I wasn't sure how I would reply, but after thinking about it, here is my take.

So far, my favorite STB is DEADPOOL. He seems like a good guy and we have had some very respectful exchanges in the forums, and are looking forward to some healthy and fun exchanges on the battlefield. He vouched for quite a few STB's as good folk, but acknowledged that every group your size has some, what I will dub, 'characters'. Now, I have had some run-ins with Ted and Fork and Rage and others, and they have generally been pretty fun duals that usually end up eye-for-an-eye back and forth. Some banter back and forth in the forums, but usually, pretty respectable.

I think the real problem with STB's image is A LOT of baggage from previous lifetimes -- and a few folks that have not 'grown up' to the level of respect that the average EvE/Dust player expects. As it has been pointed out here (on the forums before), this is a bit of an older community, less bent on making other people feel bad, or showing up the other guy, and more of a community of folks that have been gaming in all kind of capacities for the past 20 - 30 years and really have found the pinnacle of gaming in the New Eden universe.

So, just don't be afraid to be self-policing when it comes to folks in the STB clan. If you lead by example and put the kibosh on posts and behavior that is unbecoming of a respectful and play-hard gamer, then I feel STB could be know in New Eden as a group to be reckoned with for the right reasons.

Good luck gents (and ladies I trust) and I look forward to every time I see "exemplary" STB'ers in the play list. Whether or not it is on my side or the opposite team, I always know it will be a good, hard-fought game!

- In Hoc

Dont double post, it's bad etiquette, as are using 5 year old cookie and cake memes.

This is your biggest problem of all STB, Your horrible, horrible forum posting along with the stupid names, Why is STB needed in your tags? It will be on your corp ticker next build. Why is EV needed? They are nobody and when they failcascade you'll be stuck with a reminder of EV in your user name for the rest of your Dust career, far after EV have been forgotten about and people will just think it's some stupid random letters on the end of your user name.


The forum chest beating is tolerated and expected so it hardly effects your image, you just need to get better at it and how you do it need's to improve.

Don't let idiots post on the forums unless it's well known that all STB members DO NOT speak for STB and are only voicing their own opinions so they get ridiculed personally and not the whole corp is looked down on. Have a small, core group of people who CAN voice STB's opinions on things formally on the forums but make sure they are educated and can spell, someone like Deadpool who is respected and knows how to write, not someone like the mongaloid 14 year old caffeine addict that posted above me.

Don't post drunk, Slosh OPs are normal for EVE and will be for Dust, but don't forum post, you'll dig yourself a hole every single time and look like a ******* muppet the following day. Don't take the bait when you get flamed on the forums, it will generate you much, much more hatred because you're ignoring the idiots which gives you better coverage in new eden and more people complain about you, but you keep your respect and dignity in tact by not getting into flame wars, by all means, troll them and make them look even more stupid than they already are, but you all need to learn to troll correctly first.

Going from your post, Deadpool, it appears to me that you and STB are under the assumption that you can be a serious, big name corp in New Eden and still operate like any other small time clan from every other FPS. If that's so it'll be interesting to see your reaction to the new reality you've placed yourselves in.

Indeed,


Deadpool, I know it's a game, but this thread is about feedback and advice to STB, that's what i was giving. I fail to see your issue?

You seem to think EVE/Dust Corporations are just the kind of thing where a bunch of guys who like playing together do whatever they feel like with no real authority coming from the leaders and officers. EVE and Dust corporations rely upon a largely strict hierarchy, this is why most serious corporations are structured more like a corporate bureaucracy or in the case of the Goons a dictatorship rather than a happy go-lucky group of casuals mucking about.



Like I said, you seem to be under the illusion that EVE corps and the politicking that goes on inside and between them is like any other MMO or FPS out there. This is not the case unless you're happy sitting in your own corner being nobody of importance.



That's awesome. Good for you, unfortunately other corporations who are able to organize better by having an actual hierarchy will take advantage of your lack of one.

I didn't think your post was unclear, quite the opposite, i actually felt that you didn't like the fact i replied on topic and gave my opinion.

I know you can't tell people to post or not to post, that's impossible to moderate, even as an "officer" in a corp. People will alway rebel and not pay attention and do what they want, that's just the way things are. What i'd propose is making sure that the community knows who the important people are making sure they know not to view individual posters as the views of STB. Making people like Quickgloves much more high profile, making sure he speaks in an official capacity at all times for example means people will take him seriously all the time and look at him for official stances on issues etc rather than listening to your average member.

As for people who i think don't give you guys much credibility on the forums, i'd have to say all of them except yourselves, Quickgloves maybe the boss, but even his posting is terrible and looks like a 12 year old wrote them. You all need to remember that Corps in New Eden are a business, not a social club, if you want to win contracts you need to act and behave to a certain way, a certain level of maturity and professionalism is expected, avin sum1 talk leik dis will get dem ignored innit and they won't win any contracts because people will see them as idiots and judge them based on that. Forum presence and presentation is a big part of your corp and has to be dealt with well. Even large corps like Goonwaffe expect a certain level of behavior and if that's not met or someone makes a massive idiot of themselves they have to do something to make sure they learn their lesson, such as a fine, giving someone a tank or whatever, In EVE we actually make people write something like an apology note, go to the nearest hardware store, stick a plunger on their head on the middle of the store, hold the note up and have a friend take a photo for us, it gets the message across very well and ensures people learn and don't continue to make a tit of themselves and of the corp.

Encouraging people to post is always good, it's the foundation of a lot of corps, personally we always say "Never not post" or something like that to remind people to keep up to date and chat with people etc etc.

I know it's a game, i know it's meant to be fun, there is a certain degree of seriousness needed and expected in EVE though, certainly when you want to secure large contracts, make powerful allies and play the political game as it all requires a level of commitment that is going to take more than just "playing the game for fun". If you want to be the best, you have to balance having fun and being serious. Somethings take months or even years in EVE, it took us Years to destroy BoB and took a lot of seriousness as well as fun.

Deadpool,

This is turning into a really good thread and a very good discussion that's touching on things much deeper than just STB and i think it's safe to say we'll all take away things from this, it's nice to have a conversation without it turning into a flamefest.

I do think STB has a Hierarchy, in fact i know a lot more of STB and EV that 99% of the forum users here and possibly even more than some STB/EV members due to the resources we have available and i did touch on this with Quickgloves earlier to give him a little insight into what he's going to have to start and consider when i emailed him earlier.

I don't think the BF3, CoD and Halo players will play Dust the same way as we will at all, but at the same time i think they won't get the same forum coverage or even bother with the meta gaming and the forum posting so it's kinda a moot point there suggesting that their style of play will be a regular part of the Dust community. The players who are reading this and the players who are interested in this sort of thing are the exact people what will make a difference and will be a part of the community.

I know Quickgloves is a good guy, I've been chatting to him via Email and I've seen a lot of his posts on the forums, I'm not criticizing anything about him at all, i like him and he is exactly the sort of player that's going to make an impact here. I was just commenting on how his posts could come over and that a little extra effort here and there would make a huge impact on his and STB's reputation. Goons can be serious too sometimes and i am actually trying to help and not troll here. :D

I do think you being PR was a great call by STB and you've already done a great deal to improve the image, this thread alone has done you a massive amount of good as it's shown you're all willing to learn and take a little constructive criticism and that's something to be respected.

Just had a great game with Ted and YoUnGcUz. Just wish we were all on comms. Nice game guys!

Do you guys mind if I PSN you guys too? I'd love to get into more collab-ing with true players of the game!

STB doesn't seem to bother me much as my 4 man crew rolls all av, I maxed out my forge guns so I have my own tank wrecking crew I love tank spammers they give me the most sp/isk over anything. Bring them on I say I look at STB as a blessing my skillbooks would be low if not for them. :D