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HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.10.02 16:54:00 - [1] - Quote Hope this isn't the norm now. Its gonna be a long week
Phoenix Archer 128 Better Hide R Die 89	Posted - 2012.10.02 16:58:00 - [2] - Quote How much SP did you earn? And how many hours did you play?
Obama DAT Doomheim 389	Posted - 2012.10.02 16:59:00 - [3] - Quote Phoenix Archer 128 wrote: How much SP did you earn? And how many hours did you play?
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.10.02 17:01:00 - [4] - Quote I played last night for a couple hours and 2 hours today. Just had a game of 2700 wp and got 7000 sp 29-4 kills
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.10.02 17:04:00 - [5] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I played last night for a couple hours and 2 hours today. Just had a game of 2700 wp and got 7000 sp 29-4 kills 29-4, you must have been playing against blind kids cause I know you are not that good... Ps. you never squad with us anymore, lame
Obama DAT Doomheim 389	Posted - 2012.10.02 17:06:00 - [6] - Quote Ouch. I'm really torn on this particular subject of SP gain in this build. Guess we should all let the week play out and see what happens at the end of it. Though it seems if you're capping at 4 hours of gameplay that it might be set a little too low.
Shadows Maker Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 129	Posted - 2012.10.02 17:10:00 - [7] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: I played last night for a couple hours and 2 hours today. Just had a game of 2700 wp and got 7000 sp 29-4 kills 29-4, you must have been playing against blind kids cause I know you are not that good... Ps. you never squad with us anymore, lame OSing maybe
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.10.02 17:18:00 - [8] - Quote With the reset being every Tuesday (did I remember that correctly) we were discussing last night if we should track our games and make a chart/graph, may start this next Tuesday or maybe tonight with an *that already played a few matches Ex: \|\|\| GAME \|\|\| WP \|\|\| SP \|\|\| ISK \|\|\| SALVAGE \|\|\| \|\|\| 1 \|\|\| 1,750 \|\|\| 11,050 \|\|\| 168,000 \|\|\| none \|\|\| \|\|\| 2 \|\|\| 2,475 \|\|\| 14,100 \|\|\| 210,000 \|\|\| 1 Eryx \|\|\| \|\|\| 3 \|\|\| 1,500 \|\|\| 9,725 \|\|\| 158,000 \|\|\| none \|\|\|
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.10.02 17:29:00 - [9] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: I played last night for a couple hours and 2 hours today. Just had a game of 2700 wp and got 7000 sp 29-4 kills 29-4, you must have been playing against blind kids cause I know you are not that good... Ps. you never squad with us anymore, lame You were out of town player. Doc and I have been playing. Yes the grind def. Kicked in already
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.10.02 19:22:00 - [10] - Quote Seems counter productive to punish the people who like to play a lot. The more we play the more aurum we spend. At this rate it may only be worth playing one day a week.

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.02 19:30:00 - [11] - Quote Yup, unless you just want to play for ISK. I can't get over 7k now. Played about 6 hours yesterday, 6 hours today. Given I lag out and fail hard on the 5objective match so meh...
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.10.02 19:35:00 - [12] - Quote I dunno. I've already fallen way behind the SP/Gear curve for this build and it hasn't even been two days. There has to be some way to keep the people who play all day from steamrolling everyone.
GoD-NoVa Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 185	Posted - 2012.10.02 19:35:00 - [13] - Quote Grinding will no longer exist, im only getting 2k sp a game now which is f'd up IMO. so im supposed to play this game till tuesday with only 2k a game? **** dat. i wont be playing at all. how can we test anything if we cant get out of militia gear
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.10.02 19:44:00 - [14] - Quote Yes it takes the fun out of leveling up. So most people will hit this within a day. They have to fix this or there is no real reason to continue. At 2k sp a match for 6 days! We really have made this game for the lowest common denominator. The people who don't have gun game and whine because others have better gear, and say they only want to play an hour a day.
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 91	Posted - 2012.10.02 19:50:00 - [15] - Quote not worth playing at this rate
m621 zmb 4	Posted - 2012.10.02 19:53:00 - [16] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Yup, unless you just want to play for ISK. I can't get over 7k now. Played about 6 hours yesterday, 6 hours today. Given I lag out and fail hard on the 5objective match so meh... It's why I switched to another character - was getting nowhere on my main.
Vane KoS Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2012.10.02 20:13:00 - [17] - Quote The skillful players (which I am not) should be pleased because it means that kit will not own skill. I am happy to respect skillful players, but I find it hard to respect players that are successful due to SP exploits, which will always exist without a cap. One thing which CCP might want to consider later on is for this cap not to kick in on new characters until they have reached the SP overall average across all active chars. This would remove one of the real big problems we have in Eve with training over time where new players are put of starting because they know they can never catch up.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.10.02 20:27:00 - [18] - Quote I thought this was supposed to be some brutal world called eve. Who cares about everything being even. Should all weapons have the same sp requirement then? Since no one can get ahead of anyone cause of the sp limitations. I'm really not clear on the purpose of this limitation, is it because some people can't play as long as others, so therefore we nerf them....?? So it is even for everyone?
DEADPOOL5241 Doomheim 212	Posted - 2012.10.02 20:31:00 - [19] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: Grinding will no longer exist, im only getting 2k sp a game now which is f'd up IMO. so im supposed to play this game till tuesday with only 2k a game? **** dat. i wont be playing at all. how can we test anything if we cant get out of militia gear Yeah, they went to far on the SP grind. First it was way, way to much, now its 5 games and not play for the rest of the week.
Vane KoS Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2012.10.02 20:43:00 - [20] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I thought this was supposed to be some brutal world called eve. Who cares about everything being even. Should all weapons have the same sp requirement then? Since no one can get ahead of anyone cause of the sp limitations. I'm really not clear on the purpose of this limitation, is it because some people can't play as long as others, so therefore we nerf them....?? So it is even for everyone? You can still get ahead by being able to afford the best kit for every match, every clone. Remember Eve has a hard cap on SP gain which is great but is also an issue for CCP. Over the years they have made SP gain easier in Eve but there is still a basic design flaw inso much as new players are quite put of by entering a game they can never catch up in. In Dust they need to try and avoid this issue. I try and explain to people that SP deficit isn't as big a burden as it seems (in Eve) but its hard to get that across to someone who has never played it. The big goals in Dust will not be who has the most SP or kills its gonna be about ownership of planets, space and assets. I do accept btw that the level seems low right now but it will get tweaked I would have thought. If a bad player like me can hit it in 3 days then its too low. For players from a typical grind and level background the SP must feel like it is the "level" - the end game goal, but I really hope this game will offer us more than that in the way of targets and incentive to play. hmm I rambled. apologies.

ICECREAMKONG WARRIORS 1NC 53	Posted - 2012.10.03 11:28:00 - [21] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Yes it takes the fun out of leveling up. So most people will hit this within a day. They have to fix this or there is no real reason to continue. At 2k sp a match for 6 days! We really have made this game for the lowest common denominator. The people who don't have gun game and whine because others have better gear, and say they only want to play an hour a day. Spot on Tasty.... This beta game what ever is a joke. Computer game programmers making a console FPS. Result.
Frank A Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2012.10.03 11:39:00 - [22] - Quote Cmdr Wang posted: Dear players, We will be deploying a server hotfix today and will be extending the server DT to 12:00 GMT. The following hotfixes scheduled for today's DT will aim to address the following issues: ..... stuff.... Battle Rewards (EVE Server) GÇóThe current rewards system does not pay out rewards correctly. ..... more stuff .... Maybe this means SP's are not working right atm and will be fixed today
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.10.03 14:15:00 - [23] - Quote A few things, the cap seems to be about 500,000 skill points in a week, but you can still grind for about 500sp, i'll let you know today if it goes lower. Can anyone name a game where there wasn't a META Level, whereby everybody basically had the same stuff, and it was only your choice of weapon that decided the outcome. So this brings us to this horrible system. Where is the matchmaking? We are not going to do any -- it is too hard to program (granted it is not like a 1985 VCR), but HOW HARD is it to stick the people who don't play that much in their own litttle corner of space where they can face each other and their no time to game as I have a real life arguement can give them all warm feelings. SO my SP booster is rendered useless because it only works for 4 out of 30 days.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.03 14:17:00 - [24] - Quote punishing the no lifers much....? Shame I'm a no lifer
ChargersGirlLuvsDP Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.10.03 14:18:00 - [25] - Quote lol, FPSer tears, best tears.....
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.03 14:24:00 - [26] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: punishing the no lifers much....? Shame I'm a no lifer they just took the biggest band aid outa the box and punished everyone for the actions of a lame few. more fool them tbh. this is gone hurt them more than it hurts us players belive me. what next wow stylee char farming/selling lol.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:11:00 - [27] - Quote Something change after last nights hot patch. I was getting 200-700 SP last night Today I'm back to normal of 20-40k SP So either they fixed it or it was reset cause last night was Tuesday?
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:19:00 - [28] - Quote Cautiously optimistic then.... I am knee deep in replacing a pump in my heating system, so I haven't had a chance to check yet...... But IF it just reset because of tuesday, I'll be back again saying how stupid a situation this SP Cap is.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:28:00 - [29] - Quote yea i think i've gotten like 200k SP total and anti grind is in. SP gain is way too low.. at least IMO i have like 850k total and i think i started with either 500 or 600K... so yea
STB DEADPOOL5241 EV Doomheim 352	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:30:00 - [30] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Something change after last nights hot patch. I was getting 200-700 SP last night Today I'm back to normal of 20-40k SP So either they fixed it or it was reset cause last night was Tuesday? Noticed that as well, first few games I was back to 40-50 range in SP.

Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:34:00 - [31] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: Cautiously optimistic then.... I am knee deep in replacing a pump in my heating system, so I haven't had a chance to check yet...... But IF it just reset because of tuesday, I'll be back again saying how stupid a situation this SP Cap is. knee deep? lol, ps make sure its pointing the right way, you did check before taking the old one out right?
Mr Funless Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 191	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:35:00 - [32] - Quote Anyone remember playing FPSes because they were fun? There was no grinding for SP/XP/whatever. There was just kills,deaths,flag captures, team points, etc. Where were you all? Probably still sucking on your thumb.
YoUnGcUz Imperfects Negative-Feedback 67	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:35:00 - [33] - Quote same im back to normal skill points
Sin3 DeusNomine Doomheim 142	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:37:00 - [34] - Quote YoUnGcUz wrote: same im back to normal skill points Ya same here back to normal. :) GG Youngcuz
Titus Stryker Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:37:00 - [35] - Quote it is difficult to sell to the community to accept lower SP when a couple months ago people were getting 200k /300k SP in a single match. I am curious to see where SP levels are in a week or two. It is a fine line between catering to casuals and rewarding hardcore dedicated vets while appealing to both simultaneously.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:39:00 - [36] - Quote Mr Funless wrote: Anyone remember playing FPSes because they were fun? There was no grinding for SP/XP/whatever. There was just kills,deaths,flag captures, team points, etc. Where were you all? Probably still sucking on your thumb. yep. before PJ and his all in one came along and made every other dumb arse scripter/modder/dev think it was a great idea to track stats.
Titus Stryker Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2012.10.03 19:10:00 - [37] - Quote Mr Funless wrote: Anyone remember playing FPSes because they were fun? There was no grinding for SP/XP/whatever. There was just kills,deaths,flag captures, team points, etc. Where were you all? Probably still sucking on your thumb. You mean do I remember last night...um yes, I do. I still play for fun. I actually only play for fun, if it is not fun i wouldn't do it. I want all the cool stuff to but I really just enjoy jumping on and playing with my friends...
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.03 19:26:00 - [38] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: yea i think i've gotten like 200k SP total and anti grind is in. SP gain is way too low.. at least IMO i have like 850k total and i think i started with either 500 or 600K... so yea I only have time to play 2 hours a day, I'm happy to know I'm not unable to catch up to you by the end of the week, suck it
IUU-05 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2012.10.03 21:25:00 - [39] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I thought this was supposed to be some brutal world called eve. Who cares about everything being even. Should all weapons have the same sp requirement then? Since no one can get ahead of anyone cause of the sp limitations. I'm really not clear on the purpose of this limitation, is it because some people can't play as long as others, so therefore we nerf them....?? So it is even for everyone? hey guys you know this big bad world of eve is very slow rate of speed gains. The cap is needed so that you can not have the people with no life outpace the people that play for the overall eve world view of owing space. Obtaining space should not level you up but also with the skill caps it gives people that crave peoples eve tears can go do corp battles to take territory for eve players..... **** eve players you say? well i say when they bank roll all your fits and start to give you free OB's i think youll start to hit up ts3 and call those guys. The game was unplayable with the hit dection and all that has been fixed, there are still problems but im playing for fun now and see that they are headed in the correct direction. SKILL CAPS RULE :) it will make people fight over turff more.... think big man and get outta the FPS mindset your in the universe of eve now... the first good FPS sandbox and the skill cap in most other FPS is like a month of play.....
Goat of Dover Shadow Company HQ 161	Posted - 2012.10.03 21:53:00 - [40] - Quote I hate to refer to CoD but they have a prestige mode which is what I wanted to point out. This allows you to reset your skills for bragging rights I guess. There is not one in this game so If you reach max in no time then what is the point in playing . It also requires you to specialize some. This beta test how things react but also it test how much people can build in a certain amount of time. So that they have they proper settings for the real game when it releases to the masses.

Will Navidson2 Doomheim 6	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:06:00 - [41] - Quote All of you who are complaining that the sp is to slow seem to forget that this is a beta. This was always the plan but if they had it set like it is now we would not have been able to test everything. We were told at the beginning that we would have accelerated sp gains for the sake of testing. Just remember had you not played in the beta you would think nothing about the sp gains.
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:19:00 - [42] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I thought this was supposed to be some brutal world called eve. Who cares about everything being even. Should all weapons have the same sp requirement then? Since no one can get ahead of anyone cause of the sp limitations. I'm really not clear on the purpose of this limitation, is it because some people can't play as long as others, so therefore we nerf them....?? So it is even for everyone? I dunno, I would imagine getting barely any SP a match would = hardcore. Because you have to grind to an insane level just to get a little SP. Seems harder now for people to rank in skills, as they can't just play non-stop for 24 hours and have proto everything the next morning, now they actually have to work at it. I think you all are just mad that it's harder and takes longer to upgrade skills, you were used to getting easy SP handouts and updating skills like crazy in previous build, but now that you actually have to really work for tiny scraps of SP, you all cry about it.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:22:00 - [43] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Seems counter productive to punish the people who like to play a lot. The more we play the more aurum we spend. At this rate it may only be worth playing one day a week. Has the grind kicked in on all 3 of your character slots or just the one? Also, I hate you GG this morning.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:22:00 - [44] - Quote how are u guys gettin so little??? im still gettin a solid amount of SP per game after 2 days
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:26:00 - [45] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: how are u guys gettin so little??? im still gettin a solid amount of SP per game after 2 days What's your SP total at? The grind it kicking in at ~250-300k sp for the week(ish - I don't know if these are the same accounts that have passive sp on that are giving the numbers) & you get more baseline SP for longer matches than shorter matches.
SGT Garrisson On The Brink 60	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:28:00 - [46] - Quote defo weird that some have hit the sp cap already sp isk gain hasnt reduced for me snice build started ive been playing 4-6 hours a day well if it has reduced ive not noticed 15k sp and 100k average per match (depending on squad this does go up or down) total sp as of right now 1,049,063
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:40:00 - [47] - Quote SGT Garrisson wrote: defo weird that some have hit the sp cap already sp isk gain hasnt reduced for me snice build started ive been playing 4-6 hours a day well if it has reduced ive not noticed 15k sp and 100k average per match (depending on squad this does go up or down) total sp as of right now 1,049,063 On a skirmish or an ambush map? I'm thinking people are getting lower gains on ambush because they're shorter.
SGT Garrisson On The Brink 60	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:43:00 - [48] - Quote today skirmish last 2 days both as games were random
Raiko Sai PMW NATION 9	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:49:00 - [49] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: I dunno. I've already fallen way behind the SP/Gear curve for this build and it hasn't even been two days. There has to be some way to keep the people who play all day from steamrolling everyone. add a horde mode?
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.03 22:57:00 - [50] - Quote Raiko Sai wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I dunno. I've already fallen way behind the SP/Gear curve for this build and it hasn't even been two days. There has to be some way to keep the people who play all day from steamrolling everyone. add a horde mode? Add in corporate & faction matches for gear/territory/bragging rights & don't give SP rewards for them.

Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.10.03 23:08:00 - [51] - Quote Longshot Ravenwood wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: how are u guys gettin so little??? im still gettin a solid amount of SP per game after 2 days What's your SP total at? The grind it kicking in at ~250-300k sp for the week(ish - I don't know if these are the same accounts that have passive sp on that are giving the numbers) & you get more baseline SP for longer matches than shorter matches. im at 1.1 mill total atm u guys zergin with more than 1 squad? i usually roll with 2-4 ppl and well we dont q-sync to get more in either too boring too easy. we set objectives, kill, cap, rinse and repeat really nothing different than other peeps and even my guys without boosters are still gettin like 10K+ a game for playing a decent amount...not no lifing it but decent amount. ive seen some peeps with 700-1000+ kills already like damnnnnn dafuq lol


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