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Elijah Revan
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:12:00 -
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I'm just bringing out that when someone becomes a Sentinel when they first make their character, he is very much hopeless in combat. Unless he stays AWAY from the enemy's he's likely not going to get many kills because his primary weapon is the swarm launcher.
How I would fix the issue - Make it so Swarm launchers can only be used by heavy suits, and are a SECONDARY weapon with not so much ammunition. It would fix the issue of people spamming swarm launchers with any suits they can, fix the issue with starting heavy's not getting so many kills.
I KNOW that heavy's can use assault rifles and HMG's, but i am referring to the ones that do not, and want to actually be a sentinel.
So far, so good on the game CCP. Best Beta iv'e ever played, its like a drug, can never have to much of it XD lots of love from America everybody! |
Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
27
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:22:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:I'm just bringing out that when someone becomes a Sentinel when they first make their character, he is very much hopeless in combat. Unless he stays AWAY from the enemy's he's likely not going to get many kills because his primary weapon is the swarm launcher.
How I would fix the issue - Make it so Swarm launchers can only be used by heavy suits, and are a SECONDARY weapon with not so much ammunition. It would fix the issue of people spamming swarm launchers with any suits they can, fix the issue with starting heavy's not getting so many kills.
I KNOW that heavy's can use assault rifles and HMG's, but i am referring to the ones that do not, and want to actually be a sentinel.
So far, so good on the game CCP. Best Beta iv'e ever played, its like a drug, can never have to much of it XD lots of love from America everybody!
do you understand nothing about customization? Make your own fittings, that what I do each and every time, I don't like the militia modules assigned to them so I switch it to benefit my play style. They want swarms as a light weapon, if you want a heavy only anti vehicle weapon use the forge gun. The people that only use swarm launchers are the stupid people that don't know how to change it. CCP shouldn't change just for those people who are playing stupidly. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:23:00 -
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I recommend you get out of starter fit as soon as possible. Also, skill up your smg for cqc.
I recommend using swarms with an assault or scout, heavy is just too slow IMO . |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:25:00 -
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Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar wrote:Elijah Revan wrote:I'm just bringing out that when someone becomes a Sentinel when they first make their character, he is very much hopeless in combat. Unless he stays AWAY from the enemy's he's likely not going to get many kills because his primary weapon is the swarm launcher.
How I would fix the issue - Make it so Swarm launchers can only be used by heavy suits, and are a SECONDARY weapon with not so much ammunition. It would fix the issue of people spamming swarm launchers with any suits they can, fix the issue with starting heavy's not getting so many kills.
I KNOW that heavy's can use assault rifles and HMG's, but i am referring to the ones that do not, and want to actually be a sentinel.
So far, so good on the game CCP. Best Beta iv'e ever played, its like a drug, can never have to much of it XD lots of love from America everybody! do you understand nothing about customization? Make your own fittings, that what I do each and every time, I don't like the militia modules assigned to them so I switch it to benefit my play style. They want swarms as a light weapon, if you want a heavy only anti vehicle weapon use the forge gun. The people that only use swarm launchers are the stupid people that don't know how to change it. CCP shouldn't change just for those people who are playing stupidly.
If their was an actual tutorial people would know that so since there isn't they have to go through trial and error. The only idiot i see in this situation is you |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:32:00 -
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CCP stated they are working on new player experince as well. So hopefully that means better tutorials in the future. as it stands right now the community is the closest thing to a bootcamp we have. So help out when you can. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:02:00 -
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Heavies should start with HMG's, not swarm launchers. I mean really, who thought that one up? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Heavies should start with HMG's, not swarm launchers. I mean really, who thought that one up?
Not sure I question some other starter fits like why is most of them lacking armor repiars? |
Darky SI
232
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Heavies should start with HMG's, not swarm launchers. I mean really, who thought that one up? EXACTLY! I don't why CCP afraid of the heavy suit! they are too careful about it from being OP yet for the last 2 builds no amount of tweaking fixing could make it in bar with other guns *sigh* |
Clone Number 1
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:00:00 -
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As a long time heavy user the new nerf has almost crippled this suit. If we don't have our armor to protect us we can't move anywhere. If we get caugt out in the open I'm an instant death. AR users can shoot me from afar and drop me in a clip.
God forbid you get spawned anywhere in the open.
A heavies best weapon by ccp description is his armor. The ability to stand toe to toe with vehicles. Well we all know that was impossible but now its difficult to stand toe to toe with an ar gun.
I'm sure there is a reason for the nerf but if it continues this suit will be worthless.it moves to slow to have such weak armor. And it has no real ability to repair itself with. Yes teamwork I get it I have a couple logi buddies that run with me. But there life expectancy has been dropped as well if I can't tank for them so they would rather play other suits cause I die a lot now,
This suit and hmg have taken many hits. This suit has the potential to be a valuable asset to counter vehicles and be a force to be reckoned with in close quarters. But taking armor away and not having a real way of repairing our armor. We go from one battle to a death in the next unless we crawl in a corner and wait half the match to repair. |
Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
27
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:00:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar wrote:Elijah Revan wrote:I'm just bringing out that when someone becomes a Sentinel when they first make their character, he is very much hopeless in combat. Unless he stays AWAY from the enemy's he's likely not going to get many kills because his primary weapon is the swarm launcher.
How I would fix the issue - Make it so Swarm launchers can only be used by heavy suits, and are a SECONDARY weapon with not so much ammunition. It would fix the issue of people spamming swarm launchers with any suits they can, fix the issue with starting heavy's not getting so many kills.
I KNOW that heavy's can use assault rifles and HMG's, but i am referring to the ones that do not, and want to actually be a sentinel.
So far, so good on the game CCP. Best Beta iv'e ever played, its like a drug, can never have to much of it XD lots of love from America everybody! do you understand nothing about customization? Make your own fittings, that what I do each and every time, I don't like the militia modules assigned to them so I switch it to benefit my play style. They want swarms as a light weapon, if you want a heavy only anti vehicle weapon use the forge gun. The people that only use swarm launchers are the stupid people that don't know how to change it. CCP shouldn't change just for those people who are playing stupidly. If their was an actual tutorial people would know that so since there isn't they have to go through trial and error. The only idiot i see in this situation is you
I'm sorry that I think people should look around the AI before running of. This is meant as a smart game... Sorry for thinking people should be smart about playing it. |
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:07:00 -
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No tutorials like in eve just info. How exactly can someone learn without falling first or a teacher? |
Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
27
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:10:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:No tutorials like in eve just info. How exactly can someone learn without falling first or a teacher?
By actively searching, either reading forums or paying attention to detail. The learning curve for this game isn't that bad! It's just not cod so people hurdur when it isn't simple enough for them. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:23:00 -
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Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:No tutorials like in eve just info. How exactly can someone learn without falling first or a teacher? By actively searching, either reading forums or paying attention to detail. The learning curve for this game isn't that bad! It's just not cod so people hurdur when it isn't simple enough for them.
Not everyone is a forum warrior. Before this game i never checked any forum. In game it needs to be clearer on how things operate |
Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
27
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:34:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:No tutorials like in eve just info. How exactly can someone learn without falling first or a teacher? By actively searching, either reading forums or paying attention to detail. The learning curve for this game isn't that bad! It's just not cod so people hurdur when it isn't simple enough for them. Not everyone is a forum warrior. Before this game i never checked any forum. In game it needs to be clearer on how things operate
You don't have to be a forum warrior, but it is a tool to use if you need help. You asked how someone could learn without trial and error/failing, I answered. |
Skilfer
Nova Corps Marines
19
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:36:00 -
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Don't forget how terribly nerfed the forge gun is now too. It's worthless now. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:43:00 -
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Skilfer wrote:Don't forget how terribly nerfed the forge gun is now too. It's worthless now.
Heavies have been so horrifically butchered. It almost makes me feel bad for continuing to play scouts, I mean, what IS the heavies role now? At least before they could soak up some hits, if nothing else.
It's pathetic, really. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:44:00 -
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um what. just equip a different weapon noob |
DMH 2Krazy
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
14
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:46:00 -
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i have a heavy suit... i think it's just fine.
i use a type II wit htwo complex shiled extenders and an AR.
the HMG is too hard to handle with all the silly scout and assualt side to side strafing
but with an AR i keep up with the reall bad hit detection .. i can post up and go toe to toe and usually come out on top in a one on one fight.
it's simply a matter of finding a good balance to out last your opponents when you play heavy. |
Clone Number 1
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:50:00 -
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DMH 2Krazy wrote:i have a heavy suit... i think it's just fine.
i use a type II wit htwo complex shiled extenders and an AR.
the HMG is too hard to handle with all the silly scout and assualt side to side strafing
but with an AR i keep up with the reall bad hit detection .. i can post up and go toe to toe and usually come out on top in a one on one fight.
it's simply a matter of finding a good balance to out last your opponents when you play heavy.
I think you summarized it well a heavy with an AR just what it was designed for. |
Akuzuma Oppa
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:57:00 -
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DMH 2Krazy wrote:i have a heavy suit... i think it's just fine.
i use a type II wit htwo complex shiled extenders and an AR.
the HMG is too hard to handle with all the silly scout and assualt side to side strafing
but with an AR i keep up with the reall bad hit detection .. i can post up and go toe to toe and usually come out on top in a one on one fight.
it's simply a matter of finding a good balance to out last your opponents when you play heavy.
I thought heavy suits are meant to put fear in infantry and vehicles? Not just one or the other. |
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TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.09.01 21:01:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:I'm just bringing out that when someone becomes a Sentinel when they first make their character, he is very much hopeless in combat. Unless he stays AWAY from the enemy's he's likely not going to get many kills because his primary weapon is the swarm launcher.
How I would fix the issue - Make it so Swarm launchers can only be used by heavy suits, and are a SECONDARY weapon with not so much ammunition. It would fix the issue of people spamming swarm launchers with any suits they can, fix the issue with starting heavy's not getting so many kills.
I KNOW that heavy's can use assault rifles and HMG's, but i am referring to the ones that do not, and want to actually be a sentinel.
So far, so good on the game CCP. Best Beta iv'e ever played, its like a drug, can never have to much of it XD lots of love from America everybody!
Hush!
Dont listen to this man.
He lies. |
kalahari ilkeston
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2012.09.01 21:48:00 -
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They should make the differences between the suits very noticeable Assault should be in the middle some where Scouts should move much faster and have about half of the assault HP Heavy should have half the speed and have several times more armor then they do now
If you want to leave your slow moving heavy behind that is actually capable of tanking even as a newbie, that's your problem |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:18:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:I'm just bringing out that when someone becomes a Sentinel when they first make their character, he is very much hopeless in combat. Unless he stays AWAY from the enemy's he's likely not going to get many kills because his primary weapon is the swarm launcher.
How I would fix the issue - Make it so Swarm launchers can only be used by heavy suits, and are a SECONDARY weapon with not so much ammunition. It would fix the issue of people spamming swarm launchers with any suits they can, fix the issue with starting heavy's not getting so many kills.
I KNOW that heavy's can use assault rifles and HMG's, but i am referring to the ones that do not, and want to actually be a sentinel.
So far, so good on the game CCP. Best Beta iv'e ever played, its like a drug, can never have to much of it XD lots of love from America everybody!
LOL |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
421
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:20:00 -
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DMH 2Krazy wrote:i have a heavy suit... i think it's just fine.
i use a type II wit htwo complex shiled extenders and an AR.
the HMG is too hard to handle with all the silly scout and assualt side to side strafing
but with an AR i keep up with the reall bad hit detection .. i can post up and go toe to toe and usually come out on top in a one on one fight.
it's simply a matter of finding a good balance to out last your opponents when you play heavy.
Aren't you supposed to armor tank Amarr heavies? I mean, I know Armor Tanking is pretty bad in DUST at the moment, but this is just a fatkitten kittenault suit fit, not a Heavy. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:52:00 -
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no, shield tank heavy with tech 2 suit gives 480 shield 600 armor. Those shields rep up 15 times faster than armor does. Plus you add in a nanohive that repairs armor and your the hardest thing to kill on the battlefield. |
JoshuaEvil666
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
33
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:13:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Kyromus Lyndis Kytaar wrote:Elijah Revan wrote:I'm just bringing out that when someone becomes a Sentinel when they first make their character, he is very much hopeless in combat. Unless he stays AWAY from the enemy's he's likely not going to get many kills because his primary weapon is the swarm launcher.
How I would fix the issue - Make it so Swarm launchers can only be used by heavy suits, and are a SECONDARY weapon with not so much ammunition. It would fix the issue of people spamming swarm launchers with any suits they can, fix the issue with starting heavy's not getting so many kills.
I KNOW that heavy's can use assault rifles and HMG's, but i am referring to the ones that do not, and want to actually be a sentinel.
So far, so good on the game CCP. Best Beta iv'e ever played, its like a drug, can never have to much of it XD lots of love from America everybody! do you understand nothing about customization? Make your own fittings, that what I do each and every time, I don't like the militia modules assigned to them so I switch it to benefit my play style. They want swarms as a light weapon, if you want a heavy only anti vehicle weapon use the forge gun. The people that only use swarm launchers are the stupid people that don't know how to change it. CCP shouldn't change just for those people who are playing stupidly. If their was an actual tutorial people would know that so since there isn't they have to go through trial and error. The only idiot i see in this situation is you
Trial and error are part of the game fun :) |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:55:00 -
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Just put a help channel and have ISD volunteers like in EVE.. |
Clone Number 1
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:04:00 -
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crazy space wrote:no, shield tank heavy with tech 2 suit gives 480 shield 600 armor. Those shields rep up 15 times faster than armor does. Plus you add in a nanohive that repairs armor and your the hardest thing to kill on the battlefield.
Just to be clear it is 429 shield and 527 armor
And were do you put the nanohive? |
l8erXD
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:05:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:I'm just bringing out that when someone becomes a Sentinel when they first make their character, he is very much hopeless in combat. Unless he stays AWAY from the enemy's he's likely not going to get many kills because his primary weapon is the swarm launcher.
How I would fix the issue - Make it so Swarm launchers can only be used by heavy suits, and are a SECONDARY weapon with not so much ammunition. It would fix the issue of people spamming swarm launchers with any suits they can, fix the issue with starting heavy's not getting so many kills.
I KNOW that heavy's can use assault rifles and HMG's, but i am referring to the ones that do not, and want to actually be a sentinel.
So far, so good on the game CCP. Best Beta iv'e ever played, its like a drug, can never have to much of it XD lots of love from America everybody! I have killed many heavies in my skinweave logi dropsuit and assualt rifle and most of them were with machine guns so I would say its pretty danm epic. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:46:00 -
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Clone Number 1 wrote:And were do you put the nanohive?
Why don't you ask your mom?
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