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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

mikegunnz wrote:

Just took a look.

Let me get this straight...

A FREE militia assault suit

HAS THE EXACT SAME STATS FOR EVERYTHING

As a 125,000 isk proto assault suit.

Only difference is that the proto suit has more slots and more CPU/PG

Shocked

That's rediculous. Roll

I'm all for trying to keep the game balanced, but this is not quite right. If you want to nerf the armor/shield values of the proto suit, I'm ok with that, but at least make the cost a little more reasonable. Perhaps 75,000 isk?

Otherwise, keep the old stats the way they were, and keep the cost high.

It's not that the nerf is huge, but there should be a little more differentiation between a free suit and one that costs 125k isk.

PS. I'm for leaving the "new" nerfed armor/shield values as is, but at least make the adv/proto suits a LITTLE cheaper.

I like how they wanna make gear matter less and only giving slight advantages but the cost of the adv and proto suits need a drastic drop now tbh

once the price drops it should do what it was intended and give a slight advantage over the tier below it and also more flexibility in customization which im kool with....prices tho....get on that CCP

The prices are fine, you just have to be a smart spender to not lose all ISK. Also, if you could see your salvage, you'd have A LOT more ISK, I personally would have over 35 million, but how well the fitted up suit handle is what you want to see.

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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.31 14:47:00 - [1] - Quote Just take a look at all the suit hp values. You'll see that most prototype suits have be severely reduced. This is temporary mind you they're looking into something not working right. Either way downgrade your suits for the weekend at least.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:14:00 - [2] - Quote Just took a look. Let me get this straight... A FREE militia assault suit HAS THE EXACT SAME STATS FOR EVERYTHING As a 125,000 isk proto assault suit. Only difference is that the proto suit has more slots and more CPU/PG That's rediculous. I'm all for trying to keep the game balanced, but this is not quite right. If you want to nerf the armor/shield values of the proto suit, I'm ok with that, but at least make the cost a little more reasonable. Perhaps 75,000 isk? Otherwise, keep the old stats the way they were, and keep the cost high. It's not that the nerf is huge, but there should be a little more differentiation between a free suit and one that costs 125k isk. PS. I'm for leaving the "new" nerfed armor/shield values as is, but at least make the adv/proto suits a LITTLE cheaper.
Soleire 90	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:17:00 - [3] - Quote Heavy vk.0 was nerfed a whole 430 armor hp! why?!?
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:18:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Frame mentioned this being temporary in another thread. They must be trying to test out tank v. tank combat for the corp battles or something. Still seems a bit unfair to folks who dumped all those points into suit skills, while my Dragonfly is a 4.5mi SP passive bonus beast.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:18:00 - [5] - Quote Uhh...when did they do this? This has to be a glitch. Who in their right mind would pay over 120k for something that has the same resistance as something for free? I mean, I wouldn't even pay that much for the old stats.....lmfao, fail.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:19:00 - [6] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: test out tank v. tank combat As if they don't have enough data for that already >_<
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:20:00 - [7] - Quote This is temporary mind you they're looking into something not working right. Either way downgrade your suits for the weekend at least.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:22:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Knarf Black wrote: test out tank v. tank combat As if they don't have enough data for that already >_< I dunno. I've mostly seen tank v. hapless burning victims this build. I was looking forward to breaking out the aurum Swarm Launchers, but it sounds like I'm going to be either running a turret or padding someones HAV KDR.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 369	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:22:00 - [9] - Quote There's no point using Advanced Assault suits over Type-II right now. You can get pretty much the same HP with the Type-II, while also having slightly higher movement and sprint speed than the Advanced suit.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:28:00 - [10] - Quote Shame, i think its much better this way. Got a link for that post?
D'Finn Rhedlyne Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 266	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:32:00 - [11] - Quote I think this is so certain persistant squads (you know who you are) just dont steamroll their way to victory over the course of this weekends events. Level the playing field a little, so to speak. Any news on tanks being nerfed too???
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:44:00 - [12] - Quote mikegunnz wrote: Just took a look. Let me get this straight... A FREE militia assault suit HAS THE EXACT SAME STATS FOR EVERYTHING As a 125,000 isk proto assault suit. Only difference is that the proto suit has more slots and more CPU/PG That's rediculous. I'm all for trying to keep the game balanced, but this is not quite right. If you want to nerf the armor/shield values of the proto suit, I'm ok with that, but at least make the cost a little more reasonable. Perhaps 75,000 isk? Otherwise, keep the old stats the way they were, and keep the cost high. It's not that the nerf is huge, but there should be a little more differentiation between a free suit and one that costs 125k isk. PS. I'm for leaving the "new" nerfed armor/shield values as is, but at least make the adv/proto suits a LITTLE cheaper. I like how they wanna make gear matter less and only giving slight advantages but the cost of the adv and proto suits need a drastic drop now tbh once the price drops it should do what it was intended and give a slight advantage over the tier below it and also more flexibility in customization which im kool with....prices tho....get on that CCP
Sin3 DeusNomine Doomheim 142	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:46:00 - [13] - Quote ahh really the slots on all the other suits make up more then enough for that reduction. The heavyies are the only one that took the hit hard because of there lack of slots.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:48:00 - [14] - Quote D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote: I think this is so certain persistant squads (you know who you are) just dont steamroll their way to victory over the course of this weekends events. Level the playing field a little, so to speak. Any news on tanks being nerfed too??? Uhm Im one of those guys in the persistent groups that still runs around in militia.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:52:00 - [15] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: mikegunnz wrote: Just took a look. Let me get this straight... A FREE militia assault suit HAS THE EXACT SAME STATS FOR EVERYTHING As a 125,000 isk proto assault suit. Only difference is that the proto suit has more slots and more CPU/PG That's rediculous. I'm all for trying to keep the game balanced, but this is not quite right. If you want to nerf the armor/shield values of the proto suit, I'm ok with that, but at least make the cost a little more reasonable. Perhaps 75,000 isk? Otherwise, keep the old stats the way they were, and keep the cost high. It's not that the nerf is huge, but there should be a little more differentiation between a free suit and one that costs 125k isk. PS. I'm for leaving the "new" nerfed armor/shield values as is, but at least make the adv/proto suits a LITTLE cheaper. I like how they wanna make gear matter less and only giving slight advantages but the cost of the adv and proto suits need a drastic drop now tbh once the price drops it should do what it was intended and give a slight advantage over the tier below it and also more flexibility in customization which im kool with....prices tho....get on that CCP The prices are fine, you just have to be a smart spender to not lose all ISK. Also, if you could see your salvage, you'd have A LOT more ISK, I personally would have over 35 million, but how well the fitted up suit handle is what you want to see.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:52:00 - [16] - Quote I think the Drop suit changes are great, it makes things more level and puts more emphasis on people skilling their modules and not just rushing for a protosuit and weapon. I don't think the AV changes work though, the last few matchs have been tank fests and we've not really had any way to counter them due to the reduction in dmg.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.08.31 15:53:00 - [17] - Quote Sin3 DeusNomine wrote: ahh really the slots on all the other suits make up more then enough for that reduction. The heavyies are the only one that took the hit hard because of there lack of slots. Considering the costs involved, I disagree. Nobody is going to want to pay for their slot advantage when the stats and survivability have been gimped.
Laz Ulian Sol Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 187	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:19:00 - [18] - Quote So apparently, a reasonable price to the amount of improvements you get is for the most part the going argument... When the marauders had this exact same thing happen everyone said "Good, those HAV drivers deserve it." I'm not too annoyed at all by any of this.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:24:00 - [19] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: mikegunnz wrote: Just took a look. Let me get this straight... A FREE militia assault suit HAS THE EXACT SAME STATS FOR EVERYTHING As a 125,000 isk proto assault suit. Only difference is that the proto suit has more slots and more CPU/PG That's rediculous. I'm all for trying to keep the game balanced, but this is not quite right. If you want to nerf the armor/shield values of the proto suit, I'm ok with that, but at least make the cost a little more reasonable. Perhaps 75,000 isk? Otherwise, keep the old stats the way they were, and keep the cost high. It's not that the nerf is huge, but there should be a little more differentiation between a free suit and one that costs 125k isk. PS. I'm for leaving the "new" nerfed armor/shield values as is, but at least make the adv/proto suits a LITTLE cheaper. I like how they wanna make gear matter less and only giving slight advantages but the cost of the adv and proto suits need a drastic drop now tbh once the price drops it should do what it was intended and give a slight advantage over the tier below it and also more flexibility in customization which im kool with....prices tho....get on that CCP The prices are fine, you just have to be a smart spender to not lose all ISK. Also, if you could see your salvage, you'd have A LOT more ISK, I personally would have over 35 million, but how well the fitted up suit handle is what you want to see. I'm ok with nerfing the higher tier suits. Make the game a little more balanced and reward player skill. It just seems that the price should be brought down SLIGHTLY. I'm ok with the price of modules, weapons, etc, as that can double the cost of a proto fit, but a least get the cost of the adv/proto suit down a little. Doesn't seem to be proportionate to the benefits it gives you....especially since NOW, the only benefits are extra modules slots, which in themselves cost more isk. Like I said earlier, I'd be ok with the "new" stats, but the cost of the suits needs to be reduced a little. Now if this change is temporary, then nvm.
Laz Ulian Sol Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 187	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:27:00 - [20] - Quote You know what...for fun you guys should read about this.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:28:00 - [21] - Quote Laz Ulian Sol wrote: "Good, those HAV drivers deserve it." Except you HAV drivers DID deserve it, instead of free kills now they're just severely discounted. Screw skilling into higher suits lmfao, sucks for you tools that did >_<
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:34:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Laz Ulian Sol wrote: "Good, those HAV drivers deserve it." Except you HAV drivers DID deserve it, instead of free kills now they're just severely discounted. Screw skilling into higher suits lmfao, sucks for you tools that did >_< Lol, I was going to use the million SP, from this weekend's event to skill into an adv suit, guess I'll stick with my militia fits and just work my my AR proficiency. @ Laz: Tanks were way OP, in prior build, but I agree with you, seems there should be a greater benefit. (although not much) I'd be for the change you propose, but FIRST they need to un-gimp the SL and FG. They're all but useless now...especially the SL.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:40:00 - [23] - Quote Laz Ulian Sol wrote: You know what...for fun you guys should read about this. Congrats! Your tank that can no longer even be scratched by AV infantry now costs more. Maybe someday when you lose one it will actually matter. I wish we knew what the heck CCP's master plan was for all this is.
Laz Ulian Sol Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 187	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:48:00 - [24] - Quote mikegunnz wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Laz Ulian Sol wrote: "Good, those HAV drivers deserve it." Except you HAV drivers DID deserve it, instead of free kills now they're just severely discounted. Screw skilling into higher suits lmfao, sucks for you tools that did >_< Lol, I was going to use the million SP, from this weekend's event to skill into an adv suit, guess I'll stick with my militia fits and just work my my AR proficiency. @ Laz: Tanks were way OP, in prior build, but I agree with you, seems there should be a greater benefit. (although not much) I'd be for the change you propose, but FIRST they need to un-gimp the SL and FG. They're all but useless now...especially the SL. Yes I completely agree with SL an FG. They should not have been nerfed. And also I pretty much agreed before that tanks were pretty much "Overused" and that the price increase was welcome. It's just that they removed the 1.5 multiplier and changed around a lot of stats that make the price increase not match the benefits right out. It's basically the same argument as the price being too high for these now weakened dropsuits. The benefits don't match the price. Just like the benefits of a marauder don't match the price I'm not asking for tank overpowered domination really, if anything I'm more of an infantry guy; but as an observer I just thought it was funny people see a temporary decrease in armor and shield for proto and then go to one of the big arguments used back in the tank nerf days. At least I thought it was funny.

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