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Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.05 03:53:00 - [1] - Quote I've seen a few threads about the sensitivity being far to high, twitchy, jumpy, yada yada. Now, I have not seen a thread commenting on the immensely slow Y axis on KBM. If I set the sensitivity all the way up, mouse smoothing off, and max the DPI to 5700 on my mouse, it still takes one or two full sweeps across the mousepad to aim up or down. Is my neck broken or something? Honestly, it's just not right. CCP you need to set the Y/X axis to the same sensitivity by default, and allow for tweaking. To end on a good note - THANK YOU for the better turn speed CCP! I no longer feel like I'm inside a jello cube! When I can aim up/down as well as left/right, I will be very happy. Also to provide some information - I am using the Razer Lycosa wired gaming keyboard, and the Logitech G700 gaming mouse with a DPI range of 200-5700. *-I came up with a -rough- fix for those of us with gaming mice, or mice with customizable DPI settings-* I'm using the Logitech G700, and I discovered that using the Logitech SetPoint options, I can customize my DPI. What I found, is that if I set the Y-axis DPI about 2500 DPI higher than the X-axis, the aiming feels much more natural, although if my mouse allowed for a higher DPI cap than 5700, I would probably push the Y-axis as high as 6500, while leaving the X-axis right around 2500-3000. This will only work for mice that have onboard memory to save DPI profiles. Currently I am using a DPI range of 2600 to 3200 on the X-axis (situational), and 5200 to 5700 on the Y-axis - software restrictions aren't allowing me to set my Y-axis at a solid 5700 for all five of my DPI profiles, although I would recommend pushing the Y-axis as high as your software will allow. This is a rough fix, and will surely require a bit of tweaking, but I highly recommend spending the time on this if you are using KBM.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.10.05 06:59:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah I dread needing to look up or down in a gun fight, its slow and clunky and often leads to my death.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:34:00 - [3] - Quote Agreed. KBM is way less optimized than it was in precursor. Something feels off with it. Also, using KBM on the map is still as painfull as it was.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:32:00 - [4] - Quote Disagreed. My mouse control is way better now than in precursor.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.05 10:16:00 - [5] - Quote The mouse is far more responsive and the turn speed is much better, thats for certain. However, for some reason the Y axis sensitivity is awkwardly low, and there is no way to adjust it. In fact, some games it's higher/lower than other games, so it's not even consistently awkward! Just wondering what's going on with this.
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.10.05 14:23:00 - [6] - Quote Try zooming in with the tactical AR the up down becomes super slow. Almost to the point where I have to site the enemy normally and then zoom in and start firing, because once I zoom in up and down are shot to hell.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.06 01:22:00 - [7] - Quote Corban Lahnder wrote: Try zooming in with the tactical AR the up down becomes super slow. Almost to the point where I have to site the enemy normally and then zoom in and start firing, because once I zoom in up and down are shot to hell. Yeah I'm having issues like this too.
Ghost-33 ShootBreakStab 108	Posted - 2012.10.06 03:27:00 - [8] - Quote Also I have noticed that with smoothing on and about 900dpi It is very smooth moving fast but small movements for precise aiming gets very jerky and inconsistent speeds its odd.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.10.06 04:20:00 - [9] - Quote kbm works fine for me, except sniping is a pain now, cant get the sensitivity down enough for it.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.06 04:27:00 - [10] - Quote Ghost-33 wrote: Also I have noticed that with smoothing on and about 900dpi It is very smooth moving fast but small movements for precise aiming gets very jerky and inconsistent speeds its odd. The sensitivity with mouse smoothing is very inconsistent, for 30 seconds it'll be smooth and just how I want it, and then it's like being stuck in the mud. I'm not personally fond of it.

Unit-775 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2012.10.06 05:56:00 - [11] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Ghost-33 wrote: Also I have noticed that with smoothing on and about 900dpi It is very smooth moving fast but small movements for precise aiming gets very jerky and inconsistent speeds its odd. The sensitivity with mouse smoothing is very inconsistent, for 30 seconds it'll be smooth and just how I want it, and then it's like being stuck in the mud. I'm not personally fond of it. for me it even gets to sensitive sometimes,this happens often after a respawn. If i turn smoothing on it becomes totally inconsistent.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.06 14:33:00 - [12] - Quote Unit-775 wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Ghost-33 wrote: Also I have noticed that with smoothing on and about 900dpi It is very smooth moving fast but small movements for precise aiming gets very jerky and inconsistent speeds its odd. The sensitivity with mouse smoothing is very inconsistent, for 30 seconds it'll be smooth and just how I want it, and then it's like being stuck in the mud. I'm not personally fond of it. for me it even gets to sensitive sometimes,this happens often after a respawn. If i turn smoothing on it becomes totally inconsistent. Well, with it off it's usually fine for me, I just set it to max and set the DPI on my mouse as desired. But with mouse smoothing, max DPI is usually just a bit to slow, and sometimes WAY to slow; it's usually totally random, though once in a while it will be right where I want it for a few seconds.
Brunte Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.10.06 16:30:00 - [13] - Quote The diffrence in X and Y sensetivity is too big, it makes aiming must harder. And also, the game gets choppy when i use the mouse, it's like skipping frames or something. Oh, and there should be more settings to the mouse sensetivity, 0 is still to much for me.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.06 16:34:00 - [14] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: I've seen a few threads about the sensitivity being far to high, twitchy, jumpy, yada yada. Now, I have not seen a thread commenting on the immensely slow Y axis on KBM. If I set the sensitivity all the way up, mouse smoothing off, and max the DPI to 5700 on my mouse, it still takes one or two full sweeps across the mousepad to aim up or down. Is my neck broken or something? Honestly, it's just not right. CCP you need to set the Y/X axis to the same sensitivity by default, and allow for tweaking. To end on a good note - THANK YOU for the better turn speed CCP! I no longer feel like I'm inside a jello cube! When I can aim up/down as well as left/right, I will be very happy. Also to provide some information - I am using the Razer Lycosa wired gaming keyboard, and the Logitech G700 gaming mouse with a DPI range of 200-5700. agreed, mouse sensitivity seems a lot faster than in precursor but way less accurate. Unlike Y axis sensitivy that became slow as hell. Precursor build was perfect imo as you couldnt reach a fast enough speed to be OP vs controllers but you had a very smooth experience.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.07 02:40:00 - [15] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: agreed, mouse sensitivity seems a lot faster than in precursor but way less accurate. Unlike Y axis sensitivy that became slow as hell. Precursor build was perfect imo as you couldnt reach a fast enough speed to be OP vs controllers but you had a very smooth experience. Well, I'm going to mildly disagree with your comment about Precursor - the way the mouse sensitivity worked last build was awkward, it was more like aiming inside a slightly mobile window, rather than controlling a character. Personally, what I think they need to do is make the sensitivity range on the DS3 much higher, allowing for the twitch players on DS3 to be equally leveled. Some people might think that no gamepad player could use the uber high twitch sensitivity, but I'll have you know those players kill me frequently when I play CoD. Anyway, I guess my point is that I think if they fix the Y sensitivity and leave the X alone, the mouse will be good. They just need to raise the sensitivity ceiling for the DS3 (and fix those damn -deadzones-). Brunte wrote: The diffrence in X and Y sensetivity is too big, it makes aiming must harder. And also, the game gets choppy when i use the mouse, it's like skipping frames or something. Oh, and there should be more settings to the mouse sensetivity, 0 is still to much for me. The game gets choppy? What type of KBM are you using, and any other accessories?
Brunte Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.10.07 10:28:00 - [16] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: The game gets choppy? What type of KBM are you using, and any other accessories? A Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 and a wireless Logitech keybpard. Nothing else.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.07 10:34:00 - [17] - Quote Brunte wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: The game gets choppy? What type of KBM are you using, and any other accessories? A Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 and a wireless Logitech keybpard. Nothing else. Hmm, strange. Not sure what your issue could be. *-I came up with a -rough- fix for those of us with gaming mice, or mice with customizable DPI settings-* I'm using the Logitech G700, and I discovered that using the Logitech SetPoint options, I can customize my DPI. What I found, is that if I set the Y-axis DPI about 2500 DPI higher than the X-axis, the aiming feels much more natural, although if my mouse allowed for a higher DPI cap than 5700, I would probably push the Y-axis as high as 6500, while leaving the X-axis right around 2500-3000. This will only work for mice that have onboard memory to save DPI profiles. Currently I am using a DPI range of 2600 to 3200 on the X-axis (situational), and 5200 to 5700 on the Y-axis - software restrictions aren't allowing me to set my Y-axis at a solid 5700 for all five of my DPI profiles, although I would recommend pushing the Y-axis as high as your software will allow. This is a rough fix, and will surely require a bit of tweaking, but I highly recommend spending the time on this if you are using KBM.


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