DUST Search - Clone armies

Nu11u5 wrote:

Shiro Mokuzan wrote:

Prince Ombra wrote:

So the in-game reason is that human consciousness can only occupy one body at a time? Because the story fluff says that memories are downloaded to a new body at the moment of death, so I don't see why those same memories couldn't be downloaded to two or more bodies at the same time.

Memories are not the same as consciousness.

The process is destructive to the brain. At the moment of death, the implant transfers each neuron instantaneously, destroying the "original" in the process.

Since you asked, here is info on cloning.

And here's the article on the burning scanner.

Now this is all for capsuleers in EVE. The process has changed somewhat in DUST, do to some technological advances, but the basics should be the same.

The capsuleer cloning process is only destructive b/c of the speed at which it happens (almost instantaneously) to ensure copy before pod-death. Cloning in a lab is not destructive and is used by Capsuleers and social elites to travel across the galaxy by way of mind transfer.

Having multiple clones active, each sharing a copy of your consciousness is possible, but the process is highly regulated to prevent that and is considered a social taboo. The practice is highly illegal and getting caught, among other things, usually results in the destruction of all "copied" biological materials. You better hope the authorities get who's not and clone and who is right when that happens.

The Broker, a mysterious and extremely powerful business man in New Eden, operates with a network of spies that only he can trust - active clones of himself. He is so loyal to his own vision, that his clones will suicide rather than be identified.

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Prince Ombra Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:34:00 - [1] - Quote So is there any in-game reason why corps aren't fielding armies of the same super-trooper cloned 1 million times? Sure, I know the out-of-game reason, which is that mentioning "clone troopers" immediately brings Jar Jar Binks to mind (I am of course being facetious), but wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective for the money-grubbing corporations to just crank out copies of sci-fi Rambo?
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:41:00 - [2] - Quote We're better because our minds our transferred to new bodies, so any experience and skills we gain are preserved. The clones we use are blank bodies that are receptacles for out conciousnesses to get transferred to. They're not clones in the conventional sense of taking one person and making lots of people with the exact same DNA. They're more like spare bodies for us to use. A regular army, clone or not, has to have each member trained, and then when they die, another has be trianed from scratch to take their place. We, on the other hand, get better and better the more we fight, after hundreds or thousands of deaths. There are normal armies, but DUST troops are the elite immortal warriors, just like how EVE capsuleers are the elite immortal demigods.
Typo Name 78	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:41:00 - [3] - Quote For all we know, they ARE using rambo. As far as armies go, 1. It'll probably be more realistic than a deathmatch when the game launches 2. If the enemy only has 24 people in the area, why waste money sending 40,000?
wathak 514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:50:00 - [4] - Quote Think of it this way a body is a vehicle piloted by the soul a soul cant be copied iven if the body can so if u were to send all the copies of 1 trooper into battle they would just be shadows ragdolls of the original. When th merc dies his soul is transplanted into a new vehicle a new body making it as if he never died. Makes since now i dont think anyarmy would want a bunch of brainless soldiers even if they have all the same capacity of the original. Well that was the religious syfy version the gamer version is much shorter Npc are weaker then paris hilton playing
Prince Ombra Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.09.09 21:57:00 - [5] - Quote So the in-game reason is that human consciousness can only occupy one body at a time? Because the story fluff says that memories are downloaded to a new body at the moment of death, so I don't see why those same memories couldn't be downloaded to two or more bodies at the same time.
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.09.09 22:01:00 - [6] - Quote Prince Ombra wrote: So the in-game reason is that human consciousness can only occupy one body at a time? Because the story fluff says that memories are downloaded to a new body at the moment of death, so I don't see why those same memories couldn't be downloaded to two or more bodies at the same time. Memories are not the same as consciousness. The process is destructive to the brain. At the moment of death, the implant transfers each neuron instantaneously, destroying the "original" in the process. Since you asked, here is info on cloning. And here's the article on the burning scanner. Now this is all for capsuleers in EVE. The process has changed somewhat in DUST, do to some technological advances, but the basics should be the same.
Nu11u5 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 73	Posted - 2012.09.09 22:24:00 - [7] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Prince Ombra wrote: So the in-game reason is that human consciousness can only occupy one body at a time? Because the story fluff says that memories are downloaded to a new body at the moment of death, so I don't see why those same memories couldn't be downloaded to two or more bodies at the same time. Memories are not the same as consciousness. The process is destructive to the brain. At the moment of death, the implant transfers each neuron instantaneously, destroying the "original" in the process. Since you asked, here is info on cloning. And here's the article on the burning scanner. Now this is all for capsuleers in EVE. The process has changed somewhat in DUST, do to some technological advances, but the basics should be the same. The capsuleer cloning process is only destructive b/c of the speed at which it happens (almost instantaneously) to ensure copy before pod-death. Cloning in a lab is not destructive and is used by Capsuleers and social elites to travel across the galaxy by way of mind transfer. Having multiple clones active, each sharing a copy of your consciousness is possible, but the process is highly regulated to prevent that and is considered a social taboo. The practice is highly illegal and getting caught, among other things, usually results in the destruction of all "copied" biological materials. You better hope the authorities get who's not and clone and who is right when that happens. The Broker, a mysterious and extremely powerful business man in New Eden, operates with a network of spies that only he can trust - active clones of himself. He is so loyal to his own vision, that his clones will suicide rather than be identified.
Prince Ombra Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.09.09 23:59:00 - [8] - Quote Ah, there we go, thank you very much, I was wondering why there wasn't so much posthuman singularity sci-fi stuff, so it's some kind of social prohibition.
Drake Gro'Dar 19	Posted - 2012.09.10 00:40:00 - [9] - Quote Reminds me of the book Altered Carbon. But can you imagine even 5 clones fighting a war then all being transferred back to the host. It would totally fry your brain having 5 sets of memories and extra skills learned downloaded into one head. That's how I see it but my ideas are swayed by the sci fi stuff I've seen and not based on eve lore.
Dusty Mokong ZionTCD Legacy Rising 61	Posted - 2012.09.10 00:48:00 - [10] - Quote Nu11u5 wrote: Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Prince Ombra wrote: So the in-game reason is that human consciousness can only occupy one body at a time? Because the story fluff says that memories are downloaded to a new body at the moment of death, so I don't see why those same memories couldn't be downloaded to two or more bodies at the same time. Memories are not the same as consciousness. The process is destructive to the brain. At the moment of death, the implant transfers each neuron instantaneously, destroying the "original" in the process. Since you asked, here is info on cloning. And here's the article on the burning scanner. Now this is all for capsuleers in EVE. The process has changed somewhat in DUST, do to some technological advances, but the basics should be the same. The capsuleer cloning process is only destructive b/c of the speed at which it happens (almost instantaneously) to ensure copy before pod-death. Cloning in a lab is not destructive and is used by Capsuleers and social elites to travel across the galaxy by way of mind transfer. Having multiple clones active, each sharing a copy of your consciousness is possible, but the process is highly regulated to prevent that and is considered a social taboo. The practice is highly illegal and getting caught, among other things, usually results in the destruction of all "copied" biological materials. You better hope the authorities get who's not and clone and who is right when that happens. The Broker, a mysterious and extremely powerful business man in New Eden, operates with a network of spies that only he can trust - active clones of himself. He is so loyal to his own vision, that his clones will suicide rather than be identified. Ah yes. The Eve Online book , The Empyrean Age was surprisingly a good read :)

V4DOL Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 20	Posted - 2012.09.10 04:43:00 - [11] - Quote Read 'The Eternity Brigade'. Great old sci-fi book, quick read too. Should help get you in the frame of mind.


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