DUST Search - The 1200 AUR dropsuits

Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:

Get real people....

This is EXACTLY what we're in store for.....

The arguement of 'Pay to Win' is always that you can achieve the same without paying. Well, you can..... but its gonna take a hell of a lot of work. It is never going to be 'fair' from the perspective of a non-paying gamer. This is the same for every f2p game,,, and the same as happens with DCUO (the other mmo on ps3 which made it possible to compete without paying, just it took a long time)

Paying will essentially remove the need for endless grinding,,, so higher level suits will inevitably appear sooner or later

Why when they say its a f2p game do people assume that means they don't intend to make money from it??? There has to be a benefit/incentive for paying with AUR otherwise the game will generate nothing and be shutdown-- unless CCP are some philanthropic company ive never heard of.....

If you expect to play a game of this quality (for the final build im assuming lol) for free,,, without any penalties for playing it free..... THEN YOU"RE DREAMING!

Personally i think its fine,,,, buy stuff and get a boost over others,,, or grind your way through the game and be the ultimate cheapskate---- there's an arguement for AUR items to be available for ISK,,, but im under the impression this will be possible once player markets open, so problem solved...

I think the real fear for people is those who will quite happily spend -ú100 a month to get real far ahead.... while this will be annoying fighting against them, they're basically paying for us all to play the game,,,, and i doubt there'll be a huge amount of people playing like this. As has been said before, whatever you buy, you can't really escape the necessity of skill when it boils down to it...

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The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:39:00 - [1] - Quote Allright last night i got 1 of them and its the Raven skinned assault dropsuit from MAG and yes its a blueprint so 1 time buy and keep it forever. Im wondering if CCP plans on to bring aswell advanced-prototype AUR blueprint versions aswell. Like 2400 AUR for advanced and 3600 AUR for prototype. If you are really into this game you maybe gonna buy them just to get a way around the insane ISK prices that we are experience at the moment. I could even imagine vehicles payd with AUR in a special skin and as blueprint. CCP has to watch out to not inbalance the game to much with AUR items.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote no prototype BPOs will be bad and takes away the consequences for a 1 time fee
Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:42:00 - [3] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Allright last night i got 1 of them and its the Raven skinned assault dropsuit from MAG and yes its a blueprint so 1 time buy and keep it forever. Im wondering if CCP plans on to bring aswell advanced-prototype AUR blueprint versions aswell. Like 2400 AUR for advanced and 3600 AUR for prototype. If you are really into this game you maybe gonna buy them just to get a way around the insane ISK prices that we are experience at the moment. I could even imagine vehicles payd with AUR in a special skin and as blueprint. CCP has to watch out to not inbalance the game to much with AUR items. That's pay to win, which is not what dust is about
Mr Funless Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 191	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:43:00 - [4] - Quote That would make the pay2win critics be right.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:45:00 - [5] - Quote Drommy Hood wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Allright last night i got 1 of them and its the Raven skinned assault dropsuit from MAG and yes its a blueprint so 1 time buy and keep it forever. Im wondering if CCP plans on to bring aswell advanced-prototype AUR blueprint versions aswell. Like 2400 AUR for advanced and 3600 AUR for prototype. If you are really into this game you maybe gonna buy them just to get a way around the insane ISK prices that we are experience at the moment. I could even imagine vehicles payd with AUR in a special skin and as blueprint. CCP has to watch out to not inbalance the game to much with AUR items. That's pay to win, which is not what dust is about Well we have allready standard dropsuit blueprints. Just a matter of time until we get to advanced blueprints. How you think CCP wants else to make money quickly? And how some 1 else sayd: "Eve aint fair so life with it".
Ad ski IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:48:00 - [6] - Quote You can make money quickly but doing that will lose you lots of customers. Not only that but it will tarnish your rep making it even harder should you wish to release a new game. Would you as a company want to be known as the guys who just wanted to make a quick buck?
Mr Funless Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 191	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:50:00 - [7] - Quote Ad ski wrote: You can make money quickly but doing that will lose you lots of customers. Not only that but it will tarnish your rep making it even harder should you wish to release a new game. Would you as a company want to be known as the guys who just wanted to make a quick buck? Exactly. CCP already went through hell with the $70 monocle.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:57:00 - [8] - Quote The issue with the monacle was it is a $70 vanity item you can lose if you are podded (your ship is killed, then they kill your body). 3600 aur for a blueprint is far more useful, but yes probably wouldn't be a great idea, even though you can probably buy ISK for real money at some point. You can do that in EVE, and if you want to pay $1k cash for some huge ship, then it's your money, but there are other options. I'd definitely consider buying a BPO of a Viper though, either with ISK or AUR.
Jimbo Boilstaff Algintal Core Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:05:00 - [9] - Quote Get real people.... This is EXACTLY what we're in store for..... The arguement of 'Pay to Win' is always that you can achieve the same without paying. Well, you can..... but its gonna take a hell of a lot of work. It is never going to be 'fair' from the perspective of a non-paying gamer. This is the same for every f2p game,,, and the same as happens with DCUO (the other mmo on ps3 which made it possible to compete without paying, just it took a long time) Paying will essentially remove the need for endless grinding,,, so higher level suits will inevitably appear sooner or later Why when they say its a f2p game do people assume that means they don't intend to make money from it??? There has to be a benefit/incentive for paying with AUR otherwise the game will generate nothing and be shutdown-- unless CCP are some philanthropic company ive never heard of..... If you expect to play a game of this quality (for the final build im assuming lol) for free,,, without any penalties for playing it free..... THEN YOU"RE DREAMING! Personally i think its fine,,,, buy stuff and get a boost over others,,, or grind your way through the game and be the ultimate cheapskate---- there's an arguement for AUR items to be available for ISK,,, but im under the impression this will be possible once player markets open, so problem solved... I think the real fear for people is those who will quite happily spend -ú100 a month to get real far ahead.... while this will be annoying fighting against them, they're basically paying for us all to play the game,,,, and i doubt there'll be a huge amount of people playing like this. As has been said before, whatever you buy, you can't really escape the necessity of skill when it boils down to it...
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:18:00 - [10] - Quote Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: Get real people.... This is EXACTLY what we're in store for..... The arguement of 'Pay to Win' is always that you can achieve the same without paying. Well, you can..... but its gonna take a hell of a lot of work. It is never going to be 'fair' from the perspective of a non-paying gamer. This is the same for every f2p game,,, and the same as happens with DCUO (the other mmo on ps3 which made it possible to compete without paying, just it took a long time) Paying will essentially remove the need for endless grinding,,, so higher level suits will inevitably appear sooner or later Why when they say its a f2p game do people assume that means they don't intend to make money from it??? There has to be a benefit/incentive for paying with AUR otherwise the game will generate nothing and be shutdown-- unless CCP are some philanthropic company ive never heard of..... If you expect to play a game of this quality (for the final build im assuming lol) for free,,, without any penalties for playing it free..... THEN YOU"RE DREAMING! Personally i think its fine,,,, buy stuff and get a boost over others,,, or grind your way through the game and be the ultimate cheapskate---- there's an arguement for AUR items to be available for ISK,,, but im under the impression this will be possible once player markets open, so problem solved... I think the real fear for people is those who will quite happily spend -ú100 a month to get real far ahead.... while this will be annoying fighting against them, they're basically paying for us all to play the game,,,, and i doubt there'll be a huge amount of people playing like this. As has been said before, whatever you buy, you can't really escape the necessity of skill when it boils down to it... This.

Iceyburnz 316	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:26:00 - [11] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: no prototype BPOs will be bad and takes away the consequences for a 1 time fee Hmm no. Your missing an important piece, the face that a BLue Print requires materials to build the object it is a blueprint for. We don;t have industry yet. Even though you own the blueprint doesn't mean your get x infinite amounts of the object. That and drop suits are exactly the same except for the colour. Drop suits confer no "early stats" advantage.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:47:00 - [12] - Quote The unlimited item bluprints for anything above miliia/standard would mess up game by removing risk, and make it pay to win. The standard unlimited blueprints shouldn't be to common either, fine now few new added at launch and expansions would be good. Make ccp more money then if available all at once, and have softer impact on game. Buying militia vehicle bpo back with aur would be ok, not needed to use them and the isk vehicles are much better. EvE style bpo for better items, were they only let you build something by spending materials(few percent cheaper in isk) a unlimited time would be needed for industry(if game has both, current bpo needs name change). Or aur to unlock buying aur suit for normal isk price. current bpo militia suits and modules/sever suit/raven suit/valor suite/dragonfly suit/skinweave suit/toxin smg/militia lav adding one or two with each/launch/expansion/special offer bundle won't make it pay to win, and will make them collectible so some will buy them all even if they never use them. Secondary market will even resell them for isk eventually.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:39:00 - [13] - Quote Well look it from a different perspective: people who get AUR basically pay the devs, the server costs, maintaining costs, investment to add new created items, new maps and probs a ton of more stuff that we will see in future. After all everything costs money in this world. And yes AUR items give you a advantage. Just think of it alot of AUR weapons require either less skill to use or have a lower CPU/PG requirement. Now if you look at this from the view of a full proto ISK player and a full proto AUR player who do you think has the upper hand? The guy who spend money on his gear or the guy who didnt? The AUR player might have higher shields, better armor, a better weapon and better equipment at the same PG/CPU that would a normal player has. And yes the concept is pay to win. But this is a FPS game mainly and you have to consider skill aswell. A very accurate and good player can stand against a n00b who runs around with AUR equipment. AUR objects are there to give you a unfair advantage. Look at the SP gain booster. You get after each match 50% more SP and this means you get (in theory) the same amount of SP in 2 matches as a guy who played 3. Another thing is new games cost here around 60Gé¼ while Dust 514 is basically for free. i could just go and spend 60Gé¼ to get a big AUR wallet and be ahead as the most players.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:47:00 - [14] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Drommy Hood wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Allright last night i got 1 of them and its the Raven skinned assault dropsuit from MAG and yes its a blueprint so 1 time buy and keep it forever. Im wondering if CCP plans on to bring aswell advanced-prototype AUR blueprint versions aswell. Like 2400 AUR for advanced and 3600 AUR for prototype. If you are really into this game you maybe gonna buy them just to get a way around the insane ISK prices that we are experience at the moment. I could even imagine vehicles payd with AUR in a special skin and as blueprint. CCP has to watch out to not inbalance the game to much with AUR items. That's pay to win, which is not what dust is about Well we have allready standard dropsuit blueprints. Just a matter of time until we get to advanced blueprints. How you think CCP wants else to make money quickly? And how some 1 else sayd: "Eve aint fair so life with it". its actually NOT making them money tbh having u buy more useable AUR dropsuits and gear over time makes them money a one time fee doesnt lolstandard dont think anyone cares that we got standard BPOs considering they are basically the same grade as militia gear tbh
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:55:00 - [15] - Quote Even if you buy expensive AUR advacned and prototype stuff as BPO, it still takes the required time to get the skill points for it. And as long as it is a balanced item, it will not ruin the game and make it pay to win. There are many ways to make BPO prototype items not over powered. You can also make their price points high so a smaller number of people have them and they are not running rampant.
Arborius Veredus 31	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:18:00 - [16] - Quote Iceyburnz wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: no prototype BPOs will be bad and takes away the consequences for a 1 time fee Hmm no. Your missing an important piece, the face that a BLue Print requires materials to build the object it is a blueprint for. We don;t have industry yet. Even though you own the blueprint doesn't mean your get x infinite amounts of the object. That and drop suits are exactly the same except for the colour. Drop suits confer no "early stats" advantage. This. EVE Players have BPOs as well, but that just means they can make the object without spending ISK as long as they have the materials. I imagine it will be the same for the grunts planetside.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:23:00 - [17] - Quote The BPO is a short cut to avoid paying ISK but also its a one time payment of AUR, now anyone could easily drop 50quid at chrismas and go this way if they wanted to Some will stick with ISK, some will go AUR but we dont know if advanced or proto BPO will be made available Also ther is no mids/weapon BPO either at so you still need ISK or you will be buying aurum every month
dukeEarl 9	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:48:00 - [18] - Quote Drommy Hood wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Allright last night i got 1 of them and its the Raven skinned assault dropsuit from MAG and yes its a blueprint so 1 time buy and keep it forever. Im wondering if CCP plans on to bring aswell advanced-prototype AUR blueprint versions aswell. Like 2400 AUR for advanced and 3600 AUR for prototype. If you are really into this game you maybe gonna buy them just to get a way around the insane ISK prices that we are experience at the moment. I could even imagine vehicles payd with AUR in a special skin and as blueprint. CCP has to watch out to not inbalance the game to much with AUR items. That's pay to win, which is not what dust is about How is it pay to win when the purchased item doesn't give you any distinct advantages?
dukeEarl 9	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:49:00 - [19] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: The BPO is a short cut to avoid paying ISK but also its a one time payment of AUR, now anyone could easily drop 50quid at chrismas and go this way if they wanted to Some will stick with ISK, some will go AUR but we dont know if advanced or proto BPO will be made available Also ther is no mids/weapon BPO either at so you still need ISK or you will be buying aurum every month thta may be part of the plan in the not so distant future
Sandromin Hes Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 204	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:54:00 - [20] - Quote prototypes for AUR only if ISK ones are equally priced or so (that being considering the 5000:$20 aurum money ratio). And yes, they more than likely will have prototype BPOs. Some ISK, some AUR. Its not P2W because you still have to grind to get the skills. You just save a bit of ISK instead of losing it. And trust me, proto BPOs will be like >200million ISK or 6000 or so AUR. Depends on how CCP decides it.

crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.16 21:14:00 - [21] - Quote It should cost 1200 for just the paint job. And that paint job should work on every level suit.
Natu Nobilis 51	Posted - 2012.08.16 21:26:00 - [22] - Quote EVE players (mostly) need to do a hell lot of things to get a T2 equip. Have a t1 BPO, gather data cores (expensive), use "invention" (chance based), and then, MAYBE get a T2 BPC (that requires a lot of expensive materials to build the product). So no, no prototype bpos. You-¦ll have to earn it and make the economy spin to get those.
Jimbo Boilstaff Algintal Core Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.08.16 21:54:00 - [23] - Quote crazy space wrote: It should cost 1200 for just the paint job. And that paint job should work on every level suit. Yes please!
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.08.16 21:59:00 - [24] - Quote We will not see BPO proto suits. This seems pretty obvious if you know anything about EVE BPO and BPC's. When the player driven economy comes out we will see so many changes that discussion like this will be remembered as a joke. Instead of "getting real" people should try becoming informed.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.08.16 22:14:00 - [25] - Quote crazy space wrote: It should cost 1200 for just the paint job. And that paint job should work on every level suit. this
Etero Narciss Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 112	Posted - 2012.08.17 00:19:00 - [26] - Quote Iceyburnz wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: no prototype BPOs will be bad and takes away the consequences for a 1 time fee Hmm no. Your missing an important piece, the face that a BLue Print requires materials to build the object it is a blueprint for. We don;t have industry yet. Even though you own the blueprint doesn't mean your get x infinite amounts of the object. That and drop suits are exactly the same except for the colour. Drop suits confer no "early stats" advantage. Except that the Dragonfly BPO, as well as the other standard BPO suits do not require any materials, and presumably are not meant to. For the time being, it can be safely assumed that this is how all BPOs would go. This would be terrible. At any rate, I sincerely doubt that CCP will go for BPOs in the advanced and prototype levels. It would literally invalidate the other Aurum dropsuits they have. You know, the expendable ones that the player would have to buy again and again. Everything they've done so far is designed with the long term in mind. I doubt they'd jeopardize that for some quick bucks. Still, you never know I suppose...
Etero Narciss Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 112	Posted - 2012.08.17 00:20:00 - [27] - Quote crazy space wrote: It should cost 1200 for just the paint job. And that paint job should work on every level suit. Yes.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.17 00:30:00 - [28] - Quote proto suits that don't go away would be broken. Even if slightly weaker then isk suits, the economic advantage would let the user out spent the corps with out into bankruptcy and militia gear. Aur for permanent reskins of adv proto suits could work, permanent proto gear is game breaking with aur or isk to buy. Once player market is added people will buy aur stuff to sell for isk, so everything will be available for isk.
Jimbo Boilstaff Algintal Core Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.08.17 00:44:00 - [29] - Quote Granted I have no history with knowing CCP and Eve,,,, but if you're talking MMO's, their mechanisms and ultimate viabilities on the PS3?? Well Ive got extensive knowledge there (having had PS3 since launch).... Whilst Sony will allow cross-platform communication/trades etc,, there's no chance they'll take themselves out of the currency systems used-- its not just CCP calling the shots here (although fortunately it seems they've been given a lot more room for movement than anyone else), so lets see.... But the costs for this game will be vast,,, and thats gonna have to be brought in through the Store somehow to keep Sony interested My bets-- No superior BPO for a few months after launch,, COD crowd (of which there'll be loads, and whether you like it or not the success of this game depends upon) will pretty much demand it,,, and they'll be introduced within a year (especially so can be used as a step-up for new players)
Zcorpion Delireuz 2	Posted - 2012.08.17 00:49:00 - [30] - Quote Having high end suits BPO for aurum would hurt the ingame economy quite hard, and ccp is one off few companies that actually got ecomical advisiors (unsure if its the proper titel) working with em druing the process. Thier not about to start messing up a functioning economical enviroment like they have on eve online. Dont see it happening and really wouldnt want to see it either :/



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