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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:06:00 -
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Firstly. No trolling. I just want to see who's interested, if we can get numbers, and go from there.
I say there is an idealogical barrier we are breaking with Dust. I'm interested to know (especially from people in "existing" corps) what they do in a given situation. It'd be nice to see if we could get rosters for a match on release.
Here's the situation...
You are killed by someone 50 yards from the objective by a chap camping the hack point.
Do you;
A.) change loadout to snipe him, drop in a tank, get a heavy suit and go native on him?
B.) respawn most likely in the same gear, and go back being more careful, maybe grouping up, but essentially taking the same gear as you had before (provided it is in someway capable of killing the enemy).
The A side players have the adapt or die mentality.
The B side players have a get good mentality.
Adapt or Die seems to refer to choices in menus rather than choices on then field. I'm not saying that you don't play a scout different to a heavy though.
Get good ideally refers to improving your abilities to kill an opponent regardless of equipment.
I like to reside in camp B.
No trolling now. |
Icy Tiger
496
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:08:00 -
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Option C: Ragequit. |
Lassa Blake
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:11:00 -
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Option B
It's my fault to be sniped, not the fit, if it isn't broken, why fix it? |
Ayures II
33
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:12:00 -
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It's almost like option B is adapting your strategy to the situation. |
Omnipotent lilmamaj
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
205
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:14:00 -
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If you kill me with something that isn't over powered I will applaud your talents unless you were being a head glitching scrub muffin. Both choices A and B are adapt or die examples. Look at them more closely. Skill over adaptation. |
Unit-775
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:14:00 -
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Option A
and after i killed him i gona work on Option B: |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:17:00 -
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Both options are "adapt or die" to me. You are adapting your behavior and/or gear to the situation. I think "adapt or die" is just a more blunt way of saying "get good" |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:17:00 -
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Both |
Carilito
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:19:00 -
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Depends on where the sniper is?
If hes in the hill or an area not easily gotten to, a counter snipe fit is ideal. On the other hand if hes camping from a place I can take an LAV or run to without giving him to much of a predictable path then Ill run the same logi - AR, up link, and nano fit to kill him. Its free to lose and after he is dead you go drop your equipment by objectives, hack them fast, defend them well and wait for re spawns from the up link to help. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:19:00 -
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B baby. And to all those snipers that take a shot at me on that open hilly map be warned I'm on my way.
Don't poke the bear. |
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Garl Dravon
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:27:00 -
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What you're really asking is do you:
Fix the problem [Change gear to wipe out the sniper]
or
Avoid the problem [Change your strategy to not have to deal with him]
I've noticed a lot of players start feeling a kind of learned helplessness after a few deaths. It's the ones who adapt who aren't making topics about overpowered tanks, haha. |
Arbor Viridanus
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:30:00 -
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B, although that's more because I've focused so heavily on Logistics that I have no other options. It works for me, though. |
Pent'noir
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:38:00 -
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There is no black/white options like this, only shades of grey that change depending on the situation. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:49:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Option C: Ragequit.
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Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:53:00 -
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No one said sniper - this could just be a heavy or other close quarters combatant. Could also be someone with a mass driver or forge gun as, for example. And he didn't say that people would avoid him, just try different tactics like using stealth. This is an adaptation as well. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:36:00 -
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Option D ( the real adapt or die option.)
Analyze why you lost that last battle with your squad, talk it over, come up with better fits to counter the furture similar scenario, analyze why the hostile was so succesful, explore, cross educate, designate plans ,locations , prepardness, pre supply, observe, reserve, test, trial, repeat, refine. Adapt or Die trying. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:08:00 -
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option:E dont get shot in the first place because i was looking around and making sure that i wasnt in an open position in the first place. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:13:00 -
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idk tony but +1 for trying make me think to hard at this hour |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:23:00 -
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Option F: Go to the forums and say whatever class/weapon/vehicle/tactic the guy used against me is broken/OP/needs a nerf/is childish/is like COD/does not require tactics/insert nerf excuses. |
CacheMonet
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
19
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:24:00 -
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I tend to spawn at a different spot... look for the smoke from the fire.. spot him making smores over the fire.. sneak up on him real close like.. let off one round to startle him.. when he turns around... unload a fully upgraded clip of SMG in his face... I want him to SEE who just pwned him....... frackin campers!! 
NOTE:.. not sure if that's A or B... |
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Arbor Viridanus
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Option D ( the real adapt or die option.)
Analyze why you lost that last battle with your squad, talk it over, come up with better fits to counter the furture similar scenario, analyze why the hostile was so succesful, explore, cross educate, designate plans ,locations , prepardness, pre supply, observe, reserve, test, trial, repeat, refine. Adapt or Die trying.
I think that OP was referring to tactics, not strategy, but this is still a good post. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United
Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Option D ( the real adapt or die option.)
Analyze why you lost that last battle with your squad, talk it over, come up with better fits to counter the furture similar scenario, analyze why the hostile was so succesful, explore, cross educate, designate plans ,locations , prepardness, pre supply, observe, reserve, test, trial, repeat, refine. Adapt or Die trying.
This!!! A million times this. If it works in EvE it will work here. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:41:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Both
^ +1
Decision always depends on other situational information. To be in one camp or the other is an ideology-based handicap.
The best ideology is no ideology at all.....but damn, that's an ideology too =P
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:46:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Both ^ +1 Decision always depends on other situational information. To be in one camp or the other is an ideology-based handicap. The best ideology is no ideology at all.....but damn, that's an ideology too =P
Not really think of it as more of a reaction |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:55:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Option C: Ragequit.
lol +1
I'm in camp B 90% of the time. The only time I ever change classes is if I need to hard-counter the enemy. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.08.23 07:03:00 -
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Sniper in a scout suit shoots me and I go looking.
Scout suit shoots me again with SMG.
I go back with scout suit SMG and scout kills me with SMG.
I go back with scout suit and SHOTGUN and enemy scout suit kills me again with the SMG despite my shooting the SHOTGUN at POINTBLANK range.
Therefore option F:
Kitten! the kitten! bad hit detection and the kitten low life kitten horse that it rode in on!! |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.23 12:04:00 -
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Option A is the same as option B
Adapt or die |
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