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Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:52:00 -
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From the wiki "Burden of proof is also an important concept in the public arena of ideas. Assuming both sides have agreed to reasoned discourse." when has a game forum ever been "reasoned discourse"? No reasoned discourse so no need for burden of proof however you could use quantum entanglement. Viewing the server determines its value of on or off. Check Schr+¦dinger's cat. Lol thats what I look at when servers are down lol |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:57:00 -
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Dane Stark wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:From the wiki "Burden of proof is also an important concept in the public arena of ideas. Assuming both sides have agreed to reasoned discourse." when has a game forum ever been "reasoned discourse"? No reasoned discourse so no need for burden of proof however you could use quantum entanglement. Viewing the server determines its value of on or off. Check Schr+¦dinger's cat. Lol thats what I look at when servers are down lol Schr+¦dinger implies multiverse [as long as you don't look in the box of course]
Right so OP is right the server is up somewhere lol |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:17:00 -
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I understand Schr+¦dinger's cat only to the point that viewing it sets the results. Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:38:00 -
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It's all quantum theory, it's been well known in the scientific community since the 30's with guys like Einstien and Schrodinger. I just looked it up on Wikipedia a few moths ago cuz I saw something on it on tv. |
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:44:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:troll post turned into highly intelligent discussion... Now I've officially seen the most unlikely of events
Maybe there is hope for the world lol |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 04:05:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Dane Stark wrote:could be is fine and you are right - most of the time - these actual science debates are screwy due to lack of common reference but then again, what isnt these days - but a war of semantics. I just want to point out that the concept of every option being calculated (in this case every dish has been created) at some point. So, in the many worlds theory, one of each path exists simultaneously with different outcomes depending on the state of the variables when you observe it or solve it
The answer domain for what's in the box is all states of the menu Well then it seems, even if we do accept the many worlds theory, that the question falls into a sort of equivocation trap. In other words, when we say "possibility X is this and that and that, etc" we're using different definitions of "is" (before and after we check the box). Unless we want that definition to include every possible other world and all events/objects therein. And once we do that, it seems all epistemic (knowledge-based) claims become meaningless, because even once you saw the cat as alive or dead, let's say alive, couldn't you also say the cat is dead (again, if we use the definition of "is" that includes all possible other worlds) because in another world it is, in fact, dead? Once you allow for that, all statements become meaningless since their exact opposite or any other variations would be true too.
I like the discussion on what "is" means. But when you see the cat it can no longer be alive and dead because seeing it defines it. It is only both when it is unseen and so undefined. |
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Posted - 2012.08.18 04:19:00 -
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In a way it is the same word. While the cat is unseen it "is" both alive and dead because it's still at an unknown state and then once you see it, the cat is whatever you observed it as. The hard part isn't the word "is" the hard part is understanding that the cat can be both alive and dead in the same space in the same version on the world and only upon observation does it become what you see when the box is opened. |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 04:38:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:In a way it is the same word. While the cat is unseen it "is" both alive and dead because it's still at an unknown state and then once you see it, the cat is whatever you observed it as. The hard part isn't the word "is" the hard part is understanding that the cat can be both alive and dead in the same space in the same version on the world and only upon observation does it become what you see when the box is opened. Then I guess I'll never get it, because if you want to say it is both alive and dead at the same time, in this world, then to me that statement is just gibberish. The definitions don't allow it to be both at the same time in the same place. It just seems to me that you're talking about potential, in which case we should be using the words "could be". And I'm not entirely sure it's a question of semantics, because it appears as if people are fine with accepting the contradiction.
Not sure if this clears it up or not but I got this from the wiki: Quantum superposition is a fundamental principle of quantum mechanics. It holds that a physical systemGÇösuch as an electronGÇöexists partly in all its particular, theoretically possible states (or, configuration of its properties) simultaneously; but, when measured, it gives a result corresponding to only one of the possible configurations (as described in interpretation of quantum mechanics). |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 04:46:00 -
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Greiskind wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:In a way it is the same word. While the cat is unseen it "is" both alive and dead because it's still at an unknown state and then once you see it, the cat is whatever you observed it as. The hard part isn't the word "is" the hard part is understanding that the cat can be both alive and dead in the same space in the same version on the world and only upon observation does it become what you see when the box is opened. The cat would say you are all wrong. From the cat's point of view, none of you exist until some force opens the box.
I didn't want to throw that out but is the the cat that changes when the box opens or is it your perception of the reality of the cat that changes? I just heard your minds being blown lol |
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