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Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:47:00 - [1] - Quote I cap objectives, kill people, and give ammo. But i never make more than 23k isk a round. I'm not sure about you guys but i cant afford fittings anymore and am stuck using the presets. Can anyone help me?
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:49:00 - [2] - Quote The amount of ISK you get depends on how long you spend on the battlefield and how much you help your team.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:51:00 - [3] - Quote Not totally sure on the mechanics of isk, but i've noticed that i get a lot more isk when i kill a lot of expensive stuff, killing a lot of AUR suits and weapons seems to increase the amount i earn, also join squads and run with people that use the orders properly, that will increase the amount of WP you earn and i believe that affects the isk earnt as well.
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:52:00 - [4] - Quote I play full matches and cap bases. Define help.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 583	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:54:00 - [5] - Quote SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money.
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:56:00 - [6] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Not totally sure on the mechanics of isk, but i've noticed that i get a lot more isk when i kill a lot of expensive stuff, killing a lot of AUR suits and weapons seems to increase the amount i earn, also join squads and run with people that use the orders properly, that will increase the amount of WP you earn and i believe that affects the isk earnt as well. Well i will have to try that. most of the time i'm stuck with people with no mic and don't give orders, or no squad at all.
BlacMage Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 59	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:57:00 - [7] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. This. Plus the more you play the less you will earn, so if you do not get a lot in your first few matches becaise of length or WP earned then your later matchs will be capped low even if you do well until you take a break from play.
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:57:00 - [8] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff.
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:59:00 - [9] - Quote BlacMage wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. This. Plus the more you play the less you will earn, so if you do not get a lot in your first few matches becaise of length or WP earned than you later matchs will be capped low even if you do well until you take a break from play. Wellp, I'm screwed. iv played a total of 7 matches and lost each one horribly. how long dose the break have to be?
Sir Petersen Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:00:00 - [10] - Quote The game is broken at the moment. Impossible to play like this. Not enough ISK. Not even close..

aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:02:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off SP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. It's possible to kill good players with basic equipment. That's what I do to save money. Practice makes you perfect.
BlacMage Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 59	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:05:00 - [12] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. No kidding... Your best bet it to specialize in both a combat and support role. It does not have to be very indepth, just something as simple as nanohives, hacking, or uplinks. If you plan on mostly combat just choose one (nanohives a great choice for assualt class) as just one will help you gain WP even if you get low or no kills.
Sir Petersen Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:08:00 - [13] - Quote aden slayer wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off SP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. It's possible to kill good players with basic equipment. That's what I do to save money. Practice makes you perfect. Possible yes. Boring and unfair yes. What is the use of having a system where you are suppose to build your player to make him stronger but you cant because you are not earning close to enough for his equipment? Who wants that??
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:19:00 - [14] - Quote Are you sure that ISK reward is calculated based on whom you kill? I'm not sure they have implemented this yet. Also, Total ISK reward as shown at the end of a match consist of Loot and Contract. Loot is 0 every time. I'm starting to think that ISK reward depends only on the following things at the moment: 1) How long you play a match 2) Whether you win or lose 3) Your %WP from total WP earned by your team
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:23:00 - [15] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: aden slayer wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off SP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. It's possible to kill good players with basic equipment. That's what I do to save money. Practice makes you perfect. Possible yes. Boring and unfair yes. What is the use of having a system where you are suppose to build your player to make him stronger but you cant because you are not earning close to enough for his equipment? Who wants that?? This game is reaching it's true difficultly where win and lose does matter. Adapt or die trying. Welcome to the EVE universe.
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:25:00 - [16] - Quote BlacMage wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. No kidding... Your best bet it to specialize in both a combat and support role. It does not have to be very indepth, just something as simple as nanohives, hacking, or uplinks. If you plan on mostly combat just choose one (nanohives a great choice for assualt class) as just one will help you gain WP even if you get low or no kills. I would like to be a heavy. Those dreams were crushed by how much they cost and how little you can equip on them. Plus they don't have an equipment slot. Any advice on what weapons i should spec in?
Sir Petersen Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:53:00 - [17] - Quote aden slayer wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: aden slayer wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off SP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. It's possible to kill good players with basic equipment. That's what I do to save money. Practice makes you perfect. Possible yes. Boring and unfair yes. What is the use of having a system where you are suppose to build your player to make him stronger but you cant because you are not earning close to enough for his equipment? Who wants that?? This game is reaching it's true difficultly where win and lose does matter. Adapt or die trying. Welcome to the EVE universe. No. You see.. It does not matter at the moment if I win or lose. I-¦m far of in earning enough to build up my character. Winning every game for me is not close to enough. Spending real cash will obviously do but there is no way on earth I will spend my hard earned cash on equipment that goes away. I-¦m not paying $ every time I get killed. I might possibly spend some cash on permanent Weapons/gear. So what now?
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.05 08:55:00 - [18] - Quote Skinweave heavy ZERO ISK. Forge gun to kill RDVs. Plenty of ISK.
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:05:00 - [19] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Skinweave heavy ZERO ISK. Forge gun to kill RDVs. Plenty of ISK. I don't have a skinweave suit.
BlacMage Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 59	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:10:00 - [20] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: BlacMage wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. No kidding... Your best bet it to specialize in both a combat and support role. It does not have to be very indepth, just something as simple as nanohives, hacking, or uplinks. If you plan on mostly combat just choose one (nanohives a great choice for assualt class) as just one will help you gain WP even if you get low or no kills. I would like to be a heavy. Those dreams were crushed by how much they cost and how little you can equip on them. Plus they don't have an equipment slot. Any advice on what weapons i should spec in? That is a hard question to answer. HMGs are buffed higher in this build, but like you said it will take a while to build that isk up. Put points into weaponry (it will damage buff all weapons) until you pick out a weapon you like and points into Mechanic as this unlocks great armour mods (which is life blood of heavies) and will passive buff all armour HP by percent; which will benefit heavies the most. This will also unlock remote repair that you can use to gain more isk while building up enough money to support your heavy. You will have to stick to assault suits for now, as the only freebies, but since they are free all isk gained will be isk saved. Good luck and God speed.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:24:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Skinweave heavy ZERO ISK. Forge gun to kill RDVs. Plenty of ISK. I don't have a skinweave suit. Heavy starter fit zero isk. Replace SL with forge gun. Hunt RDVs.
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:58:00 - [22] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Skinweave heavy ZERO ISK. Forge gun to kill RDVs. Plenty of ISK. I don't have a skinweave suit. Heavy starter fit zero isk. Replace SL with forge gun. Hunt RDVs. There is no heavy starter suit :l
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC The Omega Industries 32	Posted - 2012.10.05 10:13:00 - [23] - Quote No... 100% confirming something is fracken wrong, I did everything I heard here, killed people with aur high level dropsuits with my tier 2 sniper rifle, and no militia stuff on me. Also 3-4 shots to 4 people in heavy, they were definitely wearing high lvl stuff.. I even hacked 2 null canons I got 100 pints from them, hacked resupply points and clone reactivation units,.. At the end of the battle I thought " what a great game for me"... 4000k SP 38k ISK. .. WHAT THE HECK.....
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.05 10:29:00 - [24] - Quote After grinding a bit when I got home I switched to a character who I hadn't earned any skill points on yet this week & noticed substantially increased ISK gains overall. Looks like the weekly SP cap may possibly affect ISK to. No word as to whether this is intentional or incidental.
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2012.10.05 10:32:00 - [25] - Quote Joey-Number1 wrote: No... 100% confirming something is fracken wrong, I did everything I heard here, killed people with aur high level dropsuits with my tier 2 sniper rifle, and no militia stuff on me. Also 3-4 shots to 4 people in heavy, they were definitely wearing high lvl stuff.. I even hacked 2 null canons I got 100 pints from them, hacked resupply points and clone reactivation units,.. At the end of the battle I thought " what a great game for me"... 4000k SP 38k ISK. .. WHAT THE HECK..... This is the most frustrating thing I'd say. You can't predict your ISK reward. In some game you slack and get 50-60k. In next game you do extremely well and get ~20k. I'm talking about matches played from the start, for those of you who would like to mention that ISK reward depends on when you joined a match.
Sir Petersen Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.10.05 12:11:00 - [26] - Quote Joey-Number1 wrote: No... 100% confirming something is fracken wrong, I did everything I heard here, killed people with aur high level dropsuits with my tier 2 sniper rifle, and no militia stuff on me. Also 3-4 shots to 4 people in heavy, they were definitely wearing high lvl stuff.. I even hacked 2 null canons I got 100 pints from them, hacked resupply points and clone reactivation units,.. At the end of the battle I thought " what a great game for me"... 4000k SP 38k ISK. .. WHAT THE HECK..... Yeah man.. how can you enjoy building and shooting like this? I for one don-¦t..
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 583	Posted - 2012.10.08 09:08:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. I run 100% Militia Fits and still have a positive KDR in most matches, so its entirely possible to kill people with better gear. Generally speaking (as far as weapons go), Prototype only has a 20% advantage over Militia in terms of damage, so whatever advantage people have is far from insurmountable when you're using Militia gear.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 194	Posted - 2012.10.08 09:39:00 - [28] - Quote Umbat Boki wrote: I'm starting to think that ISK reward depends only on the following things at the moment: 1) How long you play a match 2) Whether you win or lose 3) Your %WP from total WP earned by your team 4. Amount ISK to distribute depend how much stuff (and with quality) your side destroy. Salvage drops for sure :) So when you meet wp-boosters in your team... % of ISK that you will see.. is very low.
Vickers S Grunt Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 67	Posted - 2012.10.08 10:00:00 - [29] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. Maintain range and use cover u have much less chance up close# Use the minimap to spot close hostiles When u are in a gun fight keep a eye on your health. Its better to miss the kill than die and if u are low on health everyone who can see u will shoot u first. Move close to friendlys even if u have no coms . If u are alone make a squad and put a defend order on your self . Basically u have less hit points and do less damage so be less brave. If non of this works use aurum
D3aTH D3alER54 The Southern Legion 130	Posted - 2012.10.08 10:07:00 - [30] - Quote Vickers S Grunt wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: SP gain is based mostly off WP earned, ISK gain is based off of how much financial damage you do. If you kill people who are using expensive gear, you make more money. Ok. that makes things pretty clear. One prob tho. killing people with good gear is nearly impossable wen your stuck with malitia stuff. Maintain range and use cover u have much less chance up close# Use the minimap to spot close hostiles When u are in a gun fight keep a eye on your health. Its better to miss the kill than die and if u are low on health everyone who can see u will shoot u first. Move close to friendlys even if u have no coms . If u are alone make a squad and put a defend order on your self . Basically u have less hit points and do less damage so be less brave. If non of this works use aurum Make sure to pass the sqd leadership on someone else so you get the points for defend order aswel .



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