DUST Search - Dust, no lifers, and skill?

Cortez The Killer wrote:

Reb El wrote:

I agree w OP and supporters - and while I am not a fan of FPS games like CoD, I did manage to level through all 3 PMCs in MAG. So here is the Word from the land of the PS3 gamer: Your little game will always be a LITTLE game, with very few players. Hope they don't spend a lot of money developing it because it sin't going to retain a lot of people who try it.

The reasons are the OP and the responses. OP has a huge point, as my KD ratio is moving BACKWARDS the further up the skill tree I move. Each time I think I have a competetive fit, I try an AMBUSH map and get my ass handed to me. It's gone from bad to worse, and last night I spawned in with a heavy shock suit and armor upgrades, yet fell after being hit with ONE HMG BULLET.

OK so I tried an objective map - which BTW almost NEVER spawns me into at the beginning - I only get in when the game is halfway done. And as soon as I find a defensive position me and 3 other guys are jumped by ONE player, with shield mods so high that 4 of us shooting him and hitting him wasn't enough to take him down. ANd I am Lvl5 AR, lvl4 LW, lvl 4 Sharpshooter, yet had no ability to overcome his shields. I know, lets nerf the shields next!

You see my point - that infinite skill trees just F up the game for almost everyone who comes in on Day 2 or later. It happened in DC Universe - which they thought ppl would be playing in massive quantities and spending REAL $ on as well. Got news for ya CCP - real gamers have about 6months to spare your little offering - if it isn't FUN, or takes too much time we move on to the next offering. I am a month into this Beta and about to delete it from my system as hopelessly overcomplicated, frustratingly difficult to enjoy, and downright annoying.

To the people who think they are 'super FPS players' and criticizing legitimate concerns about this game, and especiall y attacking other players abilities: You are assuming we don't have skills, just becasue we can't devote our lives to carpal tunnel thumbs. Come play me in Rockband, I will whip your ass there and make you look silly and incapable too - I am only a Top 100 player. My point is that being mind-blowingly excellent at a shooter should not be the ONLY way a person can enjoy this game, but it is working out that way.

SO I am deleting this game soon - because it isn't any FUN! I am not enjoying the high blood pressure from finding that even in my meanest suit I am a glass target. I am not enjoying the way they limited railguns to a kilck or less of distance (so silly, railguns should have a range of MANY miles, by their very nature - which tells me PHYSICS are irrelevvant in this game) & I am not enjoying being hit by a dropship sitting on top of a skyscraper on a turretless map. I am not enjoying being spawned into a team who have no tanks and facing a team that fields 4 of them. And I definitely am not enjoying the anger, crass assumptions and simpleton insults that plague this and every other game forum.

None of these geek-boy couch potatos would speak this way to my face - I can bench press most of em. It's amazing how much more respectful people are in person. ANd I have a Real Life - I play this game about an hour or 2 a day, usually while watching Netflix on my iPad LOL. Most "casual gamers"are like me - so make a game for the masses CCP or you will be trying to recoup your investment from a small group of fanboys, psychotic teenagers with no money, and a limited pool of FPS nuts who think their stats in a game somehow turn them into a real Army Ranger or Navy SEAL

Wow, this one made me spit a perfectly good Crown and coke on my monitor. The butthurt is strong with you Grasshoppa. So is the irony when this was your next post..

Reb el wrote:

I swear you idiots seem to be unable to understand basic reading comprehension - THIS IS A FEEDBACK FORUM! I and others are giving the devs what they asked for - considered response to conditions in the game. YOU are the one filling up a forum with snide little comments trying to start a fight - Effing trolls, got no use for ya.

As for the OP, the nature of the skill tree limits the amount of skills and equipment that can be used at any time. For example, a 100m SP character in an assault suit with an AR is no more effective one on one with a 10m SP player with the same skills applied to that same suit and weapon. The biggest difference is the players RL skills with game mechanics and teamwork. Heavy on the teamwork. Ask around a little bit on what a "Rifter hero" is. The other difference is that the 100m character has more options for gear and equipment loadouts, but can still only use a fraction of total SP at any given time. I've nearly maxed out a sniper in three weeks with a job, wife, social life, and simultaneously skilling three characters. It isn't that hard to find an effective niche to start with and without spending 23/7 playing the game.

You must be doing it wrong.


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Reb El Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.09.19 15:43:00 - [1] - Quote I agree w OP and supporters - and while I am not a fan of FPS games like CoD, I did manage to level through all 3 PMCs in MAG. So here is the Word from the land of the PS3 gamer: Your little game will always be a LITTLE game, with very few players. Hope they don't spend a lot of money developing it because it sin't going to retain a lot of people who try it. The reasons are the OP and the responses. OP has a huge point, as my KD ratio is moving BACKWARDS the further up the skill tree I move. Each time I think I have a competetive fit, I try an AMBUSH map and get my ass handed to me. It's gone from bad to worse, and last night I spawned in with a heavy shock suit and armor upgrades, yet fell after being hit with ONE HMG BULLET. OK so I tried an objective map - which BTW almost NEVER spawns me into at the beginning - I only get in when the game is halfway done. And as soon as I find a defensive position me and 3 other guys are jumped by ONE player, with shield mods so high that 4 of us shooting him and hitting him wasn't enough to take him down. ANd I am Lvl5 AR, lvl4 LW, lvl 4 Sharpshooter, yet had no ability to overcome his shields. I know, lets nerf the shields next! You see my point - that infinite skill trees just F up the game for almost everyone who comes in on Day 2 or later. It happened in DC Universe - which they thought ppl would be playing in massive quantities and spending REAL $ on as well. Got news for ya CCP - real gamers have about 6months to spare your little offering - if it isn't FUN, or takes too much time we move on to the next offering. I am a month into this Beta and about to delete it from my system as hopelessly overcomplicated, frustratingly difficult to enjoy, and downright annoying. To the people who think they are 'super FPS players' and criticizing legitimate concerns about this game, and especiall y attacking other players abilities: You are assuming we don't have skills, just becasue we can't devote our lives to carpal tunnel thumbs. Come play me in Rockband, I will whip your ass there and make you look silly and incapable too - I am only a Top 100 player. My point is that being mind-blowingly excellent at a shooter should not be the ONLY way a person can enjoy this game, but it is working out that way. SO I am deleting this game soon - because it isn't any FUN! I am not enjoying the high blood pressure from finding that even in my meanest suit I am a glass target. I am not enjoying the way they limited railguns to a kilck or less of distance (so silly, railguns should have a range of MANY miles, by their very nature - which tells me PHYSICS are irrelevvant in this game) & I am not enjoying being hit by a dropship sitting on top of a skyscraper on a turretless map. I am not enjoying being spawned into a team who have no tanks and facing a team that fields 4 of them. And I definitely am not enjoying the anger, crass assumptions and simpleton insults that plague this and every other game forum. None of these geek-boy couch potatos would speak this way to my face - I can bench press most of em. It's amazing how much more respectful people are in person. ANd I have a Real Life - I play this game about an hour or 2 a day, usually while watching Netflix on my iPad LOL. Most "casual gamers"are like me - so make a game for the masses CCP or you will be trying to recoup your investment from a small group of fanboys, psychotic teenagers with no money, and a limited pool of FPS nuts who think their stats in a game somehow turn them into a real Army Ranger or Navy SEAL
Reb El Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.09.19 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Republicans and (some) Christians. Terrible combination the puts this country into more debt and f*cks up the education system x1000 Altho probably not the forum for it :)
Reb El Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.09.19 15:58:00 - [3] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: the TLDR, I'm bad and I'm taking my ball and going home, and I'm probably the OPs alt. Bye. Wrong - I am my own person - I think you just hate to see the sentiment running his way. I'm not "taking my ball" you specious moron, I am giving the DEVs feedback that this game blows. And so do you, little girl.
Reb El Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.09.19 16:05:00 - [4] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: with that attitude no one wants you in their organized squad which is why you're dying most of the time because you assume this should be based on you're skillz to lolsolo everything if you guys have such awesome real lives you wouldn't be here now bragging about that while admitting you fail at a team based beta. you would instead go out and live the life you're now bragging about on a video game forum.. I swear you idiots seem to be unable to understand basic reading comprehension - THIS IS A FEEDBACK FORUM! I and others are giving the devs what they asked for - considered response to conditions in the game. YOU are the one filling up a forum with snide little comments trying to start a fight - Effing trolls, got no use for ya. And believe it or not many of us posting in the daytime are AT WORK, a concept I know you don't understand yet. WE might post in downtime, or during the day because we have wives, lives and kids at home with us in the evenings. We would much rather spend time with them than reading your little fart-joke comments. Organized squad? WTF? You people know this is a GAME right? I never even hear anyone use a mic, what makes you think we ever find anyone to speak with about JOINING a squad? Or are you messaging every player you meet, asking if they wanna join ur little "fam"? Sounds like PS HOME wanna-be bangers "You wanna join my squad? WE RULE!" How gay are you, really?" Notice how none of my detractors can actually address a single point I made, can't respond with positive slolutions, and can only sling "You must suck we don't need ya"commentary? I'd love to go up against these morons on a paintball SupAir field....
Reb El Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.09.19 16:38:00 - [5] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: oh I'm very gay but that's not the point, didn't you say you were leaving? this is the general discussion forum btw, feedback is 2 doors down. You seem really mad, do you get upset at people not agreeing with you often? its usually a good indication that a person is a bigot. As for organised squads, yeah they happen quite a bit, a lot of the people I play with like to squad up, tends to ruin my lonewolf game style, but that's life adapt and over come ect, seems better then whining on the forum and threatening to delete the game, not a concept i expect you to understand though. I am not angry at the players, but many of the smart-assed posters here deserve it. Yes FEEDBACK is two doors down, got a feeling that the devs read most of it though - and this post qualifies as feedback when you get this far into a discussion. Yes, you are gay. Just like anything wussy is gay. I don't care if you are a homosexual though, I have friends who are and they are usually a lot nicer than you have been. I don't care if people agree with me or not - I care when punks like you make a smarmy comment to me. And since I can write, I can defend my position. I don't have to be NICE about it at that point though, so watch your feelings don't get hurt. Played MAG for 3 years - persistent squads were so rare they were never a factor. ANd they won't be here, "team-based beta"or not. 90% of the FPS players are NOT in squads - so acting like they are just shows how lame your "lone-wolf skills"must be or you wouldn't need to squad up. And I will leave just as soon as I feel like it, probably after having decided to irritate you some more. Hope I wind up on your team sometimes so I can suicide your clones away. I have actually played several matches with your candy ass, so I have seen you on the fields. Nothing special as far as I can tell, and you sure weren't at the top of the team scores. Tebow....Isn't he that gay quarterback who pretends to love jesus for the fans? And you STILL haven't adressed any of the problem points - take a debate class.
Reb El Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.09.20 16:41:00 - [6] - Quote Cortez The Killer wrote: Reb El wrote: I agree w OP and supporters - and while I am not a fan of FPS games like CoD, I did manage to level through all 3 PMCs in MAG. So here is the Word from the land of the PS3 gamer: Your little game will always be a LITTLE game, with very few players. Hope they don't spend a lot of money developing it because it sin't going to retain a lot of people who try it. The reasons are the OP and the responses. OP has a huge point, as my KD ratio is moving BACKWARDS the further up the skill tree I move. Each time I think I have a competetive fit, I try an AMBUSH map and get my ass handed to me. It's gone from bad to worse, and last night I spawned in with a heavy shock suit and armor upgrades, yet fell after being hit with ONE HMG BULLET. OK so I tried an objective map - which BTW almost NEVER spawns me into at the beginning - I only get in when the game is halfway done. And as soon as I find a defensive position me and 3 other guys are jumped by ONE player, with shield mods so high that 4 of us shooting him and hitting him wasn't enough to take him down. ANd I am Lvl5 AR, lvl4 LW, lvl 4 Sharpshooter, yet had no ability to overcome his shields. I know, lets nerf the shields next! You see my point - that infinite skill trees just F up the game for almost everyone who comes in on Day 2 or later. It happened in DC Universe - which they thought ppl would be playing in massive quantities and spending REAL $ on as well. Got news for ya CCP - real gamers have about 6months to spare your little offering - if it isn't FUN, or takes too much time we move on to the next offering. I am a month into this Beta and about to delete it from my system as hopelessly overcomplicated, frustratingly difficult to enjoy, and downright annoying. To the people who think they are 'super FPS players' and criticizing legitimate concerns about this game, and especiall y attacking other players abilities: You are assuming we don't have skills, just becasue we can't devote our lives to carpal tunnel thumbs. Come play me in Rockband, I will whip your ass there and make you look silly and incapable too - I am only a Top 100 player. My point is that being mind-blowingly excellent at a shooter should not be the ONLY way a person can enjoy this game, but it is working out that way. SO I am deleting this game soon - because it isn't any FUN! I am not enjoying the high blood pressure from finding that even in my meanest suit I am a glass target. I am not enjoying the way they limited railguns to a kilck or less of distance (so silly, railguns should have a range of MANY miles, by their very nature - which tells me PHYSICS are irrelevvant in this game) & I am not enjoying being hit by a dropship sitting on top of a skyscraper on a turretless map. I am not enjoying being spawned into a team who have no tanks and facing a team that fields 4 of them. And I definitely am not enjoying the anger, crass assumptions and simpleton insults that plague this and every other game forum. None of these geek-boy couch potatos would speak this way to my face - I can bench press most of em. It's amazing how much more respectful people are in person. ANd I have a Real Life - I play this game about an hour or 2 a day, usually while watching Netflix on my iPad LOL. Most "casual gamers"are like me - so make a game for the masses CCP or you will be trying to recoup your investment from a small group of fanboys, psychotic teenagers with no money, and a limited pool of FPS nuts who think their stats in a game somehow turn them into a real Army Ranger or Navy SEAL Wow, this one made me spit a perfectly good Crown and coke on my monitor. The butthurt is strong with you Grasshoppa. So is the irony when this was your next post.. Reb el wrote: I swear you idiots seem to be unable to understand basic reading comprehension - THIS IS A FEEDBACK FORUM! I and others are giving the devs what they asked for - considered response to conditions in the game. YOU are the one filling up a forum with snide little comments trying to start a fight - Effing trolls, got no use for ya. As for the OP, the nature of the skill tree limits the amount of skills and equipment that can be used at any time. For example, a 100m SP character in an assault suit with an AR is no more effective one on one with a 10m SP player with the same skills applied to that same suit and weapon. The biggest difference is the players RL skills with game mechanics and teamwork. Heavy on the teamwork. Ask around a little bit on what a "Rifter hero" is. The other difference is that the 100m character has more options for gear and equipment loadouts, but can still only use a fraction of total SP at any given time. I've nearly maxed out a sniper in three weeks with a job, wife, social life, and simultaneously skilling three characters. It isn't that hard to find an effective niche to start with and without spending 23/7 playing the game. You must be doing it wrong. Your Irony Meter must bge broken - I am not trolling or trying to start a fight with snide little comments. I posted a reasonable response to the OP - if you can't discriminate that then you are trolling yourself. To your attempt at an explanation - I am perfectly capable of understanding the mechanics behind the skill trees, and of parsing the obvious advantages/disadvantages. In a full MONTH of playing from the ground up, I only earned 2.5million SP. SO YES, I was doing it wrong - I didn't start at the same time as everyone else, which means I was roughly 75% behind the average player. ANd exactly HOW is that supposed to make me want to keep playing and catch up? You are all missing the OP point - that the harder and more complex you make this game the fewer people will play it. You EvE corp players are going to be lucky if a single regiment's worth of players ever decide to make this game a regular part of their day. Good luck!
Reb El Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.09.20 16:42:00 - [7] - Quote Tyas Borg wrote: I gave you a like Reb El. It's the closest thing I've got to a hug. TY but I am not really a hugger. A Like is fine.