations member. easily done with the current 8v8 They're mercenary contracts, not clan matches. Subcontracting is perfectly valid. If someone else wants to join in, that should be entirely between that person and whichever corp accepted the contract. "Mercenary" is not just another word for "soldier" in EVE/DUST. It's actually just what it sounds like: someone who gets paid to fight for someone else and there is tons of precedent for this in EVE. A lot of you still don't get it and still have this FPS clan match mentality. The problem here is that if corp battles aren't locked to corp members you won't know who you're fighting when contracts go out. Imagine the scenario where a skeleton shell corporation is set up each time to act as a front. The front squad leader(s) possibly using an alt then brings in his real corp members from Zion/Betamax/STB/"your corp name goes here" and kick the kittens out of you.
Your nice safe looking contract with a no name corp you were feeling confident about gets steamrollered!
Interesting play angle, but wouldn't most self respecting corps want to put their name out there, not hide behind shill corps? |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
106
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:24:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Ima Leet wrote:Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this? i was just thinking about something like this. i dont disagree with it, but i can see how it could ruin a pure CvC. maybe CCP could have an option in the contract that states everyone has to be of the same corp. otherwise, wouldn't this be paying other corps to fight for you? edit: if there is no fix then it could be possible to take up another corp members spot in a battle, i see how a corp could get upset that a spot went to another corporations member. easily done with the current 8v8 They're mercenary contracts, not clan matches. Subcontracting is perfectly valid. If someone else wants to join in, that should be entirely between that person and whichever corp accepted the contract. "Mercenary" is not just another word for "soldier" in EVE/DUST. It's actually just what it sounds like: someone who gets paid to fight for someone else and there is tons of precedent for this in EVE. A lot of you still don't get it and still have this FPS clan match mentality. I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm not in-game to check if they rearranged the tabs in the battle finder, but I'm pretty sure the corp battles show up under the Corporation tab, not the Mercenary one. It's still a mercenary contract, it's just going to a whole corp instead of individuals. I believe it even lists who hired the corp and that's who pays you and who you pay collateral to. |
Naturi Riclenore
BetaMax.
120
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:28:00 -
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Tal Yamin wrote: The problem here is that if corp battles aren't locked to corp members you won't know who you're fighting when contracts go out. Imagine the scenario where a skeleton shell corporation is set up each time to act as a front. The front squad leader(s) possibly using an alt then brings in his real corp members from Zion/Betamax/STB/"your corp name goes here" and kick the kittens out of you.
Your nice safe looking contract with a no name corp you were feeling confident about gets steamrollered!
Interesting play angle, but wouldn't most self respecting corps want to put their name out there, not hide behind shill corps?
That's how the EVE Universe works. Who ever said your contract was "nice and safe looking?" You never know what to expect with FW. And the scenario you mentioned, it's called.... A TRAP. Not to mention, you can double-cross your corp if you so choose.
Rebember we are MERCENARIES FOR HIRE. We are not obligated to stick with just 1 corp if we don't want to. Maybe CorpA is wanting to get some defectors from CorpB so a contract is setup with the defectors so that they will get say, 75% of the cut if they win. Some people may take (esp if the match is a high ISK match). Then when the battle starts, CorpB see's their own members on the opposing team.. Imagine the looks on their faces.
not saying that is something that will happen ALL the time, but you can be sure it will happen at some point. Remember, we are fighting for control of planet resources and districs in these wars, so anything is bound to happen.
I can also choose not to join a Corp, and just be a Merc for hire 24/7. need an extra Merc. I'll help you, for a fee :D The design of the system is consistent with the EVE Universe. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:39:00 -
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Tal Yamin wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Ima Leet wrote:Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this? i was just thinking about something like this. i dont disagree with it, but i can see how it could ruin a pure CvC. maybe CCP could have an option in the contract that states everyone has to be of the same corp. otherwise, wouldn't this be paying other corps to fight for you? edit: if there is no fix then it could be possible to take up another corp members spot in a battle, i see how a corp could get upset that a spot went to another corporations member. easily done with the current 8v8 They're mercenary contracts, not clan matches. Subcontracting is perfectly valid. If someone else wants to join in, that should be entirely between that person and whichever corp accepted the contract. "Mercenary" is not just another word for "soldier" in EVE/DUST. It's actually just what it sounds like: someone who gets paid to fight for someone else and there is tons of precedent for this in EVE. A lot of you still don't get it and still have this FPS clan match mentality. The problem here is that if corp battles aren't locked to corp members you won't know who you're fighting when contracts go out. Imagine the scenario where a skeleton shell corporation is set up each time to act as a front. The front squad leader(s) possibly using an alt then brings in his real corp members from Zion/Betamax/STB/"your corp name goes here" and kick the kittens out of you. Your nice safe looking contract with a no name corp you were feeling confident about gets steamrollered! Interesting play angle, but wouldn't most self respecting corps want to put their name out there, not hide behind shill corps?
I dunno. For my money a self-respecting merc corp is there to win the contract and satisfy their customer. Its not about pride, its about business. I prefer honest business to shady business, but I don't think there's anything wrong with a corp reaching out and tapping their network(which they built based on good relations and honest dealings) to acheive their goals.
One thing is for sure, this is going to be one hella interesting ride, and for sure nothing like standard fps clan matches. |
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Grezkev
The Red Guards
100
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Posted - 2012.10.09 18:57:00 -
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Battles should also be reported
http://gnn.enjin.com/contact |
Tal Yamin
BetaMax.
7
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Posted - 2012.10.09 19:52:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:
I dunno. For my money a self-respecting merc corp is there to win the contract and satisfy their customer. Its not about pride, its about business. I prefer honest business to shady business, but I don't think there's anything wrong with a corp reaching out and tapping their network(which they built based on good relations and honest dealings) to acheive their goals.
One thing is for sure, this is going to be one hella interesting ride, and for sure nothing like standard fps clan matches.
You're absolutely right. Business is business. Both honest & shady forms will take place and each corp will soon find its place in the standings for honesty & dependability, or downright shadyness! When I got to the end of my previous post it dawned on me how restrictive rules and dictates from CCP would be. This can go any way we want to take it, and some people will try to support us, others will be subversive. That's kinda why we're all here, it's fun.
Sub-contracting, trap/ambush shill contracts, defectors or just straight down the line business it WILL be one hell of an interesting ride and I too am looking forward to watching it all fall into place. |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
106
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Posted - 2012.10.09 21:52:00 -
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I was a mercenary for a while in EVE. Keep in mind that mercenary corps live and die by their reputation. If a corporation has a reputation for getting the job done, being discreet when necessary, and just being generally professional, they'll get more contracts and more lucrative ones.
Most contracts were secret arrangements, so our CEO never revealed who hired us or why, but we were rarely bored and we were paid well, which is about all a merc can ask for. |
Rayan Storm
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
358
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Posted - 2012.10.09 22:57:00 -
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Im down with this....on the weekends haha |
Wintars Boar
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
64
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Posted - 2012.10.09 23:06:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Zion Shad wrote:A Squad leader of a corp that has taken on a Corp Contract CAN bring in players belonging to different Corporation that are in his squad at the time to a Corp Battle Example: We had a corp ZionTCD v No Name and we were able to bring a meber of Betamax in with one of our squad. Any thoughts or comments on this? I do not like this as a possibility. It prevents alternative ways of fighting, such as attacking when a corp doesn't have a lot of members online (such as at awkward hours when everyone's asleep), or attacking more territory than a corp can defend. As much as I think those are cheap tactics, I also consider them legitimate. I don't, however, see bringing in another corp to fight with/for you as legitimate, and think that should be prevented if at all possible. If they want to allow this in an alternative style of contract, I'd be fine, but the idea of "corp battle" to me means between the 2 corps and nobody else.
My only counter to this would be mercenary corps. If your corp has a low population compared to opponent you can hire a squad from X merc corp to bolster your numbers. |
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